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He does? Really? That's funny, I never noticed that. Then again I'm usually Eluding when I fight him, and have nearly every hero you rescue during the oraboras arc based on the comics wailing on him... I always thought the biggest hurdle was the bane spiders he summons repeatedly.
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In no way to pick on you, most of the folks around here don't really consider bringing in all the helper characters to be "soloing" him.
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Their not there to help me kill him, their there to keep the banes he create (damn their OPed accuacy and tohit) from killing me through elude. Most of them are dead long before I take out Recluse usually.
And hey, if I went into the mission solo then I 'soloed' him. So I recruited the freedom philanx and vindicators to help me. That's what heroes do when out classed, they call in a city's worth of backup.
O.o I forgot to log in with my main account instead of trial one... FaerieKnight79 is an alt account I set up.
"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton
Madam Enigma's History
are you using Elude? If you are I don't believe at all.
Soft Capped Def>Elude
They are the same thing but with One thing Soft Capped Def doesn't have a crash.
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time"- Chesty Puller US Marine Corps
Believe it, I tried fighting him first, I hit elude, charged in... And while Recluse couldn't hit me, his banes he summoned could and did... And they kept Stealth Striking me to boot. After banging my head against them for a half hour, I got me some super powered npc help.
And your right, soft capped defense doesn't have a crash. It does have a huge inf cost in expensive IOs, and having to go into the fighting pool or leadership pool for more defense. My main isn't fully IOed with sets yet. Why not? Because unlike what people think a 50 is capable of doing, I can't afford them all. I'm constantly broke getting one IO at a time. That, and those super expensive pieces of salvage.
"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton
Madam Enigma's History
Here is why I don't believe you. Elude Only last 2 min if you hit elude and charged in it would take you more then 2 mins to get LR down the that point were he would summoned his bane, if he was a AV. If he was a EB yes you could get him down that fast. EB and AV or not the same thing. If you look at Powerforge video LR is not even close to being dead at 2 min when your Elude would crash. You will also see that he summoned his Bane 12:23 mins into the fight, again 10 +min after your elude would crash.
Also I can make a soft capped /SR scrapper with just 1 IO and it will only cost me 10 mil. If I would to use more then I could make a soft capped /SR scrapper of under 30 mill. You don't need to get the best IO to have a good build.
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time"- Chesty Puller US Marine Corps
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Believe it, I tried fighting him first, I hit elude, charged in... And while Recluse couldn't hit me, his banes he summoned could and did... And they kept Stealth Striking me to boot. After banging my head against them for a half hour, I got me some super powered npc help.
And your right, soft capped defense doesn't have a crash. It does have a huge inf cost in expensive IOs, and having to go into the fighting pool or leadership pool for more defense. My main isn't fully IOed with sets yet. Why not? Because unlike what people think a 50 is capable of doing, I can't afford them all. I'm constantly broke getting one IO at a time. That, and those super expensive pieces of salvage.
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if you get weave it really isnt that expensive to softcap an sr scrapper or brute. coupld touch of death, couple mako's. or maybe two sets of zephyr's. or a zephyr's set and a steadfast. or if you are really rich and dont want to totally rearrange everything, a steadfast and the pvp +3% def in tough and you like --> <---- that far from the cap
expensive is building shields to cap as they have a far lower defense value in general even with weave.
bane spiders have +tohit i believe as does their stealth strike. i couldnt imagine going sr or shields as a non-dm without taking aid self
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Minor correction - it lasts 3 minutes. Your point about not being able to kill AV Recluse within that time frame is still valid, though.
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Elude Only last 2 min
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Minor correction - it lasts 3 minutes. Your point about not being able to kill AV Recluse within that time frame is still valid, though.
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Thanks Sarrate, haven't use the power in so long forgot how long it lasted 
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time"- Chesty Puller US Marine Corps
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It might be a first, but I disagree with you, Werner.
Aid Self costs an additional pool and one power pick over Siphon Life. It means tradeoffs. You have to lose one between Fitness, Jumping/Flying, Fighting and Speed.
The animation is so long it heals less than Siphon Life over time even if you were to spam it, and that's assuming you never get interrupted - it happens to me a lot, especially if I use additional mobs to fuel Invinc. Spamming Aid Self also decreases DPS, and breaks combos for DB. So not only you get lower DPS because you're not DM, but your lower DPS falls further behind if you have to heal at all.
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Yeah, I know Aid Self means trade offs. On top of how much I HATE Aid Self, it made choosing Dark Melee easy for me. I think it's one of the three best picks for a big game hunter, and the top pick for the more defensive secondaries.
But big game hunting =/= the game at large.
For how you and I play, single target DPS is a huge factor. I don't think it's such a huge factor in the game at large.
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Me either. But we're, uh... not normal.
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I'm not saying DM is overpowered overall
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Exactly. See? We agree. 
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
Videos of Other Stupid Scrapper Tricks
Gonna say it again...
DM is just so over rated...
speaking of which... How about those Cavs... 
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And your right, soft capped defense doesn't have a crash. It does have a huge inf cost in expensive IOs, and having to go into the fighting pool or leadership pool for more defense. My main isn't fully IOed with sets yet. Why not? Because unlike what people think a 50 is capable of doing, I can't afford them all. I'm constantly broke getting one IO at a time. That, and those super expensive pieces of salvage.
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Soft capping SR != expensive. I've done it 3 times on characters that were holdovers from issue 7/8 that started with probably 10M between the three of them. I have farmed/marketed so they had more than that eventually, but I don't think it's unreasonable to be able to soft cap a character for about 30M total.
Red Fortune are pretty cheap except for the defense and def/end pieces. I've bought the other pieces for as low as 1000 inf each.
Gaussians 6 slotted is pretty cheap too, especially if you go for some really low level recipes. What you care about is the +2.5% def.
Steadfast Res/Def - low level ones are surprisingly cheap and since you really don't need it for the resistance, it works just fine.
Mako's Bite and Touch of Death have both become rather affordable since people have been going for Bronze rolls and have churned out recipes of these sets by the legion. Smart bidding will get you them cheap, and you can use MA tickets to buy those expensive pieces of salvage you need to craft them.
Multi-strike work pretty well in place of the much more expensive Obliteration pieces. Sure, it doesn't provide as much but it's decent enough until you can afford better.
Only Zephyr's are expensive and you can soft cap without them as a SR.
I'm not posting this to be snarky or look down on you. I just think you ought to re-look at your options. With MA, there hasn't been a better or easier time to grab what you need to make your SR character better for cheap.
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Here is why I don't believe you. Elude Only last 2 min if you hit elude and charged in it would take you more then 2 mins to get LR down the that point were he would summoned his bane, if he was a AV. If he was a EB yes you could get him down that fast. EB and AV or not the same thing. If you look at Powerforge video LR is not even close to being dead at 2 min when your Elude would crash. You will also see that he summoned his Bane 12:23 mins into the fight, again 10 +min after your elude would crash.
Also I can make a soft capped /SR scrapper with just 1 IO and it will only cost me 10 mil. If I would to use more then I could make a soft capped /SR scrapper of under 30 mill. You don't need to get the best IO to have a good build.
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I'm not stupid enough to think I can take on an AV solo. Some EBs give me trouble enough. Heck, I still haven't finished one of the Oraboras arcs.
"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton
Madam Enigma's History
First of all, I don't play Madam Enigma often anymore, not since she hit 50. I log in once in a while to run a story arc or if someone wants help with a GM. Maybe run a task force. As such I'm not swimming in influence.
Second of all, I took all of my secondary, and all but confront from claws. So I don't have the slots in most powers to devote to 5 or 6 enhancement sets. I have to go for the 4 enhancement sets more often, and that means losing defense if doing so for my secondary. If you read the claw/sr guide I posted as Poison Bloom you might get an idea of how I'm slotted.
Third, soft capping defense is not THE best way to go. Sure it's possible, but requires making sacrifices I'd rather not make. I already sacrificed having a travel power to get my all attacks/defenses. To make up for this I took and slotted swift. I was getting it anyway to get stamina. My character concept requires laser vision, so body mastery is also a must. That means I only have 1 power choice that's really optional. That power choice currently is hurdle.
Expense isn't always just influence. Sometimes it's the expense of having to cut things that make the character fun to play too. To me 24/7 godmode isn't fun. Having the risk (even if slim) of being taken out is fun. Right now Madam Enigma is almost unstoppable in missions. That too is why I don't play the character often. There's no challenge anymore really.
"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton
Madam Enigma's History
well ih ave no personal experience with claws, so i couldnt even begin to broach this in mids with a claws.
but i did just make a softcapped dm/sr in mids without evenputting all the slots in, only 4 total io sets and one unique io. this is prob a sub 200 million build (admittedly i have no idea how much the steadfast unique or zephyr sets cost blue side though)
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49% melee, 48% ranged, 48% aoe. and it gives up nothing in terms of offense.
doesnt seem all that hard nor expensive. you can make 20-30m an hour just selling recipes you got from farming tickets. sometimes.
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He does? Really? That's funny, I never noticed that. Then again I'm usually Eluding when I fight him, and have nearly every hero you rescue during the oraboras arc based on the comics wailing on him... I always thought the biggest hurdle was the bane spiders he summons repeatedly.
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In no way to pick on you, most of the folks around here don't really consider bringing in all the helper characters to be "soloing" him.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA