Don't mean to play necro (raising this thread from the dead) but I've been curious about this as well. Anyone care to describe your experience with Placate + ET?
no health loss when using ET after placate... but i have made several trips to the hospital using ET when in the red. LOL.
That raises another question... if you kill yourself with ET, do you still receive debt? I would assume so, but having never done it, I don't know.
/e thinks of another way to phrase that...
If you kill yourself in the forest, and there's no one there to see, do you really die? 
you still get debt.
if your hidden to the mob you wont get damaged. that's the only rule i've noticed on it.
getting debt from self inflicted damage is a rather new thing. my em tanker used to kill himself in this way to avoid debt... didn't work sometimes as if left will just a sliver a mob would deal last hit and ... debt. this leaves me wondering if ... that empathy power (absorb pain?) -k, i don't play defenders- gives debt now... those are the only two powers i can think of save for the dark armor thingy but thats pretty slow...
some emp out there want to test this out?
Yes! I'm NORMAL! What are you looking at freak!?
Already have. Killing yourself with Absorb Pain gives debt.
<- absorb pain addict
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Can some explain exactly under what circumstances a stalker will not lose health when using Energy Transfer? I've been seeing some health losses when I shouldn't be losing health.
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If you have "Hide" status, you can get a critical hit with your powers. Energy Transfer's critical eliminates the Self Damage property of the attack. So, if you use Energy Transfer while you have the "Hide" status, ET will do no damage to you.
FYI:
Hide gives "Hide" Status.
Placate gives "Hide" Status.
Smoke Flash does NOT give "Hide" Status.
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Can some explain exactly under what circumstances a stalker will not lose health when using Energy Transfer? I've been seeing some health losses when I shouldn't be losing health.
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If you have "Hide" status, you can get a critical hit with your powers. Energy Transfer's critical eliminates the Self Damage property of the attack. So, if you use Energy Transfer while you have the "Hide" status, ET will do no damage to you.
FYI:
Hide gives "Hide" Status.
Placate gives "Hide" Status.
Smoke Flash does NOT give "Hide" Status.
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Ya know what gets confusing sometimes? Lets say you attack 4 enemies - you AS one, dead. You ET another, dead. You placate the 3rd - He can't see you anymore, but the other still can, yet in Status it says "Hidden", even if you are only hidden to that one guy.
Know what I mean?
Thanks for eight fun years, Paragon.
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So, if you use Energy Transfer while you have the "Hide" status, ET will do no damage to you.
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That'd be great if it was actually working that way, but it isn't. Using ET after Placate still damages you most of the time. It doesn't if you use it while Hide is unsuppressed, but Placating doesn't seem to have a reliable affect.
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Ya know what gets confusing sometimes? Lets say you attack 4 enemies - you AS one, dead. You ET another, dead. You placate the 3rd - He can't see you anymore, but the other still can, yet in Status it says "Hidden", even if you are only hidden to that one guy.
Know what I mean?
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I know what you mean, but unless they make some mob effect that shows which you are hidden too.
I dont know if there is a way to "code" that without issues.
But one of the down sides of stalkers is they are weak against mobs. All you can really do is:
Mob of 4
1: Approach while hidden
2: AS 1st target (3 left)
3: Attack target 2
4: When AS is almost ready, switch targets.
5: Time the mobs attacks.
6: Placid then AS the 3rd target (2 remaining, one at half health)
7: Go back to 2nd target (now at 1/2 health) and finish him off. (1 remaining)
8: One left. You can either duke it out with him, or run off. Usualy I will have placid up about 1/2 way through my fight with him and placid him and get a critical hit and kill him off.
It would be nice if smoke bomb gave you hidden back to the mob, but that would be a little powerful. They would have to jack up the recharge to like 5-8 mins.
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Ya know what gets confusing sometimes? Lets say you attack 4 enemies - you AS one, dead. You ET another, dead. You placate the 3rd - He can't see you anymore, but the other still can, yet in Status it says "Hidden", even if you are only hidden to that one guy.
Know what I mean?
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Your trying to think about it too logically... Instead of trying to think about who you are currently hidden to... Instead its simply a state that you exist within, using placate activates your hide powers.. You are either hidden, or you are not, at no point are you hidden to some and not to others..
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So, if you use Energy Transfer while you have the "Hide" status, ET will do no damage to you.
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That'd be great if it was actually working that way, but it isn't. Using ET after Placate still damages you most of the time. It doesn't if you use it while Hide is unsuppressed, but Placating doesn't seem to have a reliable affect.
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Placate does not equal Hide. They are two separate conditions.
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Can some explain exactly under what circumstances a stalker will not lose health when using Energy Transfer? I've been seeing some health losses when I shouldn't be losing health.
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If you have "Hide" status, you can get a critical hit with your powers. Energy Transfer's critical eliminates the Self Damage property of the attack. So, if you use Energy Transfer while you have the "Hide" status, ET will do no damage to you.
FYI:
Hide gives "Hide" Status.
Placate gives "Hide" Status.
Smoke Flash does NOT give "Hide" Status.
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There are instances where I Placate, but the "Hide" text doesn't display. However I can still get an AS/Critical off. I figured it was a print issue.
However if the "Hide" text isn't appearing after certain Placates, then perhaps it's triggering ET's damage loss (even though technically you're still in "hide" mode)?
Possibly lag/packet loss related if you spike when Placating and/or ETing?
What does it did the damage in the combat log?
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Ya know what gets confusing sometimes? Lets say you attack 4 enemies - you AS one, dead. You ET another, dead. You placate the 3rd - He can't see you anymore, but the other still can, yet in Status it says "Hidden", even if you are only hidden to that one guy.
Know what I mean?
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Your trying to think about it too logically... Instead of trying to think about who you are currently hidden to... Instead its simply a state that you exist within, using placate activates your hide powers.. You are either hidden, or you are not, at no point are you hidden to some and not to others..
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If you ever played hide and seek you would realize that somebody can be hidden and still be seen. Otherwise the game would to be boring. Same thing here. Some mobs can see you, some cannot. In PvP it is also the same, you are hidden but some players can still see you while others cannot. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp and work with.
The Energy Transfer health loss still kicks in alot after using Placate. Especially if one uses ET *right* after Placate, then the health loss always seems to take place. So, either this is "working as intended™" and ET's health loss is only supposed to be countered when truly hidden, or it's a bug.
Come to think of it, ALL Stalker attacks have a 20% chance to do a critical when a target is held, so why doesn't ET have a 20% chance to avoid health loss when a target is held? Seems only fair, no?
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So, if you use Energy Transfer while you have the "Hide" status, ET will do no damage to you.
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That'd be great if it was actually working that way, but it isn't. Using ET after Placate still damages you most of the time. It doesn't if you use it while Hide is unsuppressed, but Placating doesn't seem to have a reliable affect.
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Placate does not equal Hide. They are two separate conditions.
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placate (the power) puts you in a hidden status (for a short time).
Yes! I'm NORMAL! What are you looking at freak!?
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Ya know what gets confusing sometimes? Lets say you attack 4 enemies - you AS one, dead. You ET another, dead. You placate the 3rd - He can't see you anymore, but the other still can, yet in Status it says "Hidden", even if you are only hidden to that one guy.
Know what I mean?
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Your trying to think about it too logically... Instead of trying to think about who you are currently hidden to... Instead its simply a state that you exist within, using placate activates your hide powers.. You are either hidden, or you are not, at no point are you hidden to some and not to others..
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Sure you are...
In the situation I described, you are "Hidden" to one, but not the other. It says "Hidden" in your Status Bar, and one guy stops aggroing on you (He'll do the relaxed animation thing), but the other guy will still be swinging at you.
In essence - you are hidden to the one you placated, and can get a Critical on him. But the other can still see you - if you hit him, you will not get a Critical, and then the other will be alerted to your prescence.
Thanks for eight fun years, Paragon.
You can get a critical on an enemy that is not placated. As long as YOU are hidden, you can get a crit off of anyone.
I haven't experienced that using ET after placate or after placate then buildup costs health. Using ET from hide or after a placate (before you take or deal damage) should not cost you health.
Many people think you should AS the target you placate in a multi mob fight, I perfer to AS a different one.
In general, my combat flows from:
- Initial AS (one dead minion)
- Buildup (before the 1st AS if hitting with AS is in any doubt)
- Energy transfer (2nd dead minion, energy punch/bonesmasher may be required depending on resistances)
- Total focus (mostly dead 3rd mob, disoriented)
If there's more then the 3rd mob left standing (2 down, 1 disoriented), then I continue as:
- Placate mob #4
- AS mob #5
- Defeat mob #3 (likely coming out of disorient shortly after this)
- Defeat mob #4 if attacks have recharged and health is decent, otherwise retreat.
Placte seems to have 2 features, a detected hide status (mobs can agro on you but you can crit) and a remove from agro list (anti-taunt). While the hide can be knocked off by taking or doing damage, the anti-taunt remains in effect for about 12 seconds or until you hit that mob, at which point the mob will react as if you had just come into the area.
So you're telling me if I placate any mob in a group, and see "Hidden" on my Status bar, even if say, two other enemies are swinging at me (And not connecting), then I can get a Critical on any of them, not just the one I actually placated?
If that's the case, 34 levels with that either not working for me, or me just not trying it enough. 
Thanks for eight fun years, Paragon.
Yep, thats how it works. However, it might be that the other two npcs are hitting you after you placated, so you are not in hidden status anymore. In general, people placate when there's just one npc left, so there's no chance of getting put out of hide.
I can confirm that you lose health when using ET after placate, both directly after and with some waiting. I hadn't noticed it until now as I never use ET out of hide.
Edit: After placate you don't (or at least I dont) get 'Hidden' on my bar, I get an icon of placate in my list of self buffs. When hit or after attacking, the icon goes away. I believe the 'Hidden' only shows up if you're in normal hide mode... placate lasts just shorter then the time lenght for the anti-taunt effect to wear off - just short of the time to attack and rehide.
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So you're telling me if I placate any mob in a group, and see "Hidden" on my Status bar, even if say, two other enemies are swinging at me (And not connecting), then I can get a Critical on any of them, not just the one I actually placated?
If that's the case, 34 levels with that either not working for me, or me just not trying it enough.
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Seems to work just fine for me, i'll have to test it some more when i next am on but if i can placate a door and then critical on it (heist missions) i don't see why anything else would stop me...
Can some explain exactly under what circumstances a stalker will not lose health when using Energy Transfer? I've been seeing some health losses when I shouldn't be losing health.
I notice it most commonly when I fight two enemies. I defeat the first enemy with an AS and then placate the second. If I just hit Energy Transfer immediately, I won't lose health which is how I expect the power to work. However, if I perform a Buildup - Energy Transfer combo after the Placate, I notice that I do lose health. I see my health bar drop, I see red numbers appear above my head, and I see a message in the combat window saying I used some of my health in the ET. Neither of the enemies hit me so I couldn't have been damaged to drop the placate hide. Has anyone else noticed something like this?