So is it possible??
bots/traps has been known to solo quite a few. I hear provoke, a taunt from the presence pool, is quite useful in this, because it keeps all the damage on u, which is then evenly mitigated to your bots, so that they are much less likely to get one shotted.
well, would it be possible to solo an av with necro/pain domination??
Jordon Justice
Don't know about Necro/Pain, but my Thugs/Poison has taken her fair share down. And provoke helps keep the attention on you for bodyguard mode. On my second built I took the fighting pool to get tough and weave, and I was really surprised about how much it helped. Weave, tough, manuevers, and the patron shield really helped give me more survivability.
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Really good players with ultra-high end IO builds have soled just about every AV and Hero in the game with Bots / Traps. They've also soloed some Giant Monsters and the ITF. Even low-end builds (including SO only builds) can solo at least some AVs, and moderate IO slotting lets you solo quite a few.
I'm sure there are AVs that Necro / Pain can solo, but since I've not really played either of those sets much I'm not sure which ones. I'd assume that since Necro is a primarily melee set you'd have real trouble with AVs that have powerful PBAoEs or melee heals, but the ones with more of a ranged focus are probably doable assuming you can keep your pets alive.
If you want an easy test, fight an Elite Boss while using Bodyguard. If you end the fight with both you and the pets in good shape, you're probably tough enough to try an AV. If anyone is badly hurt, or you lose a pet, you probably don't have the staying power to go the distance with an AV... though a high-recharge build might be able to replace the zombies fast enough. Assuming you are tough enough, you just need enough damage to take the AV down... and the only way to know if you have that is to try it and see.
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One point you'll have a hard time on fighting AVs as a mastermind is if you lack +tohit or significant -def (absurdly significant to overcome the inherent debuff resistance) and you're fighting crazy defense AVs like Mynx and at times Mako.
I stood toe-to-toe with Mynx for a long time getting nowhere at all considering she was +3 to me to begin with, leaving the pajama squad at -5 and -4 to her.
I solo'd different AVs with a Bots/poison and Thugs/dark with varying degrees of success. I was most proud of soloing Ms. Liberty with my Thugs/dark despite her evil hax purple triangles of doom. I think the one mission where you have a Wailer King boss and a Carnie Ringmistress in a negotiation was as tough as an AV mission.
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i solo'd every av every story arch gave me on the way to 50 as both a necro/dark and a thugs/traps and did it without io's.
some mm builds need io's. most do not. all you really need is some -regen, some defense or overwhelming amounts of healing and -tohit debuffs.
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i solo'd every av every story arch gave me on the way to 50 as both a necro/dark and a thugs/traps and did it without io's.
some mm builds need io's. most do not. all you really need is some -regen, some defense or overwhelming amounts of healing and -tohit debuffs.
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so does that exclude pain dom?
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i solo'd every av every story arch gave me on the way to 50 as both a necro/dark and a thugs/traps and did it without io's.
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You dont happen to remember if there were any AVs with no AOEs do you ? And what the easiest one you faced was ?
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i solo'd every av every story arch gave me on the way to 50 as both a necro/dark and a thugs/traps and did it without io's.
some mm builds need io's. most do not. all you really need is some -regen, some defense or overwhelming amounts of healing and -tohit debuffs.
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so does that exclude pain dom?
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i dont consider pain or storm as viable as traps or dark. your debuffs cant be made perma, and just being able to heal alone isnt enough. you also need someway of increasing your pets survivability whether it's from massive amounts of -hit or -dmg or -recharge you can keep up permanently, or some form of shielding for the pets to keep them alive.
an ideal av solo situation is having to replace the minimum number of pets. the more end spent on replacing pets and rebuffing them is end not spent using your secondary to debuff the av or buff your pets.
of the two - the thugs/traps had the easiest time killing positron as a +2 av. of the two, the necro/dark had the easiest time dealing with biff and widdershins regen as +2 EB's. of course once i got io's in the thugs/traps and could make the -regen in poison trap permanent that was no longer the case.
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i solo'd every av every story arch gave me on the way to 50 as both a necro/dark and a thugs/traps and did it without io's.
some mm builds need io's. most do not. all you really need is some -regen, some defense or overwhelming amounts of healing and -tohit debuffs.
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so does that exclude pain dom?
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i dont consider pain or storm as viable as traps or dark. your debuffs cant be made perma, and just being able to heal alone isnt enough. you also need someway of increasing your pets survivability whether it's from massive amounts of -hit or -dmg or -recharge you can keep up permanently, or some form of shielding for the pets to keep them alive.
an ideal av solo situation is having to replace the minimum number of pets. the more end spent on replacing pets and rebuffing them is end not spent using your secondary to debuff the av or buff your pets.
of the two - the thugs/traps had the easiest time killing positron as a +2 av. of the two, the necro/dark had the easiest time dealing with biff and widdershins regen as +2 EB's. of course once i got io's in the thugs/traps and could make the -regen in poison trap permanent that was no longer the case.
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what about the buffs to your pets available to say mercs/pain? Like Painbringer and World of Pain? Could those buffs make up for the lack of DEbuffs?
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i solo'd every av every story arch gave me on the way to 50 as both a necro/dark and a thugs/traps and did it without io's.
some mm builds need io's. most do not. all you really need is some -regen, some defense or overwhelming amounts of healing and -tohit debuffs.
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so does that exclude pain dom?
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i dont consider pain or storm as viable as traps or dark. your debuffs cant be made perma, and just being able to heal alone isnt enough. you also need someway of increasing your pets survivability whether it's from massive amounts of -hit or -dmg or -recharge you can keep up permanently, or some form of shielding for the pets to keep them alive.
an ideal av solo situation is having to replace the minimum number of pets. the more end spent on replacing pets and rebuffing them is end not spent using your secondary to debuff the av or buff your pets.
of the two - the thugs/traps had the easiest time killing positron as a +2 av. of the two, the necro/dark had the easiest time dealing with biff and widdershins regen as +2 EB's. of course once i got io's in the thugs/traps and could make the -regen in poison trap permanent that was no longer the case.
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what about the buffs to your pets available to say mercs/pain? Like Painbringer and World of Pain? Could those buffs make up for the lack of DEbuffs?
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can you make them perma? av fights are not exactly short.
i have a 42 bots/pain and using that one fortitude-copy power seems to bug out my assault bot (and you cant modify pet recharge in any form)
just to clarify, you arent going to find a better av killing build than this thugs/traps
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to bottom line the above:
bruiser is at the defense cap
bruiser has 40% smash/lethal resists
secondary has perma:
-5000 regen
-20% defense (20 seconds stacked -40% defense)
-20% resistance (20 seconds stacked -40% resistance)
+300% regen for all pets
-50% recharge which can stack quite a bit (web grenade)
-fly, run, jump
status prot against hold/stun/immob
-20% dmg (drones)
of course all that is modified by av resists, but you get the picture
i've got a few mm's at 50, and the above combination is the most lethal and most survivable for dealingl with av's - even positron and his annoying -def -regen -recharge rad attacks.
pretty sweet. Though i might have to go with Mercs myself... I can not stand how the thugs look. (now if I could dress them up as mobsters... that would be a different story)
have you used /traps in pvp?
Im intersested in knowing what are some combinations in masterminds that can solo avs and some strategies used with those combos please?
Jordon Justice