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While I can understand that his method of play would be annoying, I think most of you who are thumbing your noses are missing the point of the research. The point was to study the norms and dynamics of an internet society. Don't confuse the aspect of the study the newspaper chose to report with the full study. Internet culture/society studies are generally interesting, telling, and informative, and have been done by far more than one professor. The point wasn't to show the equivalent of "caged animals bite when you poke them". It was to show "people act like X and form societies like Y because of Z in this particular subgroup".


 

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I just can't believe a college professor is this retarded and in even more disbelief that the dean of his school paid him to purposely ruin the fun of children playing a video game.

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Exactly. I thought Loyola was actually a respected school, but I can't see it as anything but a complete joke if it has professors like this. Any psychology/human behavior professional that doesn't consider this paper complete trash simply doesn't deserve to be working in the field.

A "study" based on completely obvious things, where the author flat out MAKES UP 90% of the material. Just laughable.


 

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He harassed "real people" over the internet in a "psuedo-research project" that was completely involuntary. People have filed lawsuits for less.

I'm not mad at him for conducting his "study." However it does make me raise my eyebrow and question his ethical standings when involving Unware individuals in a study. I'm also disappointed with Loyola for funding such research.

In any case study, the individuals involved MUST be consenting parties to the study in order to avoid any lawsuits from physical or mental duress. From what I understand this wasn't the case. This was an unlawful study with involuntary parties.


 

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As a student working to achieve a MS in Psychology and then ultimately, later to achieve a Ph.D in Clinical Psychiatry, I can say that these projects are quite interesting to undergo and to read the results. It is quite possible that this was his research project for a Ph.D in Sociology or some other study of group reactions and such. Most great sociology research projects are gone and often uncreative people resort to obvious things to research.

My research project will be quite... odd. Possibly needing approval from the FDA and DEA -- as well as needing several waivers and a few hundred multiple choice questions answered.


 

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Sorry for the double post.

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In any case study, the individuals involved MUST be consenting parties to the study in order to avoid any lawsuits from physical or mental duress. From what I understand this wasn't the case. This was an unlawful study with involuntary parties.

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Online this is a relative grey area as it is such a new thing. In certain cases, yes you need consent. In other cases, you do not need consent. He did not name anyone explicatively nor did he admit to any wrong-doings of his own so he should be in the clear.

Among the first things you learn when dealing with people is to always have consent. If you do not have consent, then your Ph.D, reputation, job, and money will probably be at risk. As I said before, in my case, I need approval from two federal agencies (tough ones to gain approval for) and explicit waivers and very simple termed release forums.

They go along the lines of "I, ___ agree to x. I will undergo y, z, a, c. I understand that this is for research purposes only and not for recreational purposes. I understand all of the side effects of x. I will not sue [my name], [my university], DEA, FDA, etc."

Only after they have consented to the above, they will be permissible to undergo the therapy and other experiments. I will get both written and spoken forms of consent before each session, etc. The problem with research like that is that everyone reacts differently and there is no such thing as a control for human specimen. Where some might become insane others might giggle. Where some might start crying others may feel love for everything. Some might become afraid, some might be brave.


 

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Sorry for the double post.

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In any case study, the individuals involved MUST be consenting parties to the study in order to avoid any lawsuits from physical or mental duress. From what I understand this wasn't the case. This was an unlawful study with involuntary parties.

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Online this is a relative grey area as it is such a new thing. In certain cases, yes you need consent. In other cases, you do not need consent. He did not name anyone explicatively nor did he admit to any wrong-doings of his own so he should be in the clear.

Among the first things you learn when dealing with people is to always have consent. If you do not have consent, then your Ph.D, reputation, job, and money will probably be at risk. As I said before, in my case, I need approval from two federal agencies (tough ones to gain approval for) and explicit waivers and very simple termed release forums.

They go along the lines of "I, ___ agree to x. I will undergo y, z, a, c. I understand that this is for research purposes only and not for recreational purposes. I understand all of the side effects of x. I will not sue [my name], [my university], DEA, FDA, etc."

Only after they have consented to the above, they will be permissible to undergo the therapy and other experiments. I will get both written and spoken forms of consent before each session, etc. The problem with research like that is that everyone reacts differently and there is no such thing as a control for human specimen. Where some might become insane others might giggle. Where some might start crying others may feel love for everything. Some might become afraid, some might be brave.

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Dude, if this is LSD, sign me up, k?


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Yep and boy he would whine and complain when *me* a farmer (and a hero also)* Would hit my Warburg Phase Shift when he'd run a NPC Mob up my rear end so he could try and steal my heavy to use in his NPC firing Squad tactics.

Funny since all I ever heard from him was "MOAR PHASE PLEASE" when he was attacked and he ran like a coward before his Phase wore off, because he never would fight unless he was ready, not blaming him because fighting on your own terms is a valid tactic.

It was the the way he did everything just annoyed everyone on both sides. TP Droning, intentionally trying to get debt, interupting duels, and being just plain an a**hat to everyone. I guess his annoyance experiment was a resounding success....


 

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Sorry for the double post.

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In any case study, the individuals involved MUST be consenting parties to the study in order to avoid any lawsuits from physical or mental duress. From what I understand this wasn't the case. This was an unlawful study with involuntary parties.

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Online this is a relative grey area as it is such a new thing. In certain cases, yes you need consent. In other cases, you do not need consent. He did not name anyone explicatively nor did he admit to any wrong-doings of his own so he should be in the clear.

Among the first things you learn when dealing with people is to always have consent. If you do not have consent, then your Ph.D, reputation, job, and money will probably be at risk. As I said before, in my case, I need approval from two federal agencies (tough ones to gain approval for) and explicit waivers and very simple termed release forums.

They go along the lines of "I, ___ agree to x. I will undergo y, z, a, c. I understand that this is for research purposes only and not for recreational purposes. I understand all of the side effects of x. I will not sue [my name], [my university], DEA, FDA, etc."

Only after they have consented to the above, they will be permissible to undergo the therapy and other experiments. I will get both written and spoken forms of consent before each session, etc. The problem with research like that is that everyone reacts differently and there is no such thing as a control for human specimen. Where some might become insane others might giggle. Where some might start crying others may feel love for everything. Some might become afraid, some might be brave.

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I'm in awe at the lack of professionality in this "study" if you can even call it that. I was never one of the parties that was "harassed" by this individual, I came into the game after I14 but I've heard and seen screenshots.

The entire thing just seems like an excuse for some old guy with a questionable major (Ya, I'm a duel major Computer Science elitist.) to act like an [censored] online and harass children.


 

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Sorry for the double post.

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In any case study, the individuals involved MUST be consenting parties to the study in order to avoid any lawsuits from physical or mental duress. From what I understand this wasn't the case. This was an unlawful study with involuntary parties.

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Online this is a relative grey area as it is such a new thing. In certain cases, yes you need consent. In other cases, you do not need consent. He did not name anyone explicatively nor did he admit to any wrong-doings of his own so he should be in the clear.

Among the first things you learn when dealing with people is to always have consent. If you do not have consent, then your Ph.D, reputation, job, and money will probably be at risk. As I said before, in my case, I need approval from two federal agencies (tough ones to gain approval for) and explicit waivers and very simple termed release forums.

They go along the lines of "I, ___ agree to x. I will undergo y, z, a, c. I understand that this is for research purposes only and not for recreational purposes. I understand all of the side effects of x. I will not sue [my name], [my university], DEA, FDA, etc."

Only after they have consented to the above, they will be permissible to undergo the therapy and other experiments. I will get both written and spoken forms of consent before each session, etc. The problem with research like that is that everyone reacts differently and there is no such thing as a control for human specimen. Where some might become insane others might giggle. Where some might start crying others may feel love for everything. Some might become afraid, some might be brave.

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I'm in awe at the lack of professionality in this "study" if you can even call it that. I was never one of the parties that was "harassed" by this individual, I came into the game after I14 but I've heard and seen screenshots.

The entire thing just seems like an excuse for some old guy with a questionable major (Ya, I'm a duel major Computer Science elitist.) to act like an [censored] online, harass children and GET PAID to do it.

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Fixed that for ya,Tokyo


 

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I might miss him, he was a good double AS target :S


 

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Sorry for the double post.

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In any case study, the individuals involved MUST be consenting parties to the study in order to avoid any lawsuits from physical or mental duress. From what I understand this wasn't the case. This was an unlawful study with involuntary parties.

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Online this is a relative grey area as it is such a new thing. In certain cases, yes you need consent. In other cases, you do not need consent. He did not name anyone explicatively nor did he admit to any wrong-doings of his own so he should be in the clear.

Among the first things you learn when dealing with people is to always have consent. If you do not have consent, then your Ph.D, reputation, job, and money will probably be at risk. As I said before, in my case, I need approval from two federal agencies (tough ones to gain approval for) and explicit waivers and very simple termed release forums.

They go along the lines of "I, ___ agree to x. I will undergo y, z, a, c. I understand that this is for research purposes only and not for recreational purposes. I understand all of the side effects of x. I will not sue [my name], [my university], DEA, FDA, etc."

Only after they have consented to the above, they will be permissible to undergo the therapy and other experiments. I will get both written and spoken forms of consent before each session, etc. The problem with research like that is that everyone reacts differently and there is no such thing as a control for human specimen. Where some might become insane others might giggle. Where some might start crying others may feel love for everything. Some might become afraid, some might be brave.

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I'm in awe at the lack of professionality in this "study" if you can even call it that. I was never one of the parties that was "harassed" by this individual, I came into the game after I14 but I've heard and seen screenshots.

The entire thing just seems like an excuse for some old guy with a questionable major (Ya, I'm a duel major Computer Science elitist.) to act like an [censored] online, harass children and GET PAID to do it.

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Fixed that for ya,Tokyo

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Lol, thanks. Oh and also, Leave the damn badgers alone. :P