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Quote:Hmm, one thing to note about the 'test drive accounts', I think the EULA about sharing accounts would still apply.Originally Posted by Arcanaville
When they start selling a linux-based launcher in the in-game store, then you'll know.
I'm not quite sure about Premium. I'm definitely keeping my primary account subscribed. I have two others I keep around for testing and some other stuff, and I might downgrade them to Premium if I can configure them with the right Premium options. Alternatively, I might choose to keep them subscribed and add more associated premium accounts I can use for things like letting people test drive the game, having younger and somewhat unpredictable relatives goof around with CoH with me having to worry about what they'll do to the account, etc. Heck, maybe I'll make five more Premium accounts and use them to launch task forces with eight character minimums when I decide to try to solo them instead of begging for fillers. It might be the quickest way to get some of the Master badges.
On the note of multiboxing TFs, you just reminded me of someone I knew who multiboxed LRSF back in I7. -
Fun neat trick, not sure if it'll apply with CoH on Steam specifically, but it's still neat. Junctions. [Believe it's Vista + Win7 only, that said, I'm not positive]
They are awesome.
Say you have already installed a game. You later obtain on steam [say you buy another copy, it goes f2p, whatever]. Assuming the game uses the same launcher/drm [like say, most MMOs], you can stop the download in steam and prolly good idea to close steam while you do this next few parts.
Goto your steamapps/common. Make a note of the directory name that the game is installed under. Now ahead and delete the directory that it made there for the game, then goto the command prompt [runas admin] goto the steamapps common directory and use the happy fun MKLINK /J
First parameter is going to be the directory name that you just deleted.
Second will be the directory it is currently installed to.
So, let's say "MKLINK /J Cityofheroes C:\Cryptic\City of Heroes"
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Quote:Really?Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Except for the fact that your post was not the one I was responding to. Yours was just the last post before my comment about reading comprehension.
The post just before yours was this one:
Hmm, I guess that makes sense.Quote:Originally Posted by Texas Justice
My comment about reading comprehension was in response to your post. So your post was the first of the ad-hominem attacks. To quote from Wikipedia:
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Was it a typo? I've made a handful myself I know in this discussion
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Quote:Or, if when you explain to a person how what they are saying is actually a fallacy [even if it is not intended that way], you question their comprehension.Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Sure. People may infer from reading those two sentences that the food poisoning was caused by Fred's Steak Sandwiches. But it would be a false inference.
I don't think that way. I also don't talk that way.
You say that your first thought when you hear someone say something like that is to ask if they are saying that people are actually getting food poisoning from Fred's Steak sandwiches. That's a fairly reasonable reaction.
Let's take that one step farther. If the response you get from them is that they are NOT saying that, do you go on to argue with them bringing in all types of logical fallacy arguments or red herring fallacy arguments or any other arguments, even going so far as to use ad hominem to suggest that you are ill-educated for the discussion at hand?
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Quote:My initial response was simply observing a logical fallacy. It may well have not been intentional. I will say I doubted that it was unintentional because it seems really odd to be me to just randomly talk about your friends removing malware, but *shrug*. The misinterpretation from occurred because of that fallacy, which is why they need to be avoided especially if it's not intentional. If they are intentional, then the audience needs to be aware so they can critically think about the discussion at hand. People trend towards logical fallacies, we like them, we are inclined heavily towards bias, which is why it's important to be aware of them.Originally Posted by Texas Justice
I'll agree that for someone that has already interpreted one post incorrectly, that sentence could be interpreted in the manner you state. I could have worded it differently. Since you had started arguing my challenge to show where I had said that Steam was the source of the malware, I merely pointed out that combining two sentences into one still doesn't say that I'm calling Steam malware.
I'd guess that could be interpreted as me claiming you said that I had called Steam malware. It could also be interpreted as me saying that combining two sentences doesn't prove that I said something different.
It could go either way.
/shrug
I'm at a bit of a lose as to your issue with the combined sentence. It was mostly an exercise to show how those two observations were made in the same context/breadth. It didn't really change the sentence to mean what 'Steam is malware', all it was intended to do was attempt to showcase why those two observations may be seen as related. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Once again, you are reading something into my words that isn't what I said.
I've never said that you said that I believed Steam was a source of malware, that was g_masque's misinterpretation of what I said.Flat out directly stating that I'm trying to make your words say that you're calling Steam malware. If the implication wasn't that I was twisting your words to say Steam was malware, what was I trying to twist your words to say?Quote:Well. Even if you force two separate sentences and thoughts into one sentence, it doesn't make it say that I'm calling Steam malware. You would really have to twist my wording to make it say that.
That wasn't an ad-hominem, that was potentially an argument from fallacy yes. However, given I wasn't addressing your point about not liking Steam, it is actually not a fallacy. The ad-hominem I used was far later when I suggested you get a book to learn about logical fallacies, suggesting that you are ill-educated for the discussion at hand.Quote:I challenged g_masque to show me where I'd said that the malware had come from Steam.
That was when you joined the conversation with this statement:
My comment about reading comprehension was in response to your post. So your post was the first of the ad-hominem attacks. To quote from Wikipedia:
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Quote:I'd contest you started ad hominem before I did to be fair, when you 'observed' that people's reading comprehension was lacking.Originally Posted by Texas Justice
A fair statement. But let's look at what happened. Someone incorrectly interpreted my comments to be saying that Steam is the source of the malware some people had removed, something I never said. I challenged that person to show me where I had said that the malware they had removed came from Steam.
At that point, someone else joined the conversation and started their ad hominem attacks (reiella's own words, not mine) on what I'd said.
I've merely repeated my supposition, that one shouldn't read any words into what I've said except for the words I've said. Had I intended to say that I believe that Steam is a source of malware, I'd have said it in those words. Those weren't my words. The fact that 2 people misinterpreted it to mean that is due to them trying to read something into the posts that simply isn't there.
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Quote:Actually, it does make it a logical fallacy. Most of time, especially on boards, folks don't really realize or even care when they are used. Vast majority of time they don't actually amount to any sort of point being drawn. However, they can, especially when you use loaded remarks. I don't think further examples will really serve any point beyond approaching to inflammatory examples to get through why the framing of the statements is a logical fallacy, so *shrug*.Originally Posted by Texas Justice
People often make comments in threads that are not relevant to the topic at hand. That doesn't make them a fallacy. It merely makes them a comment by the poster.
People trying to misinterpret and twist what others say into being something else is the only fallacy being exercised here.
If you really don't get why it's a logical fallacy though, I'd suggest really a better source than message boards if you really want to get it.
And yes, this is a bit of an ad-hominem attack [interestingly enough, most of the time you call someone out for using logical fallacies, it's a logical fallacy in itself, especially on message boards as opposed to more structured discourse].
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Quote:So you simply mentioned that your friends remove malware for no reason relevant to the topic at hand. Which would be more of a red herring fallacy, I will concede.Originally Posted by Texas Justice
I made an observation about friends of mine. Another thought about those same people occurred to me so I added it to the post.
Sometimes one thought brings up another thought. That doesn't mean that they can't be stated in the same post. It just mean that two separate thoughts were stated.
It also doesn't mean that the second observation is linked by anything more than the fact that it is discussing the same group of people. -
Quote:Then why mention they remove really nasty malware?Originally Posted by Texas Justice
It's two observations about some people I know. Nothing more. You are trying to make it say something that was not the intent of the post.
I could bring up the price those technicians paid for flash drives and it wouldn't make it fallacious, even though it would be an observation that is irrelevant to both of the other observations. It would merely be 3 separate observations about the same group of people. -
Quote:To be fair, the twist was removing some more of the loaded language in your post, and simply changing the program in question to City of Heroes instead of Steam.Originally Posted by Texas Justice
You can twist my words all you want and try to say I'm saying something that I'm not.
That doesn't change the fact that I've not said what you are saying I've said.
You may have incorrectly inferred that I implied something, but that doesn't mean that I've said that thing. It means your inference was wrong.
The fallacy is yours, not mine.
You acknowledge that the second observation is separate from the first. The second observation is irrelevant to the first, that is what makes it fallacious to bring up in a discussion.Quote:Originally Posted by Texas Justice
There are quite a few people I know that refuse to install the crapware Steam Client on their computers. Oddly, all are computer technicians that have had to remove some really nasty malware from multiple computers. -
Quote:Two separate observations both in the same message, one of which either has absolutely no relevance or is posing a logical fallacy.Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Now see, there we get to it. Nothing in my sentence was bragging about having computer tech friends that remove malware. It was two separate observations about a group of friends.
Just to shift the implication around, let's change Steam with say City of Heroes.
There are quite a few people I know that refuse to install City of heroes on their computers. Oddly, all are computer technicians that have had to remove some really nasty malware from multiple computers.
The second remark holds no real relevance, hence why it's a logical fallacy to be included in a discussion about City of Heroes. -
Quote:Your second statement depends on the first statement to exist. Or else you are referencing an undefined 'they'. So, let's go ahead and combine your second statement, that's supposed to be taken alone with appropriate nouns make explicit.Originally Posted by Texas Justice
People need to learn reading comprehension skills. Two separate sentences, two separate thought processes.
People are trying to read things into my posts, again, that are not what I'm stating.
The only thing that should ever be read into my posts that isn't explicitly stated is sarcasm.
Oddly, I know quite a few computer technicians that have to remove really nasty malware from multiple computers who refuse to install the crapware Steam Client on their computers.
That is the statement being drawn into question. If that is not what you meant, it is not the reading comprehension of the second party that should be questioned it is the ability of yourself to communication that needs to be questioned.
That said, I don't think it's a case of you just wanting to brag about having computer technician friends who remove really nasty malware from multiple computers. I think it is more a case of utilizing a logical fallacy. -
Quote:No, you instead used a logical fallacy to associate Steam with technicians having to remove really nasty malware. Your remark about the several people you know who refuse to install Steam being computer technicians who through the course of their job, had to remove malware from computer is irrelevant.Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Please show me anywhere in my posts where I said that the malware they had removed from people's computers came from Steam.
Additionally, it's irrelevant that the people you know who refuse to install Steam being computer technicians. -
Quote:One thing to mention though, no matter the reward structure, as long as the primary reward is given for a Successful Completion, the reward structure will grant a greater benefit to those who are better players for their time investment. When you get the same reward if the trial takes 40minutes or 20minutes, you're going to prefer groups that will only take 20 minutes, have less risk and all that.Originally Posted by Snow Globe
I mean that I've run into this attitude too often to think it doesn't happen:
All your post does, rian_frostdrake, is cover your ears and go "LALALALALALALA- I CAN'T HEAR YOU." to the problem. Yes, there are PUG Trials, but they are trending fewer. Closed leagues are becoming more predominant.
To be fair, Uberguy acknowledges that it is an ugly though process:
The thing is, that ever since Issue 20 went into open beta, this attitude has been a driving force for the league locks (ie the attitude of "I don't want to play with people I don't know, because we're not as efficient."), and it has disgusted me since it was brought up. It is getting worse.
Now there is a fair point that league success variables would be the tipping point for individuals to become exclusionary. -
Quote:Not much is really known, there's a thread about in the dev's corner by Baronyx though.Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
What counts as 'participation'?
I'm assuming attacking mobs must count. Buffing team mates? Toggles? Use of Sprint/movement powers?
Eco
The idea, in general, is doing stuff that is helpful. Turning toggles on and off, no, doesn't count. Having big heal/damage numbers, no doesn't help. [Add] Tagging mobs doesn't count either, so it's more important to be active than spazzing out the tab button.
Given that it only impacts the 10 thread count issue, it's prolly best not to worry about it unless you're getting it.
The lack of information regarding it is frustrating, but somewhat understandable as they don't want people to try to game it. While I would really personally like a gauge of some sort to give indications, I'm mixed on the idea of introducing more spam to the UI in trials. -
Quote:Yes, if your character [individually] fails to participate sufficiently you get a reward table with the option of 10 incarnate threads.Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
There's a thread reward in the end-of-trial reward table?
Eco
It should generally only show up if you're door sitting or miss a significant portion of the trial. However, 'should' and does are different things, for some characters their playstyles lend the system to think they're not really participating when they really are. The 20.5 patch improved on this a bit, so in theory the 'false positives' should go down.
I personally didn't have a problem with getting past the 10 thread table on my Bots/Traps MM, but I know Snow Globe had more than a few incidents that really ruffled them. -
Quote:Snow was referring to the thread table reward, not threads from defeats in the Trial.Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
I don't understand why you didn't get any threads, Snow. I get around 4-6 threads every time I do the BAF, on top of any Astrals and component drops.
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Amusing, but I really feel the need to clarify something, that I hope Z didn't get too misled on. The song he sings isn't really vulgar. It's simply asking if you want to sleep with the person. Ya it's suggestive, but it's not using 'M for Mature' language [or I guess PEGI 18 language].
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Quote:Then you can wait for the content to arrive in another means. It's unfortunate, sure. Although it is kind of odd that you don't can't PC Gamer US, even in my podunk town, our book store actually carries both PC Gamer US and UK.Originally Posted by Dr_MechanoEU
Like I said, I get why they've done it...doesn't mean I have to like it, as I said, it screws over UK/Europe people. We can't even BUY the damn thing, I wouldn't mind if both the US and UK version had that but if it doesn't...then well there's sweet bugger all us EU peeps can do to see the pictures.
Well apart from going to a certain other city of heroes fan forum that would allow scans to put up. -
It's a living environment story. It's not a desired factor to have all the questions answered. By leaving some questions open it allows for further exposition to occur, and also gives areas for the players to insert themselves into the story.
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Quote:Ah ok, I know some magazine release their issues stupid early for some reason. Just hadn't seen one that early beforeOriginally Posted by Aggelakis
The website says August issue, I'm sure the OP misspoke (mistyped)..
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November Issue of PC Gamer is out already? That's just weird to me.
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Quote:It could be interesting, especially since there is more spatial arrangement going on with Keyes than slaughterfesting.Originally Posted by Schismatrix
The average inf and iXP per minute would also be interesting; especially since i suspect that Keyes will also show a much lower rate of iXP and inf gain.
(Unfortunately iXP is very badly borked right now, so that will have to wait. i have Brute who has run at least nine trials in the last two weeks and has yet to unlock a single power. i already had slotted the Alpha before i started running the trials.)
Perhaps thread count instead?Quote:Originally Posted by Leandro
I can't gather iXP stats because my characters already have everything unlocked. I don't have the patience to wait for iXP, I just burn Threads into iXP. I could gather Influence gains, though; but I never cared much about influence gains from defeating enemies. The market is where all the influence is at. -
Quote:I tend to zoom out. Can usually see the animation for nova fist. And can certainly see the particle effects from it [but then again, my system lets me play at fairly good settings in raids].Originally Posted by Canine
See, I can't play with the sound off. I use the sound to give me information on what's happening behind me.
Beating up Freaks and hear a zapping sound behind me? Rezzer. (or a /elec blaster turning on Lightning Field... that's gotten me more than a few times when I was Ice/Ice tanking regularly for a friends Elec/Elec blaster...)
Lambda sector, how do you know when Nova fist has gone off? Wait for the sound effect, since you can't see Marauder through the effects.
etc. etc.
Now all I need is for the devs to re-enable the damn 3d sound option in the game so I can go back to properly using positional audio cues...