Lost my Job, Now I lost My Base, Thanks Support(?)
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Ad Astra,
Posted on: 2009-05-12 11:08 in Base Construction
Forbin...your sarcasm seems out of line.
I would like to know how one roster spot, out of 150 of them, prevents an sg from remaining active? So long as permissions are granted to level 5 leaders, giving the super leader 6 months is not a big deal at all.
What this really comes down to is this...a founder starts the sg/vg...a founder builds that sg/vg based on his vision. And in most cases, a Founder does MOST of the work to build that sg/vg.
What you are proposing is that people be allowed to come in after all the work is done and yank it from under him/her?
If those people want an active sg/vg to run...start their own.
COMMENT: By the Founder doing most of the work, I'm not strictly talking about Prestige gain. I'm talking about runing the group.
I started my Supergroup because I was in a mostly inactive one. In no time at all it was up and running and had the essentials.
Later I switched servers and started another one...and shut the old on down (I still have it on Champion though; I'm the only member).
The newer one on Freedom is now number 19, and although I have had help along the way, I have always been the driving force in the group. The other leaders come and go. Old leaders leave, new ones replace them.
I have worked extremely hard to build something to be proud of, and if something were to happen to prevent me from logging on for 2 months (for example), I'll be frakked if I want someone taking that group away from me.
You want a group...do the work on your own.
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I'm not a base person much
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Apparently not. How can you sit there and presume judgement when you don't even walk in our shoes?
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I would like to know how one roster spot, out of 150 of them, prevents an sg from remaining active? So long as permissions are granted to level 5 leaders, giving the super leader 6 months is not a big deal at all.
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Right, but you have that qualification in there.
Now, if they changed it so that the leader gets autodemoted UNLESS there is someone else at the next highest rank and who has all necessary permissions, that could work.
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What you are proposing is that people be allowed to come in after all the work is done and yank it from under him/her?
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Seems to me that is what you and the OP are proposing.
Some guy founds an SG, recruits some people, and disappears without a word, leaving everyone else working hard to build the SG into something to be proud of. Then the founder returns 6 months later and demands that the SG be handed over to him.
Sounds a lot like those people that join a TF then log off until the last mission then return expecting to get rewarded.
We only heard the OP's side of the story, of course he's going to paint a picture that shows him as the victim. He didn't even provide any screenshots of his SG roster so we could judge for ourselves how much he contributed to the SG.
For all we know we might have seen that there was an influx of new members after he quit and they earned most of the prestige.
I agree that six months is way too long for an inactive leader. I understand the concerns people have about working hard to build something up and then losing it, but when you invite people to be part of the supergroup, it's not just yours anymore. If you want to make sure it's always yours and nobody else could ever be a leader, don't invite anyone.
I could see extending the cutoff time a little, like just over 2 months, but not much more. If it's a decent supergroup, it needs a leader. If that leader was absent for six months, he should forfeit the position of leader. Yes, life can throw you curveballs, but it goes on despite what happens to you, and the supergroup should be able to go on too.
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I hate to say it but this is one of those situations where I can see both sides. On one hand I was on a certain game system that allowed Player built cities. We had a group of griefers come in join the city, which was a RP city, and run for mayor, and the moment they were elected thanks to their friends, Deleted the city hall, and place up buildings with names like HaHa Rper's are Teh suxxors and Etc.
As for the argument, the Base belongs to the founder, we had Prior to the voting, a person who set up a city, and then Leave the game, which promptly died because we had no way for a long time to do anything with it or the group we were in because he had all the power. so either way, there are problems.
As for the founder starting a SG, it is his, and his alone. to a point that may be right. Once he opens the SG for others to play in, then he relinquishes exclusive rights to it particularly if he leaves. I see it as basically Superduper boy incvites me to his SG of justice Seekers. He had the idea and concept. He sold me on the idea and persuaded me to join. Now it is no longer. his SG but Our SG. He has final word but it is ours. We build it and make the fun together. Say he leaves, now Leader is up for grabs. say I get it. now it is my job to see that the ideas and Values superduper man had planned continue on as that is what we based this on. As for having people in the SG you do not trust, why do you have them? if you feel you cannot work or trust them, Tell them they have to go, be polite but say it is not going to work out, sorry.
anyways thats my 2 influences to this discussion.
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I could see extending the cutoff time a little, like just over 2 months, but not much more. If it's a decent supergroup, it needs a leader. If that leader was absent for six months, he should forfeit the position of leader. Yes, life can throw you curveballs, but it goes on despite what happens to you, and the supergroup should be able to go on too.
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I can agree to that, I always thought 45 days was an odd number. Rounding it up to 2 months/60 days makes sense.
I had a simliar instance but the outcome was different I guess. The leader of our SG had left for quite some time, only popping in every once in a while, we took a vote and I was nominated to be her replacement. The next time she popped in for a brief moment she promoted me and disappeared again. I worked hard and devoted a great deal of time and effort and she popped in every once in a while, each time I repromoted her however back to leader. But it was my work and the work of the members which then bumped to over 120 with at least 30 VERY active. However due to differences of opinion I decided I no longer wanted to be a part of them and quit. It is fully hers now. But after a time in that situation I came to realize she created it....but that is ALL she did. She put in a name, recruited about 6 people. And everyone else did the rest. The SG grew to no longer be hers but everyones'.
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Now he is offline for 41 days so 4 more days and perhaps the nightmare is over.
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Okay that that was posted over 45 days ago, so what happened...
Sure today is the first day of the rest of your life. But so was yesterday. And look how that turned out.
Unless the OP or someone in the SG says something, we will never know.
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Wow. What a sense of entitlement. His accounts were inactive for almost 5 months and he expects NCSoft to punish the other members of the SG indefinitely on the hopes that he might one day reactivate his accounts.
Customer Support - What? You say your locked out of your base because the SG leader's account is inactive and rent's due? Too bad. We don't care about our PAYING customers.
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Well the alternative would have been for him to kick everyone before he deactivated his account so he would still be leader when he came back. He did the right thing and let members stay in...Granted he probably should have set someone up in the big chair before he left. Someone he could trust to return ownership.
Tough situation. Kick everyone...and your a made man when you get back. But it's just not nice to do.
Promote someone and they might not give ya the thrown back.
Get auto demoted over time...
Seems clear to me you should have booted everyone. Your the bad guy but the current system only supports that option...If you want to stay in control.