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It's just like old test server. All I have to do is say two things to immediately get people on the defensive. It's too easy.
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Quote:I told him to draw me a picture in Broadcast in RV once and he took that as some blatant form of **** talk, called FD into the zone and proceeded to hump my Rad's crotch for 20 minutes.Buttwraith, why do you have to hate so much? Why are you so angry all the time?
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Sadly this is true. Which is also why I don't ever really argue for any constructive changes to PvP, only because I know it just isn't going to happen. Better to enjoy what's in front of me as best I can and not fret too much.
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Quote:rofl, treated.Do you doubt I am a random sonic blaster from freedom?
I joined the game during i14, an AE baby to the extreme. I was a level 50 fire kin that didn't know how to use the train. Starting TFing i15 with Prophets of Supremecy. First entered a zone or 1v1d (with my sg) at the start of i16 that was September. Kbs really started in November so I joined those on my pvp io-less sonic em. After two weeks of kb I was being picked over max no offense to max I have no problem with him as a person. I formed friendships with Vex Chris and Musey and got better. Beat poned and final res in 1v1s in my first week of non Pve sg matches. Then the league formed. I was asked to join u2bg and accepted. However after I found out it would not include my new friends I decided to co lead the post op we'll talk band of misfits. Vex and I then turned our d6 players into an unstoppable force that even beat a 5/6 d8 U2bg team. If I had been able to hold the team together instead of having 5 d8 players left at the end we would have won the league thanks to the points system. I quit for awhile came back to join Steve, then headed the FML and won it with BFG. Quit again. I had 15 month vet badge before I came back this time. So other than Venatrix whom I found in the 12th round of the fpvpl d6 draft picked soley because she had the global Lady Inferno and I wanted to try to sway Reaver to our team by having all the females, I have the least game time played/pvp time of any of the known names in this league. I think the problem is people like you BW that have played for awhile and still suck so they make excuses instead of getting better. And way to copy my soul storm build, you do it wrong. And don't even try to say you did it first. I did that as soon as going rogue came out.
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Quote:Okay, which test teams did Spiner play for? I'm waiting for your knowledgeable insight; you would know better than I, being that you're from his home server. And since you've (obviously) played with him longer than I have, how long has he had experience on a PvP emp before he was considered to be the best in the game?Vinnie--
Lol right, Spiner just fell out of a tree last year and figured out how to team. And the rest hardly did anything! I'm rooting for you rusty little choo-choo! Let's hope this rag-tag band of out-of-the-loop nobodies can take it to the top! Just stop, sometimes I think you actually believe this tripe and it makes me a little sad.
I'm waiting for you to provide counterpoints to the legitimate examples I provided of the experience levels that my teammates have. Wait, you've got nothing? I'm shocked.
Quote:Obviously you'll believe whatever you want. Nobody like to lose, especially by a wide margin. But if you are, for example, a lower tier team looking for practice and you have a selection of better teams to choose from--go with the ones that aren't pricks. That's my impression of how things are playing out for some people. Just saying.
The best officials from way back in the day were matches that were preceded by loads of **** throwing from both teams for months on end.
Quote:Things are much worse in other games? I wouldn't know, but western culture in general does have this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsmanship
Maybe you're vision of competition is a tad skewed.
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Yeah, my vision is skewed alright.
Quote:Interesting characterization! The other thread was you getting offended over a very mild critique and throwing out every personal attack and ridiculous appeal to "craft" in a whirlwind of pure neurotic defensiveness.
Quote:This thread is pretty dumb to begin with, but I just had to comment on some of your characterizations--they're either delusional or intentional falsehoods. Possibly both. -
Quote:This mentality is why Honey Badgers is our favorite team, to be honest.Just to be real, I'm gonna go ahead and point this out: When it comes right down to actually PvPing, the players on WARE are just as constructive as anyone else, if not more. In their selfish goal of getting practice for their own team, they are more than willing to offer advice and practice (and ringers) to other teams.
Don't get me wrong; u8bfat are total ********, but they love to PvP just as much as the rest of us and are willing to calm their trash talk for *usually* at least the duration of a match (and longer if they want to do more). This is especially true since they are too busy tryharding during a match to type in broadcast. In my experience the **** talking comes both well before and well after the PvPs take place. Whether one finds that acceptable or not is up to each person. I think one should be able to set aside one's pride for the sake of practice; that is, if one cares about improving. Personally, the trash talk doesn't phase me or most of my teammates. We're Honey Badgers; we don't give a ****. We practice with them because if we can get a coordinated spike off while 1 emp and 1 offense are dead, we've accomplished something to build on. Who cares if they post screenshots of 40-0 scores. We know we will lose by a large margin every time, but it doesn't stop us from improving with every match. We don't give a ****. -
Quote:Spiner had what notable team experience prior to usedtobegood in last year's league? Spiner was an accomplished Rad/Psy duelist years ago, that's it. He didn't have experience as a high end PvP emp until he randomly decided to try it out last year, only to reveal that his abilities exceeded that of noteworthy alpha emps before him.Yes it's a joke and it's completely disingenuous as usual. You really expect people to evaluate Spiner based on the scrapper he played years ago at the start of pvp, just to point to one example? Take the people on your team and make a tally of their involvement in pvp leagues, ladders, etc. and compare it to the other teams. It isn't hard to do. It's hilarious how you guys are railing on other people as horribly bad one moment, then painting yourselves as the rusty little team that could in the next breath lol. Please keep it up.
Who did Klesk play for? Mediocre? When I came back to the game, the running joke was that Sneaky and Klesk were considered "good" emps. Outside of that one team, what test level experience did he have? What about Dex? Vex? The spread of experience that we have is comparable with a lot of other teams that are playing. As far as rustiness goes, there are plenty of people active in this league currently that played in the last league on Champion. I tried to put WARE together for that league and was subsequently denied. Many of the players in WARE re-upped their accounts for the sole purpose of playing in this Freedom league, and haven't played in a few months, up to a year and a half at the most. With at least 3 leagues having taken place in that time, that's plenty of "experience" for players to get.
Quote:As for the mocking--it's all there on your guildportal page. It's in the lulzy mission statement, the recap of the matches, etc. As for constantly asking for matches--lol you have to. A lot of the players involved would rather not waste their free time practicing with..well, I should specifically say people like you. I think you and a few others pretty much sour things for the rest of your team because you can't be civil, or even reasonable. It's understandable that people don't want to waste their free time on something like that.
While we may openly clown on Shu in our roster kill tally, he has asked me questions about playing Rad and I have answered him without hesitation. Even CriticalKat used to ask me for advice on PvP while her and I were engaging in flame-fests on the forums.
Quote:Vinnie, please quit rap battling and whatever performance art it is you do and promptly become a lawyer. Your real talent is putting tortured spin on the obvious. -
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Quote:Notice that I said that the playerbase of VORI was 14 at the time that they played FoL. Were you in FoL? Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.I like how you downplay the wins by stating that they were 14 and were unruly on vent. Then at the same time talk about the ridiculous amounts of skill that they had.
Quote:Secondly the kills I refereed too were strictly in matches of Ren vs Vori. Vori didn't play the Poison/Thug MM+ Corr lineup in our officials. Renegades had gotten too comfortable beating it reliably in our practices against one another after about our 4-5 week of practice together or you guys got bans/got grounded by your parents for bad grades and couldn't play. Whatever makes you sleep better.
Quote:What I think upsets you is as talented as you and your friends all were, you still lost to a bunch of blue collar working part time players. Some of us being easy farm targets and easily flustered with loud obnoxious drunks that didn't always show up. We had core players get called away to serve over seas and issues of our own as does every roster so you will have to excuse me if I don't feel pity. We had some very skilled players, and we had some average players. We also played who we had available IE Penny.
Also, if you're using the term "blue collar part time players" as a way of saying that the Renegades didn't take the game seriously, you are so far outside of your mind that it's unbelievable. You were in game farming and on test more than anyone else that I knew. Be real, please.
Quote:Lately Vinnie you have run around the forums beating your chest and picking arguments over stupid things..... a banner font? REALLY?!?!
Meanwhile, while you were doing that, if I was on Whirligig vent you were asking for permission to come into whatever channel that I was in in order to talk.
Quote:Perhaps it is because you and I both know you have no competition for this league and currently in the game.
Quote:Outside of yourselves every team has a variety of skill from kickballer/zoners to old rusty arena pvp players such as myself sprinkled in.
Quote:Originally Posted by WARE.gov mission statementWe come from every corner of this game. We are scrappers from Protector, and random sonic blasters from freedom - We are griefers from Pinnacle, ITF kings from Infinity, and ancient relics from the Victory server. We are champions of Champion, and RPers from Virtue.
So if any team has a "variety of skill" that is being brought to the table, it's us.
Also, regarding competition, let's be frank: While the VORI/Renegades matches were highly competitive, the level of competition beyond that was practically non-existent. And while I can appreciate the pride your SG takes in its accomplishments, let's not try to act like you had 15 teams on the Villain ladder vying for the top spot at any time. There is a reason why the Villain ladder was referred to as the "WNBA". I loved Villain PvP as much as the next person, I really did, but if you're going to try and imply that it's wrong for my team to feel a level of pride for their capabilities, you're downplaying your accomplishments far worse.
Quote:Ware mocks the very purpose of the league while flashing kills of 40-0 and talking down to everyone, but you do that to garner interest in arena pvp and competition right?
If we are mocking the purpose of generating organized PvP matches, explain how and why we are constantly speaking with team leaders in order to get them to do practice matches during the week? Explain to how and why we lend our support and offense players to other teams in order to round out their experience while supplementing another team's line-up in order to keep matches moving smoothly?
We were the first team to start asking for practice matches, and we are consistently seeking out other teams for matches. We're the only team in the league asking for 20 minute matches, and we are the only team that is willing to go beyond an 8v8 for the sake of enjoyment. If that is mocking the purpose of what this league is intending to do, please explain what isn't. I would be more than welcome to read your expert opinion on such things, oh wise "blue collar" PvPer. -
Quote:Your critical analysis of VORI vs. The Renegades, as well as Unholy's ability to be on target is laughable at best. I've target called with Unholy off of Ventrilo before due to connection issues and he was able to naturally assume what target I was going to go for and was there for each spike on a Stalker.Dream team is best of all time, time being past and present. So in this case what someone did 3 years ago is very relevant and is very much so on topic different system or not.
Silit,
How did you watches all of Max's movment as stalker? Stalkers and blasters play absolutely nothing alike. As I can recall arena cam's don't have + perc and to my knowledge you didnt stand over Max's or Unholys shoulder so you can at best give an educated opinon based on how they played other classes. As this video points out, its near impossible to see whats going on unless you were there.
Vori vs Renegades
If Unholy was EASILY the best stalker, then Vori should have never lost peiod. Kills were 97% atained from successful Assassin Strike + Scourge in all of our officials before Forts were released because villians didn't have unresistable damage outside Assassin Strike. If Unholy was easily the best stalker the rest of Vori's range dmg couldn't keep up with his targeting and had issues with locking/spiking enough to overcome our kill count. Since I was the target caller for Renegades and I was on my stalker, I know how fast Max was on target better than anyone as we often ran a 2 stalker line up.
What official was that and when did they beat Vori and Ujl to challenge us? Screenshots matter when they are officials and its the core reason they are outlined as officials as apose to practices or kickballs. Considering your an old school player I would expect you to be able to tell the difference.
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As far as those VORI vs. Renegades matches go, in the case of M3z, you're aware that M3z wasn't setting up Assassin Strikes at all during those matches, correct? Unholy worked almost exclusively with Volund, which is evident by the fact that in one match, Volund was the individual that closed the kills on your team.
M3z acted as pure disruption, in that he drew ridiculous amount of attention from teams while focusing on 1-2 targets when Domination was up. I'm also fairly certain that being perma-caged would not have afforded M3z the luxury of being able to capably set up AS spikes. However, the kills pulled on your team were off of ASes that Unholy snagged by predicting the movement of your team, with either Volund, Squish, or h0j following up.
If you think I don't know, I do. I played in those officials. I specifically remember your evasion tactic for Penny: fly pack to the top of the map because she was absolutely atrocious.
While I appreciate the underhanded tone that you and the rest of the Renegades have taken over the years regarding the officials against VORI, and VORI in general, and while I think it's cute that you will in one hand laud VORI as a capable villain SG while inserting yourselves into any discussion involving them whatsoever, reminding people that you guys did it best, please remember that VORI was a group of 14 year olds who screamed at eachother for 10 minutes straight on Ventrilo back when they unseated the FoL from the top spot.
In regards to your claim that 97% of villain kills in PvP were attained off of Assassin Strike, maybe for the Renegades that's the case, but having practiced and played with VORI in practices and officials for so long, I can assure you that the ridiculous amount of talented Masterminds and Corruptors garnered us more kills in matches than anything else.
Unholy being the best Stalker in the game doesn't account for the efforts of an entire team. There were plenty of critical players missing from our line-up for those officials, and we threw together who we had to in order to honor those matches. You're delusional if you're resting the successes or failures of a group on one player and one player alone. -
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Quote:Working artist in the sense that I have made art my full time job, and draw a regular paycheck from it, or a working artist in the sense that I regularly practice a craft? What's pure nonsense is the supposition that you make on my behalf. I've been doing performance art on stage for 11 years, and that doesn't include battling. I've taken performance criticism from Professors at Juilliard. Please don't assume that I am so out of my depth in this discussion. I think it's interesting that you say that my calling you an "art snob" is a characterization of myself, yet here you are echoing the same dismissive tone. It's endearing, really.Pure nonsense. You don't know anything about being a working artist, which involves taking criticism all the time.
Quote:I said it was a bit plain, which it is. If Peril can't take that kind of criticism then he'll never go anywhere with art. Call the first art director that tells you something like that a snob and they'll show you the door immediately.
Quote:I think you must be a bit steamed, your quote is distorting what I said which didn't involve "pouring" or a keyboard. You're guildsite has pissing contest written all over it. Call it what it is. Is it really that hard to be objective about it, Vinny? Really?
Quote:Why are you so ridiculously defensive about a logo? I've got a public gallery that anyone can look at to determine if I'm qualified to judge such things. Saying I lack humility and am an art snob over one comment really characterizes you more than anything. You should stow your ego for a moment and really reflect on it. Good luck. -
Quote:I'm disappointed in you for not rocking WARE.gov in your sig.Solid additions, is it possible for a roster to get more unstoppable? I think the very definition of the word "un-stoppable" would suggest no, yet here we are.
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Quote:I've met plenty of "working artists" in more than just the field of graphic design that did not echo that same attitude as the one that you have. For something that should be treated with respect (your craft, for example), it's often good to practice a little humility, which you are obviously incapable of doing.LOL oh please Vinny. I'm a working graphic artist, anyone with a similar background would likely say the same thing. And when you are dedicating so much energy to turning this league into a pissing contest, don't be such a blatant hypocrite as to call me a snob for finding this logo a bit plain.
Also, making the assumption that I'm actually pouring energy into typing words with a keyboard in an attempt to make a league a "pissing" contest is erroneous on your part.
By your logic, I can draw the conclusion that you're pouring ample amounts of energy into being terrible at a game that you've been playing for years, taking away valuable time from what you're actually good at: Being an art snob. -
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Quote:I would much rather you focus on not Soul Storming targets mid-way through spikes on your blaster, as well as put your attention towards not dying as often as you do.Yeah I know type--meaning I can download a font and slap a gradient on it. When you settle down maybe I can get some nice arial and put an emboss filter on it, looks like you'd cream yourself over it.
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Updated to reflect "honorary member" status roster additions, as well as our new logo featuring our sponsors.
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Unholy played in i13. He participated in the Champion 5v5v5 event where we threw together a ragtag team against PoN (Hinden played against us on Emp) and we deeked all over them.
I did play Award Tour on Champion, yes. And I played Therm for VORI on test as well.
Despite my poking fun on that line-up you posted, I'll try to explain my rationale behind not putting Reaver and Scribe up there.
While Reaver is a fantastic player and a really fun person to have on vent/mumble, he can also be fairly inconsistent. With there being such a high concentration of players that you can throw into a mix of potential "dream teams". This is also why I have to exclude a player like Scribe, who, albeit a capable offensive player does not have the consistency in the highest competitive environment.
He played on the test ladder for a brief period of time and was unable to find success. And even with the consideration that he was playing for teams that were perhaps not up to par, he was not a stand-out player like say, an Unholy or a Liberty.
Liberty is bar none the best example of a stand-out player who was able to rise above the constraints of playing for a garbage team.
I don't think that Unholy would be the best blaster or offensive player in the game if he were to come back and make himself unrusty, but I do believe that he would be a definite candidate for best utility player, as he demonstrates the capability to play anything without a problem. He is also in my opinion one of the most underrated players and easily the best Stalker.
I know people talk about Zero, but Zero had nothing on Unholy's jump cancel Assassin Strikes, sorry.
For the sake of discussion, as far as a "dream team" goes for me, I'm fortunate enough to have been able to form my personal dream team.
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Thanks for coming, everyone.
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We need Divine and Moe on the team so Divine can login to Mumble and be like,
"wsup, Moe."