Bot/FF is stupid powerful (Wall of text warning)
By
Bionic_Flea,
Posted on: 2009-06-22 10:17 in Masterminds
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widdershins and biff are why i set out to make the ultimate av/boss killing machine - and after many chars run through those missions i settled on a thugs/traps. although really nearly anything with /traps will work provided you can keep the poisoin gas trap cloud perma and your primary can keep a nonstop attack chain going. bots will pause...frequently.
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Do you mean that I (as a bots/traps) will need to work in all my personal attacks to take on these EBs/AVs? Or that I just can't do it alone?
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widdershins and biff are why i set out to make the ultimate av/boss killing machine - and after many chars run through those missions i settled on a thugs/traps. although really nearly anything with /traps will work provided you can keep the poisoin gas trap cloud perma and your primary can keep a nonstop attack chain going. bots will pause...frequently.
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Do you mean that I (as a bots/traps) will need to work in all my personal attacks to take on these EBs/AVs? Or that I just can't do it alone?
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you'll be fine. just toss web 'nade on auto so they cant run. they do run. you just lack the single target dmg of the bruiser so it will take longer.
because of the lack of the single target damage, you really REALLY cant let them run. web 'nade on auto and pop your patron immob whenever it's up. if they run they can regen a godly amount of health in a very short time.
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My Bots/FF has been sitting at level 25 for a couple of weeks now. I know the Assault Bot is only half a level away, but I'm used to Thugs/Poison, where if any target lasts more than 10 seconds you know it's an EB.
By comparison the time it takes my Bots to kill anything is just mind numbing.
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When you get the assault bot, the speed at which you kill things quadruples, and when you get the final upgrade, it multiplies that by ten.
So you'll be able to kill a minion or two per minute!
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Wow. I don't know if I could stand the excitement 
I think I lost faith in my Bots/FF while doing a mission against scrapyarders. The demolitionists weren't blowing my pets to bits with the ease that had sent Nightshade and her thugs fleeing to Nerva at level 26 (who cares if everything is purple - no scrapyarders!), but seeing the health bar of a Foreman actually go back up because my Bots were taking so long to take him down... that was just demoralising.
The trick to those Super Arachnids is to put up the Force bubble and stuff them into a corner. Unlike AVs, they don't resist repel. then your bots keep on blasting and dropping burn patches on him and after 15 minutes or so you'll drop him. Spamming personal attacks and vet powers also helps. You do have to keep an eye on the battle though, because sometimes the buggers will squeeze past your force bubble anyway and make a break for it.
IMHO, the most annoying part about Bots/FF is that for some reason the combo causes every single spawn to scatter. EBs and AVs tend to get stuck in the "run constantly" mode, so your bots are forever chasing them and plinking away at their health. Force Bubble solves this problem quite a bit, but it doesn't work on AVs or Ballistas. You can use your Patron Immob, but they all recharge pretty slowly and have a fairly short duration for double-stacking on EBs and AVs, and they get resisted a fair bit anyway.
The most fun is when you're on an 8 man team with another bots user, and both of your Assbots launch burn missiles at a spawn at once. The overlapping burn patches with reduce minions and lts to cinders in just a couple of seconds. It's glorious.
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I believe I have experienced the worst case of 'slow kill'...
My Bots/FF, vs Widdershins... in a tree, unable to move or attack, helpless.
I could not overcome his regen enough to defeat him.
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yep
widdershins and biff are why i set out to make the ultimate av/boss killing machine - and after many chars run through those missions i settled on a thugs/traps. although really nearly anything with /traps will work provided you can keep the poisoin gas trap cloud perma and your primary can keep a nonstop attack chain going. bots will pause...frequently.