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It's not theft, you don't own anything in the game. You pay NCsoft for the privelege of using it, and the EULA means they have the right to do whatever they want with what you make.
The in-game moderators made some mistakes. Big deal. People make mistakes, they can be rectified. Positron didn't manually delete every character, some people got caught in datamining oversights, and should be able to petition support to have it rectified.
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Proly won't get those 3 days back, or even an apology, or any kind of compensation like a free character slot to offset the ill-will generated.
Then again I have no idea how CS is handling their business so maybe they are.
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Let's not fool ourselves here, it's not about rules or ethics. It's about people leveling too fast in a MMO that, like many other games in the same genre, bases its business model on a certain number of hours needed to reach max level.
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Yes and if that is actually the case, they need to state that and implement code in the game to make it impossible to "Level to Fast" and be done with it. The whole business about moral compasses and you know it when you see it has been little more than insults.
What truly kills me is banning people so they don't burnout.
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I'm a bit confused lately due to a lot of people supporting the notion that stating the intended rate would cause people to skirt it by millimeters.
Like by implementing an xp rate limiter or at least stating it somehow equates to no longer being able to stop exploits.
All it would do is prevent exploits (when they pop up) from damaging the system to such a large extent. No one is preventing them from repairing the errors.
If they really don't want me to hit 50 in less than 25 hrs then make it so. If I start trying to achieve that via exploits putting the xp limiter in place in no way whatsoever prevents them from fixing the exploit.
xp limit =! unable to fix exploits
Posting the speed limit doesn't prevent non-street legal vehicles from being pulled over, nor does it prevent reckless drivers from being stopped either.
So what if someone skirts the xp limit by a little bit to stay under rader. If they are doing it legitimately then perfect. If they are using exploits they still have the ability to stop that.
Weird logic the devs use imo and yet so few ever bother to question it.
I dont' want an xp rate limit, but at this point it sort of seems like the much lesser of two evils.
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Yes and if that is actually the case, they need to state that and implement code in the game to make it impossible to "Level to Fast" and be done with it. The whole business about moral compasses and you know it when you see it has been little more than insults.
What truly kills me is banning people so they don't burnout.
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I'm a bit confused lately due to a lot of people supporting the notion that stating the intended rate would cause people to skirt it by millimeters.
Like by implementing an xp rate limiter or at least stating it somehow equates to no longer being able to stop exploits.
All it would do is prevent exploits (when they pop up) from damaging the system to such a large extent. No one is preventing them from repairing the errors.
If they really don't want me to hit 50 in less than 25 hrs then make it so. If I start trying to achieve that via exploits putting the xp limiter in place in no way whatsoever prevents them from fixing the exploit.
xp limit =! unable to fix exploits
Posting the speed limit doesn't prevent non-street legal vehicles from being pulled over, nor does it prevent reckless drivers from being stopped either.
So what if someone skirts the xp limit by a little bit to stay under rader. If they are doing it legitimately then perfect. If they are using exploits they still have the ability to stop that.
Weird logic the devs use imo and yet so few ever bother to question it.
I dont' want an xp rate limit, but at this point it sort of seems like the much lesser of two evils.
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OR they could fix the exploits and THEIR mistakes and not just say why fix these fast there is an xp limiter and if a player goes over that they get banned.
Damn i wish my sub wasnt paid up till sept
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Starts spamming LFF.
If he knows anyone in the game.
/t @random_pwr_lvlr, hook me up bro
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So there's a cartel providing the giant financial outlay needed to get a blaster to softcap ranged defenses with IO set bonuses?
And he doesn't "know anybody" in the game. That's the point. He's being played by somebody who can't speak or understand English and is just following a paper script.
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I want to go back to the dance analogy. Exploiting broken mechanics is like slipping someone a rooficolda. Playing it off as maximizing your play time is like saying your were maximizing your dating efforts.
Positron was mad because you gave his digital daughter a roofiecolada and then told your friends how to get her to drink it and posted pictures on the internet.
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I want to go back to the dance analogy. Exploiting broken mechanics is like slipping someone a rooficolda. Playing it off as maximizing your play time is like saying your were maximizing your dating efforts.
Positron was mad because you gave his digital daughter a roofiecolada and then told your friends how to get her to drink it and posted pictures on the internet.
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Seeing as posi was renting out his digital daughter for 15$ a month thats an interesting way of looking at it.
Its more like the players contacted positron in his felt hat, and platformed shoe glory, and had him hook them up. When it came time for Miss MA to deliver, it turned out " That ain't no woman! It's a man, man!"
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I laughed about bannings because I believed Positron was blowing smoke.
Then I heard about a character lock. I laughed about that, assuming everyone that got a character locked/deleted would be able to laugh it off as easy come/easy go.
And then I started hearing about reports of folks getting both. Not just a small handful of people here or there, but large numbers of people. Apparently some who shouldn't have been tagged.
The laughter became a chuckle. That nervous chuckle of a man realizing that his favorite dev team had fallen off into the deep end.
And then one of my longest term running buddies sends me a tell explaining that he'd been banned for the last 3 days and had a character deleted. He then informed me this was the final straw for him and his sub was already canceled. He won't be back, and I can't blame him.
If it had just been a character deletion, he probably would have laughed it off.
I told him I understood why he was pissed. I understood why I would be pissed were I banned from logging in for any period of time.
It's called theft. We pay for the service in advance. When you're banned from logging in, the money used for that time period is theft. You're not locked out for maintenance. You're not locked out for throwing around racial slurs.
You're locked out because you leveled too fast.
The bannings should not have happened. I will miss running around in game with my friend. He's a good person. His wife played for several years as well. He wouldn't be in my ever decreasing circle of in game running buddies if he wasn't.
Oh well... just another 4-5 year vet gone.
As Statesman said, "It's an MMO, people come and people go."
It's too bad that the devs decided to help speed up that going process.
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I would not call it theft, as PlayNC always reserved the right to stop the service they provide, either temporarily or permanently, with no explanation or prior warning, so that's actually part of the rules of the service. What I WILL call it, however, is extremely bad business. I honestly expected this to be more a threat than a policy of action, as I see no point in fixing the farms AND locking characters who can't participate in them any more any way, and especially temp-banning people for it. So I'm going to agree. It's an incredibly bad choice to do that.
I still maintain that what can constitute an "offence" is fairly obvious, however, though I also maintain that, of the things left that can be used, very, very little actually fits those terms. With the Comm Officer farms gone and no-ranged enemies no longer existing, what is there left to be banned for? I'd say not much, but if anyone DOES get banned for something stupid, do let us know. Really, what's left in the Architect, at least from what I know, is no worse than what can be done in regular missions.
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I never said that it wasn't legal theft. I never stated that they didn't have the right to steal from us. I'm just calling a rose a rose.
Lisar, your analogy sucks. No one was getting [censored] by folks speedleveling with the MA. At most they were using all the cocaine that Positron and company had left lined up on the tables with a sign on the door saying, "Don't snort all the coke."
Be well, people of CoH.
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Let me put it this way - I wouldn't call it theft in ANY sense or context of the word. That doesn't mean I agree with it (I don't), but I'd rather call it a mistake, which it obviously is, without going further and into challengeable territory.
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I never said that it wasn't legal theft. I never stated that they didn't have the right to steal from us. I'm just calling a rose a rose.
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Let me put it this way - I wouldn't call it theft in ANY sense or context of the word. That doesn't mean I agree with it (I don't), but I'd rather call it a mistake, which it obviously is, without going further and into challengeable territory.
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Let's not fool ourselves here, it's not about rules or ethics. It's about people leveling too fast in a MMO that, like many other games in the same genre, bases its business model on a certain number of hours needed to reach max level.
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Yes and if that is actually the case, they need to state that and implement code in the game to make it impossible to "Level to Fast" and be done with it. The whole business about moral compasses and you know it when you see it has been little more than insults.
What truly kills me is banning people so they don't burnout.
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I'm a bit confused lately due to a lot of people supporting the notion that stating the intended rate would cause people to skirt it by millimeters.
Like by implementing an xp rate limiter or at least stating it somehow equates to no longer being able to stop exploits.
All it would do is prevent exploits (when they pop up) from damaging the system to such a large extent. No one is preventing them from repairing the errors.
If they really don't want me to hit 50 in less than 25 hrs then make it so. If I start trying to achieve that via exploits putting the xp limiter in place in no way whatsoever prevents them from fixing the exploit.
xp limit =! unable to fix exploits
Posting the speed limit doesn't prevent non-street legal vehicles from being pulled over, nor does it prevent reckless drivers from being stopped either.
So what if someone skirts the xp limit by a little bit to stay under rader. If they are doing it legitimately then perfect. If they are using exploits they still have the ability to stop that.
Weird logic the devs use imo and yet so few ever bother to question it.
I dont' want an xp rate limit, but at this point it sort of seems like the much lesser of two evils.
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OR they could fix the exploits and THEIR mistakes and not just say why fix these fast there is an xp limiter and if a player goes over that they get banned.
Damn i wish my sub wasnt paid up till sept
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About as good a chance of that happening as me getting diarrhea and crapping out liquid gold.
If they are still banning people over that, then I must say I agree rather completely.
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So, basically, the only way you seem to have fun is to try and push the rewards of the game to the limit.
Apparently you are not alone.
It seems many of the players that feel this way also have no ability to police themselves to not break the intended system. Seen that for years in gaming, I get it.
These same players don't like the actions taken to stop said behavior.
Like you, many of them are determined like some sort of 60s sit-in protest, if they keep making noise, it will change something.
Did I miss anything?
Now, my rebuttal.
Get over yourselves. You don't run the game, you have to abide by whatever those that do see fit to impart to the players. If that is not fun for you, then stop playing.
If you don't want to stop playing, then find another form of fun within the game, because pushing the numbers to the limit is simply not what those who run the game intend to be the center of it's draw.
For those of you that cannot grasp this, I really no of no other way to explain it.
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This ^^
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Shure Shot - 50 Arch/NRG/MM Blaster
Silent Shadow Blade - 50 Katana/SR/BM Scrapper
Uphir - 50 Fire/Fire/Fire Blaster
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I laughed about bannings because I believed Positron was blowing smoke.
Then I heard about a character lock. I laughed about that, assuming everyone that got a character locked/deleted would be able to laugh it off as easy come/easy go.
And then I started hearing about reports of folks getting both. Not just a small handful of people here or there, but large numbers of people. Apparently some who shouldn't have been tagged.
The laughter became a chuckle. That nervous chuckle of a man realizing that his favorite dev team had fallen off into the deep end.
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Don't believe everything you hear. You do realize that people lie for the sake of lying. They make crap up just to get attention...especially during such events as this. "Look at me, I got banned for doing nothing!". All they are doing is stirring up drama. Most of what people claim has happened, has happened to their friend or the friend of friend. What these people are saying has to be taken with a grain of salt.
~ Infinity Heroes ~
Dark Voltage - 50 NRG/NRG/EM Blaster
Shure Shot - 50 Arch/NRG/MM Blaster
Silent Shadow Blade - 50 Katana/SR/BM Scrapper
Uphir - 50 Fire/Fire/Fire Blaster
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The second you state where the line between 'exploit' and 'fine' is, people will dance on that line and work ever harder on maximizing their rewards as much as possible while stating that you told them it was fine the entire time.
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Why is this a problem? Do they have speed limits on the roads where you live? Do people drive right up to those limits? Is this a problem? If so, do you believe the solution to that problem is removing speed limits from all the roads?
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The line's blurry specifically to catch people trying to play at the edge, because those people are more likely to actually exploit.
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Why is this better than specifying a limit and then not having to ban anyone? Specify the harm that is done by someone performing AT the specified limit in such a way that the problem is not, in fact, with WHERE the limit has been set or how it has been implemented.
If you can.
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I want to go back to the dance analogy. Exploiting broken mechanics is like slipping someone a rooficolda. Playing it off as maximizing your play time is like saying your were maximizing your dating efforts.
Positron was mad because you gave his digital daughter a roofiecolada and then told your friends how to get her to drink it and posted pictures on the internet.
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Seeing as posi was renting out his digital daughter for 15$ a month thats an interesting way of looking at it.
Its more like the players contacted positron in his felt hat, and platformed shoe glory, and had him hook them up. When it came time for Miss MA to deliver, it turned out " That ain't no woman! It's a man, man!"
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Next you'll be saying he made you play the game because he gave you a good deal.
~ Infinity Heroes ~
Dark Voltage - 50 NRG/NRG/EM Blaster
Shure Shot - 50 Arch/NRG/MM Blaster
Silent Shadow Blade - 50 Katana/SR/BM Scrapper
Uphir - 50 Fire/Fire/Fire Blaster
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I laughed about bannings because I believed Positron was blowing smoke.
Then I heard about a character lock. I laughed about that, assuming everyone that got a character locked/deleted would be able to laugh it off as easy come/easy go.
And then I started hearing about reports of folks getting both. Not just a small handful of people here or there, but large numbers of people. Apparently some who shouldn't have been tagged.
The laughter became a chuckle. That nervous chuckle of a man realizing that his favorite dev team had fallen off into the deep end.
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Don't believe everything you hear. You do realize that people lie for the sake of lying. They make crap up just to get attention...especially during such events as this. "Look at me, I got banned for doing nothing!". All they are doing is stirring up drama. Most of what people claim has happened, has happened to their friend or the friend of friend. What these people are saying has to be taken with a grain of salt.
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Worthless people lie. I don't. Neither do people I befriend. My friend has no reason to lie to me, but he's also not innocent and I never stated he was.
There's another group of worthless people out there. Those that call honest people liars.
Be well, people of CoH.
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The second you state where the line between 'exploit' and 'fine' is, people will dance on that line and work ever harder on maximizing their rewards as much as possible while stating that you told them it was fine the entire time.
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Why is this a problem? Do they have speed limits on the roads where you live? Do people drive right up to those limits? Is this a problem? If so, do you believe the solution to that problem is removing speed limits from all the roads?
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The line's blurry specifically to catch people trying to play at the edge, because those people are more likely to actually exploit.
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Why is this better than specifying a limit and then not having to ban anyone? Specify the harm that is done by someone performing AT the specified limit in such a way that the problem is not, in fact, with WHERE the limit has been set or how it has been implemented.
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This.
In every realm of society where "abuse leads to punishment", limits are posted on what is acceptable. Speed limits, white lines at intersections to show where to stop, red lights, rules about where you can change lanes, etc. The reason for these things is so that everyone operates in a certain body of rules. If someone is outside that body, the police can issue the appropriate punishment and, barring improper action by the police, the person has no leg to stand on because they broke an already established rule.
When I-14 was released, people were told it was not intended for farming. I farmed badges in it. I know hundreds of people who did the same. This resulted in the Devs removing the badges that required farming. Meanwhile, those that farmed XP were banned, had characters deleted, yadda yadda yadda. Why did the Devs adjust their own development to not force the badge farmers to farm while not banning a single one? How about ticket farmers (there were lots of those too)? Why did they ban XP farmers for breaking the same rule, which was that the MA system wasn't intended for farming?
If you were pulled over for by a cop and given a speeding ticket for an unposted, secret speed limit where there was only a sign that said, "This road not intended for driving fast," would you be upset? What speed would you have to be going to fall into the "common sense" category? How about if no white line was present at an intersection, a cop was sitting at the intersection, saw where you stopped, didn't write you a ticket, didn't respond when you asked him if you were stopped okay, and then pulled you over a mile down the road because you stopped too far into the intersection? This would be the equivalent to having people mention the issue in Test, no one responding to the issue while it was in Test, having no one address the issue when it went Live, not labeling it an exploit at all, then banning people after finally announcing that it was actually an exploit.
The common sense argument holds no water because how do I know where your white line would be and where the cop's would be? The argument that drawing a line will only cause people to go right up to that line holds no water because that's the exact point of such a line. Then, if people go over it, they don't have an ability to argue because they went over a pre-established limit. Now, if people go over it, they can argue logically against the Devs' decision because there is no established limit that we have been notified of. Those who fall back on the EULA are assuming a EULA is actually legal. Like cell phone contracts, EULAs have already had problems in court. Just because we all agree to it by playing doesn't mean it's necessarily legal. Having a secret limit is something that may inspire someone to challenge that very EULA.
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I want to go back to the dance analogy. Exploiting broken mechanics is like slipping someone a rooficolda. Playing it off as maximizing your play time is like saying your were maximizing your dating efforts.
Positron was mad because you gave his digital daughter a roofiecolada and then told your friends how to get her to drink it and posted pictures on the internet.
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Seeing as posi was renting out his digital daughter for 15$ a month thats an interesting way of looking at it.
Its more like the players contacted positron in his felt hat, and platformed shoe glory, and had him hook them up. When it came time for Miss MA to deliver, it turned out " That ain't no woman! It's a man, man!"
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Next you'll be saying he made you play the game because he gave you a good deal.
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What I was saying that comparing using the MA to [censored] someones child is garbage.
I notice that you have contributed nothing to this conversation but ATTABOYS.
If you have something to contribute please do so. Or is it that you just object to knowing what the rules are ?
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I laughed about bannings because I believed Positron was blowing smoke.
Then I heard about a character lock. I laughed about that, assuming everyone that got a character locked/deleted would be able to laugh it off as easy come/easy go.
And then I started hearing about reports of folks getting both. Not just a small handful of people here or there, but large numbers of people. Apparently some who shouldn't have been tagged.
The laughter became a chuckle. That nervous chuckle of a man realizing that his favorite dev team had fallen off into the deep end.
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Don't believe everything you hear. You do realize that people lie for the sake of lying. They make crap up just to get attention...especially during such events as this. "Look at me, I got banned for doing nothing!". All they are doing is stirring up drama. Most of what people claim has happened, has happened to their friend or the friend of friend. What these people are saying has to be taken with a grain of salt.
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Worthless people lie. I don't. Neither do people I befriend. My friend has no reason to lie to me, but he's also not innocent and I never stated he was.
There's another group of worthless people out there. Those that call honest people liars.
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So basically, I'm worthless because I demand proof? I'm sure it sucks for your friend to have gotten banned, but did it ever occur to you to ask him what he was doing that would have gotten him banned instead of immediately assuming he did nothing wrong?
~ Infinity Heroes ~
Dark Voltage - 50 NRG/NRG/EM Blaster
Shure Shot - 50 Arch/NRG/MM Blaster
Silent Shadow Blade - 50 Katana/SR/BM Scrapper
Uphir - 50 Fire/Fire/Fire Blaster
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I laughed about bannings because I believed Positron was blowing smoke.
Then I heard about a character lock. I laughed about that, assuming everyone that got a character locked/deleted would be able to laugh it off as easy come/easy go.
And then I started hearing about reports of folks getting both. Not just a small handful of people here or there, but large numbers of people. Apparently some who shouldn't have been tagged.
The laughter became a chuckle. That nervous chuckle of a man realizing that his favorite dev team had fallen off into the deep end.
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Don't believe everything you hear. You do realize that people lie for the sake of lying. They make crap up just to get attention...especially during such events as this. "Look at me, I got banned for doing nothing!". All they are doing is stirring up drama. Most of what people claim has happened, has happened to their friend or the friend of friend. What these people are saying has to be taken with a grain of salt.
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Worthless people lie. I don't. Neither do people I befriend. My friend has no reason to lie to me, but he's also not innocent and I never stated he was.
There's another group of worthless people out there. Those that call honest people liars.
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So basically, I'm worthless because I demand proof? I'm sure it sucks for your friend to have gotten banned, but did it ever occur to you to ask him what he was doing that would have gotten him banned instead of immediately assuming he did nothing wrong?
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Your reading comprehension sucks. He knows why he got banned. I know why he got banned. I already stated he wasn't innocent. So, yes, you're worthless for calling two honest people liars and then doubly so for not bothering to properly read posts that you're responding to before opening your mouth and proving yourself to be a fool.
For the record, I'm not at all against characters being deleted that were powerleveled to 50 using some "egregious exploit." I applaud it and find it hilarious. It's the banning I find to be total [censored].
Be well, people of CoH.
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I laughed about bannings because I believed Positron was blowing smoke.
Then I heard about a character lock. I laughed about that, assuming everyone that got a character locked/deleted would be able to laugh it off as easy come/easy go.
And then I started hearing about reports of folks getting both. Not just a small handful of people here or there, but large numbers of people. Apparently some who shouldn't have been tagged.
The laughter became a chuckle. That nervous chuckle of a man realizing that his favorite dev team had fallen off into the deep end.
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Don't believe everything you hear. You do realize that people lie for the sake of lying. They make crap up just to get attention...especially during such events as this. "Look at me, I got banned for doing nothing!". All they are doing is stirring up drama. Most of what people claim has happened, has happened to their friend or the friend of friend. What these people are saying has to be taken with a grain of salt.
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Worthless people lie. I don't. Neither do people I befriend. My friend has no reason to lie to me, but he's also not innocent and I never stated he was.
There's another group of worthless people out there. Those that call honest people liars.
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So basically, I'm worthless because I demand proof? I'm sure it sucks for your friend to have gotten banned, but did it ever occur to you to ask him what he was doing that would have gotten him banned instead of immediately assuming he did nothing wrong?
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Your reading comprehension sucks. He knows why he got banned. I know why he got banned. I already stated he wasn't innocent. So, yes, you're worthless for calling two honest people liars and then doubly so for not bothering to properly read posts that you're responding to before opening your mouth and proving yourself to be a fool.
For the record, I'm not at all against characters being deleted that were powerleveled to 50 using some "egregious exploit." I applaud it and find it hilarious. It's the banning I find to be total [censored].
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First off, I'm not worthless. I have a right to claim BS just as you do or the next guy. I did, however, misread what you said. When you said he wasn't innocent, I thought you meant, in general, not towards the issue at hand...why I don't know, but I did. Probably because of the string of posts from people claiming that they did nothing wrong and they had characters deleted or accounts banned. I apologize and was not trying to be a dick.
As for people getting banned...meh.
~ Infinity Heroes ~
Dark Voltage - 50 NRG/NRG/EM Blaster
Shure Shot - 50 Arch/NRG/MM Blaster
Silent Shadow Blade - 50 Katana/SR/BM Scrapper
Uphir - 50 Fire/Fire/Fire Blaster
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[u]The second you state where the line between 'exploit' and 'fine' is, people will dance on that line and work ever harder on maximizing their rewards as much as possible while stating that you told them it was fine the entire time. [u]It's endorsing it to a certain point, and that's just as bad if not worse then not being clear where the line really is.
The line's blurry specifically to catch people trying to play at the edge, because those people are more likely to actually exploit. People that get their accidentally may get caught in the crossfire, but it's an inevitability in any situation, even when the line is clearly defined. Because some people would get just a little over there unknowingly.
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Do you think any of the following actions are wrong:
1) Going 64 mph in a 65 mph zone?
2) Purchasing 4 discounted sodas on a 25 cent super-sale with a limit of 4?
3) Bring in one bottle of liquor duty-free where bringing in more than one subjects you to the custom duty?
Personally, I don't see a problem with someone following a rule to the letter. That's why you set guidelines at a place where you feel comfortable. I really do see your point, but then that's the devs being cowardly. The reason they don't want to give clear guidelines is for the reasons you state, but also because they don't want to later have to amend their guidelines if people skirt right up to the line too often.
I get that. However, that's not a good enough reason not to have clear guidelines. That's a good reason to set conservative and reasonable guideline and give people lots of notice in advance. It's strange to see people arguing for such a plainly unjust practice.
In the compliance and governance realms, setting clear guidelines is often the first step in creating an effective system.
*edited to remove a few repetitive "But then," phrases.
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
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It's not theft, you don't own anything in the game. You pay NCsoft for the privelege of using it, and the EULA means they have the right to do whatever they want with what you make.
The in-game moderators made some mistakes. Big deal. People make mistakes, they can be rectified. Positron didn't manually delete every character, some people got caught in datamining oversights, and should be able to petition support to have it rectified.
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Proly won't get those 3 days back, or even an apology, or any kind of compensation like a free character slot to offset the ill-will generated.
Then again I have no idea how CS is handling their business so maybe they are.