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It's just like old test server. All I have to do is say two things to immediately get people on the defensive. It's too easy.

I told him to draw me a picture in Broadcast in RV once and he took that as some blatant form of **** talk, called FD into the zone and proceeded to hump my Rad's crotch for 20 minutes.

His anger issues go all the way back to Protector when he lost duels on his Ice/Elec blaster.

Just caught this little gem, lmao.

Sadly this is true. Which is also why I don't ever really argue for any constructive changes to PvP, only because I know it just isn't going to happen. Better to enjoy what's in front of me as best I can and not fret too much.

no wone can bet us

cuz we got seethe

You mean back when people didn't take Acrobatics and Targeting binds existed?

Let's not go there.

rofl, treated.

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Okay, which test teams did Spiner play for? I'm waiting for your knowledgeable insight; you would know better than I, being that you're from his home server. And since you've (obviously) played with him longer than I have, how long has he had experience on a PvP emp before he was considered to be the best in the game?

I'm waiting for you to provide counterpoints to the legitimate examples I provided of the experience levels that my teammates have. Wait, you've got nothing? I'm shocked.

Which team of players aren't pricks in some way? EXILE took a group SG picture of their team on hoverboards after they beat Chicken Nuggets in match 2. They ran a Peacebringer/Scrapper centric team match 1 because they knew they were going to destroy Chicken Nuggets. While that isn't outright **** talk, per se, it's a dick move. Before we even started running our mouths to Shenanigans, they were refusing to practice with us. Their team appears to be split in their decision to do consistent practice matches with us, and when we've offered our ringers to other teams that were practicing with Shenanigans, they were reluctant to keep playing. The difference is that we will come out and say straight to someone's face what we think. Personally I'd rather deal with that than have a bunch of backbiting; putting things out on the table has always made practices and officials that much more interesting to spectate and participate in.

The best officials from way back in the day were matches that were preceded by loads of **** throwing from both teams for months on end.

Sportsmanship:

Hi

Yeah, my vision is skewed alright.

I could care less about your "critique", Slan. I like that you're still trying to convince everyone that you were wholly innocent and very constructive in your comments regarding Peril's work, but you went and took a sarcastic attitude and tone from the get-go, which provoked my response. It was only after the fact that you conceded that the site "looked good", and that the logo was "a bit plain". But you're grasping on to what you said after in order to make yourself seem like the innocent party that was attacked by the big bad WAREwolf.

I'm waiting for you to provide examples as to how my characterizations are false, when in fact our mission statement is 100% accurate regarding who we are, and where we've come from. And being that you know so much about WARE's roster; I'm waiting for you to provide an accurate analysis about our test and live team experience, broken down player by player. Until that point, the only one making false characterizations is you. What a shock!

This mentality is why Honey Badgers is our favorite team, to be honest.

Spiner had what notable team experience prior to usedtobegood in last year's league? Spiner was an accomplished Rad/Psy duelist years ago, that's it. He didn't have experience as a high end PvP emp until he randomly decided to try it out last year, only to reveal that his abilities exceeded that of noteworthy alpha emps before him.

Who did Klesk play for? Mediocre? When I came back to the game, the running joke was that Sneaky and Klesk were considered "good" emps. Outside of that one team, what test level experience did he have? What about Dex? Vex? The spread of experience that we have is comparable with a lot of other teams that are playing. As far as rustiness goes, there are plenty of people active in this league currently that played in the last league on Champion. I tried to put WARE together for that league and was subsequently denied. Many of the players in WARE re-upped their accounts for the sole purpose of playing in this Freedom league, and haven't played in a few months, up to a year and a half at the most. With at least 3 leagues having taken place in that time, that's plenty of "experience" for players to get.

People using "attitude" as a reason to not practice with other teams has been a long standing excuse. Acting like **** talking hasn't existed on test server or in competitive PvP since i4 is what's really disingenuous. My **** talking didn't run teams off then, it doesn't run them off now. Large margin score differentials are the real problem that people have trouble confronting. **** talk is fun, but I've always been open to helping teams out and making suggestions to them on play style tactics. But if people can't handle **** talk, competition in general just isn't for them. In games with a higher concentration of players, it gets much much worse.

While we may openly clown on Shu in our roster kill tally, he has asked me questions about playing Rad and I have answered him without hesitation. Even CriticalKat used to ask me for advice on PvP while her and I were engaging in flame-fests on the forums.

This discussion doesn't even involve you, yet here you are. You're doing exactly what you crawled up my *** for doing in the other thread regarding Peril's banner and site layout. It's endearing, really.

Removing jump canceling would make me a sad panda. I feel like I'm Roman Canceling in Guilty Gear every time that I do it.

Notice that I said that the playerbase of VORI was 14 at the time that they played FoL. Were you in FoL? Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You speak with a level of humility and respect regarding a team until someone counters your argument with valid facts regarding officials. As soon as that happens, you come right out of your face and start talking incessant loads of ****. Are you blind? Did you even watch the video of the official that you linked? The entire line-up for the #1 Defense match was the exact same as the line-up we ran when we fought you guys again for the #1 spot, with only ONE stalker. What else do you see? A Poison and a **** load of Corruptors. Are you feigning ignorance to supplement your poor attitude?

You're making the grand assumption that I'm upset about anything to begin with. It was the membership of your group that constantly and consistently flew off the handle on the forums the moment that VORI was ever mentioned in a positive light (which was practically never, but you guys were the "Bad Boys of PvP" rofl). The only thing that anyone ever got frustrated about regarding those officials was that Pub never got the chance to play, we literally had everyone there that we wanted to play with in those matches save for Pub, and that's it. And it wasn't even a matter of thinking that the matches would have gone differently with Pub, it was a matter of Pub being absolutely hilarious to have on vent during officials. You're missing the entire point of why I brought up players missing to begin with. Whatever your blue collar job is, Kurgain, it can't involve reading. Because you'd be fired on the spot if your job relied on you making accurate assertions based on context.

Also, if you're using the term "blue collar part time players" as a way of saying that the Renegades didn't take the game seriously, you are so far outside of your mind that it's unbelievable. You were in game farming and on test more than anyone else that I knew. Be real, please.

I can't even take this comment seriously from you. You used to follow me around on the forums calling me Chris Crocker, of all people, and there was literally no one that thought that was even a worthy troll's effort.

Meanwhile, while you were doing that, if I was on Whirligig vent you were asking for permission to come into whatever channel that I was in in order to talk.

Perhaps.

Have you read our mission statement? Hold on, let me help you out:

Do you think that's a joke? Silit and Spiner are Scrappers from Protector; Dex is the random sonic blaster from Freedom that got his start kickballing; Vex was/is a premiere griefer who got his start on Pinnacle; Liberty had more relevance running the ITF on Infinity until dUmb picked him up, and Peril is so old that Penance is his favorite PvP team. The claim that I have been and still am a Roleplayer isn't an inaccurate one; every time that I return to the game I normally do it to casually PvE and RP. I was an avid RPer (like Spec) before I was a PvPer.

So if any team has a "variety of skill" that is being brought to the table, it's us.

Also, regarding competition, let's be frank: While the VORI/Renegades matches were highly competitive, the level of competition beyond that was practically non-existent. And while I can appreciate the pride your SG takes in its accomplishments, let's not try to act like you had 15 teams on the Villain ladder vying for the top spot at any time. There is a reason why the Villain ladder was referred to as the "WNBA". I loved Villain PvP as much as the next person, I really did, but if you're going to try and imply that it's wrong for my team to feel a level of pride for their capabilities, you're downplaying your accomplishments far worse.

The purpose of this league was/is for experienced players and arena enthusiasts to enter a league and engage in organized matches with the active playerbase that still enjoys PvP. It was not to generate new interest in the arena (as the Freedom league's intention was the year prior) - this is evident by the fact that we are not enforcing a rule in which we must play every player active and on the roster if they are available come time for officials. This is also evident by the fact that teams did not have to continue drafting until everyone had been selected.

If we are mocking the purpose of generating organized PvP matches, explain how and why we are constantly speaking with team leaders in order to get them to do practice matches during the week? Explain to how and why we lend our support and offense players to other teams in order to round out their experience while supplementing another team's line-up in order to keep matches moving smoothly?

We were the first team to start asking for practice matches, and we are consistently seeking out other teams for matches. We're the only team in the league asking for 20 minute matches, and we are the only team that is willing to go beyond an 8v8 for the sake of enjoyment. If that is mocking the purpose of what this league is intending to do, please explain what isn't. I would be more than welcome to read your expert opinion on such things, oh wise "blue collar" PvPer.

Your critical analysis of VORI vs. The Renegades, as well as Unholy's ability to be on target is laughable at best. I've target called with Unholy off of Ventrilo before due to connection issues and he was able to naturally assume what target I was going to go for and was there for each spike on a Stalker.

As far as those VORI vs. Renegades matches go, in the case of M3z, you're aware that M3z wasn't setting up Assassin Strikes at all during those matches, correct? Unholy worked almost exclusively with Volund, which is evident by the fact that in one match, Volund was the individual that closed the kills on your team.

M3z acted as pure disruption, in that he drew ridiculous amount of attention from teams while focusing on 1-2 targets when Domination was up. I'm also fairly certain that being perma-caged would not have afforded M3z the luxury of being able to capably set up AS spikes. However, the kills pulled on your team were off of ASes that Unholy snagged by predicting the movement of your team, with either Volund, Squish, or h0j following up.

If you think I don't know, I do. I played in those officials. I specifically remember your evasion tactic for Penny: fly pack to the top of the map because she was absolutely atrocious.

While I appreciate the underhanded tone that you and the rest of the Renegades have taken over the years regarding the officials against VORI, and VORI in general, and while I think it's cute that you will in one hand laud VORI as a capable villain SG while inserting yourselves into any discussion involving them whatsoever, reminding people that you guys did it best, please remember that VORI was a group of 14 year olds who screamed at eachother for 10 minutes straight on Ventrilo back when they unseated the FoL from the top spot.

In regards to your claim that 97% of villain kills in PvP were attained off of Assassin Strike, maybe for the Renegades that's the case, but having practiced and played with VORI in practices and officials for so long, I can assure you that the ridiculous amount of talented Masterminds and Corruptors garnered us more kills in matches than anything else.

Unholy being the best Stalker in the game doesn't account for the efforts of an entire team. There were plenty of critical players missing from our line-up for those officials, and we threw together who we had to in order to honor those matches. You're delusional if you're resting the successes or failures of a group on one player and one player alone.

Peril needs to put "WARE.gov" on the Wolf's chest and it's game over.

Working artist in the sense that I have made art my full time job, and draw a regular paycheck from it, or a working artist in the sense that I regularly practice a craft? What's pure nonsense is the supposition that you make on my behalf. I've been doing performance art on stage for 11 years, and that doesn't include battling. I've taken performance criticism from Professors at Juilliard. Please don't assume that I am so out of my depth in this discussion. I think it's interesting that you say that my calling you an "art snob" is a characterization of myself, yet here you are echoing the same dismissive tone. It's endearing, really.


Making a backhanded comment before stating quite simply that it, in your opinion is plain is unwarranted. Peril hasn't said that he can't take that kind of criticism. But you aren't an art director, and Peril isn't being paid or isn't looking to be paid for his work that he's barely trying to throw together on a Guildportal site. A site design like that isn't going to go into his portfolio that he's going to throw on the desk of someone that he's trying to either get a job or internship with. Be realistic and take your condescending "I have a deviantart" attitude elsewhere. Frost Elf D was a "working artist" as well, and she was practically living in a vegetative state.

By distorting, you're saying that pouring in place of dedicating is that much of a deviation from what you intended to get across in your statement? Someone's reaching.

What I find laughable is your claim that you're a "working" artist. You're a stay-at-home Dad whose wife is the sole breadwinner of the house. Again, humble yourself. It wasn't one comment that you made, it's the tone that you take throughout the entire discussion. Maybe when you're in a position where Peril will need to go to you in order to take the next step towards advancing his art career will it be necessary for you to come off as such a hot-air filled twit. But I doubt that's ever going to happen.

I'm disappointed in you for not rocking WARE.gov in your sig.

I mean, I know not repping dUmb is one thing... But c'mon.

I've met plenty of "working artists" in more than just the field of graphic design that did not echo that same attitude as the one that you have. For something that should be treated with respect (your craft, for example), it's often good to practice a little humility, which you are obviously incapable of doing.

Also, making the assumption that I'm actually pouring energy into typing words with a keyboard in an attempt to make a league a "pissing" contest is erroneous on your part.

By your logic, I can draw the conclusion that you're pouring ample amounts of energy into being terrible at a game that you've been playing for years, taking away valuable time from what you're actually good at: Being an art snob.

Corrected.

I would much rather you focus on not Soul Storming targets mid-way through spikes on your blaster, as well as put your attention towards not dying as often as you do.

We'll let Peril handle making pretty logos.

Because every guildportal design that Peril has ever done featured blocky font and a gradient, right?

Lol.