Mission Architect - No XP/Rewards/Penalty Flag

I'd love to be able to create missions in the architect, even using some of the items now banned as exploits, but have the mission operate as a arc being tested. In other words, No inspirations, No tickets, No XP and No Debt. The primary purpose being to create some insane missions mostly for fun (Really the idea of a map full of fire imps helping me just amuses me since I saw it mentioned by someone in the MA Abuse thread), or to create challenges for other players in a fun light that don't give a penalty or reward. They could even have their own category.

Part of what I enjoy about MA is being able to really push my characters who I've become bored playing in normal content because its too easy.

These arcs would also not be part of the rating system, but could be part of the tagging system coming with i15. People could label them as fun, a challenge, or a joke.

Yes I know right now you can create some of this and just run it as a test mission. But honestly I'd like to search and see what other insanity people have come up with.

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Agreed. I'd selectively trade most or all of the rewards available for being able to have full creative control.

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I wouldn't have a problem with it in and of itself.

My issue would lie in the Coding. Would the Devs be able to mark specific spawns to carry that flag, after the most recent changes? Would they have to undo what they've just done to accomplish it? If so then I don't think it's a good idea, due to the possible game-glitches it would spawn.

If they can just move the enemies you're reffering to into a separate bracket "Hellions, Skulls, Rikti, No Rewards" I'd -definitely- be fine with that!

I do have a few arcs in mind that would be best if I could spawn Snake Eggs, but I'd be more than happy to have 0XP for the Eggs rather than not be able to do it.

-Rachel-

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I wouldn't have a problem with it in and of itself.

My issue would lie in the Coding. Would the Devs be able to mark specific spawns to carry that flag, after the most recent changes? Would they have to undo what they've just done to accomplish it? If so then I don't think it's a good idea, due to the possible game-glitches it would spawn.

If they can just move the enemies you're reffering to into a separate bracket "Hellions, Skulls, Rikti, No Rewards" I'd -definitely- be fine with that!

I do have a few arcs in mind that would be best if I could spawn Snake Eggs, but I'd be more than happy to have 0XP for the Eggs rather than not be able to do it.

-Rachel-

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Unfortunately the coding was something I thought of when I came up with the idea. I don't know if the devs could add them back in but with zero rewards. Or if there is a way, while running a arc flagged as No Rewards/XP, the player receives nothing (Like when testing).

But I imagine if its a change that has to go onto the critter itself its not something the devs are likely to do anytime soon.

I think its just a question really of how the testing flag works and if its something that could be applied to the mission itself and not just how its access.

Maybe... *hopeful*

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Yeah, I would assume that this would be a mission-wide flag, Rach, not a spawn-specific one per mission. In general, that should be easier to code.

I might have to propose an SCR rule -- "Don't use the SCR if you don't understand the SC part."

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I wouldn't have a problem with it in and of itself.

My issue would lie in the Coding. Would the Devs be able to mark specific spawns to carry that flag, after the most recent changes? Would they have to undo what they've just done to accomplish it? If so then I don't think it's a good idea, due to the possible game-glitches it would spawn.

If they can just move the enemies you're reffering to into a separate bracket "Hellions, Skulls, Rikti, No Rewards" I'd -definitely- be fine with that!

I do have a few arcs in mind that would be best if I could spawn Snake Eggs, but I'd be more than happy to have 0XP for the Eggs rather than not be able to do it.

-Rachel-

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Unfortunately the coding was something I thought of when I came up with the idea. I don't know if the devs could add them back in but with zero rewards. Or if there is a way, while running a arc flagged as No Rewards/XP, the player receives nothing (Like when testing).

But I imagine if its a change that has to go onto the critter itself its not something the devs are likely to do anytime soon.

I think its just a question really of how the testing flag works and if its something that could be applied to the mission itself and not just how its access.

Maybe... *hopeful*

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Seeing as how they have been removing them individually, I'd bet its something that has to do with the critter itself. If not, why couldn't they just mark all the things they removed as no XP? Or even severely reduced XP?

I don't see this happening anytime soon, if at all.

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Actually.. Didn't the last patch Normalize Rikti Comm Officer XP to normal minion levels?

Maybe they could make Snake Eggs and such have 0XP 0inf 0ticket drops.... That way we could use them...?

-Rachel-

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I wouldn't have a problem with it in and of itself.

My issue would lie in the Coding. Would the Devs be able to mark specific spawns to carry that flag, after the most recent changes? Would they have to undo what they've just done to accomplish it? If so then I don't think it's a good idea, due to the possible game-glitches it would spawn.

If they can just move the enemies you're reffering to into a separate bracket "Hellions, Skulls, Rikti, No Rewards" I'd -definitely- be fine with that!

I do have a few arcs in mind that would be best if I could spawn Snake Eggs, but I'd be more than happy to have 0XP for the Eggs rather than not be able to do it.

-Rachel-

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Unfortunately the coding was something I thought of when I came up with the idea. I don't know if the devs could add them back in but with zero rewards. Or if there is a way, while running a arc flagged as No Rewards/XP, the player receives nothing (Like when testing).

But I imagine if its a change that has to go onto the critter itself its not something the devs are likely to do anytime soon.

I think its just a question really of how the testing flag works and if its something that could be applied to the mission itself and not just how its access.

Maybe... *hopeful*

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Seeing as how they have been removing them individually, I'd bet its something that has to do with the critter itself. If not, why couldn't they just mark all the things they removed as no XP? Or even severely reduced XP?

I don't see this happening anytime soon, if at all.

[/ QUOTE ]If Super Banana Bobs are being exploited in MA, they can't change them without affecting Super Banana Bobs in the rest of the game. So they have to pull Super Banana Bobs out of the MA until they can create an identical, MA-only version that avoids the exploitative behavior.

Although having a mission that uses ANY "flagged" mob give NO rewards might be a good long-term solution.

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Actually.. Didn't the last patch Normalize Rikti Comm Officer XP to normal minion levels?

Maybe they could make Snake Eggs and such have 0XP 0inf 0ticket drops.... That way we could use them...?

-Rachel-

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I was actually curious about that. Reading the patch notes it seems this change only was meant to be for Comm officers in MA.

Where they changed in normal game content as well? If so that means the devs can make MA specific critters.

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Actually.. Didn't the last patch Normalize Rikti Comm Officer XP to normal minion levels?

Maybe they could make Snake Eggs and such have 0XP 0inf 0ticket drops.... That way we could use them...?

-Rachel-

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IIRC, there was mention that the things removed, like the snake eggs, would return after they got fixed.

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