kamikrazy

You seem more than capable of using mids and you don't actually want advice so I don't see a reason to pursue this avenue.

FWIW I know a thing or two about min/maxing. You're welcome to disregard what I say and chalk it up to your superior knowledge and handwave away what I'm saying, but then again you can just take a look at the rikti pylon thread.

The top 2 toons are all mine and they sit well above everything else. They can both devour things like the cim wall, solo ITF, multiple AV's at the same time, +3 versions of most AV's, GM's, run +4/x8 of most enemy types (+2/x8 of everything I've tried). When it comes to min/maxing and unlocking potential of a toon I'll put my skills up against anyone in this game.

I respect that you've spent countless hours on your ma/sr, but at the same time you posted asking about min/maxing the toon. I'm flat out telling you that the biggest in game gains you can get with that toon based on where you have gotten it to so far are with hasten and increasing your aoe damage. If you want to interpret that as me suggesting you reroll as a farming toon then you are free to do that, but I wasn't.

Even if I were to sit down and design an ma/sr for you it will be disregarded because you are approaching the game in a fundamentally different way. You don't actually want a min/max build (well unless you are going for minimum rate of killing things against the maximum inf you can spend), you just want a build given the specific conceptual confines of your playing preferences. There is really nothing min/max about what you are asking for because you are missing half the equation when it comes to min/maxing. Not a big deal, but you are setting everyone up to fail at the task you laid out. So congratulations I guess?

FWIW you also disregarded what Silverado said and he is probably the most noted min/maxer on these boards and has been doing absurd things with numerous different AT's for ages now. So you have two of the more recognized min/maxers telling you the same thing. So either we're both wrong or you aren't actually looking to min/max your toon. Since it is the latter, then I don't really have anything else to offer you. But if you ever want to actually min/max that toon, or any other (and I happen to be around) I'll gladly assist however I can.

I think what Silverado will say if he takes the time to type it out is similar to what I'm about to say.

You have the same weakness that many people on these boards (and in game) exhibit. It's that once you have a strong chain that is governed by animation time you feel that additional recharge isn't of much value.

DPS is only one measure of your actual damage dealing ability. It is one that is overused primarily because it is so easy to quantify, but in actuality it doesn't play that large of a role in the majority of encounters.

Players that abide by 'dps' chains in actual play stick out like a sore thumb to me. Their combat inflexibility is very visible. The vast majority of encounters are resolved best with burst aoe and/or moderate duration burst st damage; assuming one has tailored the scenario to their strengths. Granted some people do take their st toons into encounters better suited to an aoe focus, but they recognize that they are handicapped and/or they will attempt to leverage whatever aoe they have to help out the situation.

From the rikti pylon thread, sitting at over 100 dps more than the highest scrapper:
409 Illusion/Cold/Ice Controller - Frosticus

Controllers are rated as "low" damage at character creation. I know there are lots of examples of people IO'ing "low" damage characters until they are easily considered "high" damage by the standards of this game. The above is just the most blatant example I've come across.

This is misleading imo. You can IO out a blaster so it has high defense to a single type or vector (ie s/l or ranged), but that still leaves them with gaping holes in their protection. Certainly a large gain in performance under restricted conditions, but is it as large of a gain as other AT's get that start with higher mitigation? If blasters benefit tremendously then do other AT's benefit super tremendously?

This can certainly work, but just be aware that the 'tough' targets don't slow easily so many of them will successfully chase you around that corner and take a swing or two before PA gets their attention again.

Usually not a huge issue, but it can ruin you pretty quick if it is someone like honoree or statesman that tends to mez with most attacks. A landed mez will drop a huge portion of your def and probably get you killed. Though you can just pop an insp or two and keep on sailing, but at the same time ill/cold is so strong it should probably disable the insp tray
The fear is still pretty effective even with the rain on their head. The sizable tohit debuff helps keep everyone else safe (even if you are softcapped) and it can help out a bit against AV's if you aren't softcapped to some damage type or get debuffed even with it being reduced by 85%. It will also help keep phantasm alive against normal spawns considering he is now a melee pet these days...
I too like cj on a s/l build. On a hovering troller I like ranged def and psy mastery for mez protection and psy def.
You can have 2 slots to play with if you push the stealth IO into sprint. Not much of a concern when you are typically capped on recovery due to HL.

This is true. However, if you are using the controls that make things safe you may as well just play a dominator and have more control and depending on the combo - more damage.

Ah I see now. You are trying to build an AV solo'ing build because that (well EB's and up) is about the only place you are going to be employing drawn out attack chains and factoring buildup as an average buff over time...

Now if you are looking for a build that is playing other parts of the game then indeed having your highest dpa attacks up more often can be a tremendous increase in performance. At the same time having attacks up that eleminate foes in the least number of moves (not necessarily the same as best dpa) can be of benefit.

The former is self explanatory, but the latter I'll use an example. If you could have killed something with CAK had it been recharged, but instead because you dismissed the benefits of hasten you need to use storm+crane (which together still average better dpa than CAK) you just slowed yourself down.

If however, you are only planning on fighting huge sacks of hp, then it might be best to just ask for AV solo'ing advice. Just a thought.

I guess... But since no one has suggested to focus "purely" on aoe damage you are off base with your comment...

If you are however looking for a min/max ma/sr that focuses on ST damage even when the aoe it could do would be a better choice then again you may want to focus your questions more to something like:
Help me min/max my st focus concept build ma/sr.

I say "concept build" because you have taken most of the st attacks, which is largely unwarranted if your goal is min/maxing.

Of course if you are ST focus then it begs the question of why even bothering to include DT unless it is an IO mule? If you are including DT because it is a quality attack when there are multiple foes then it seems a bit...well hypocritical...to then say you aren't looking to improve your aoe capabilities.

I'm of the conviction that there is little purpose to overbuilding survivability at the cost of kill speed. Dead things don't do damage to you. Finding the balance point is the challenge, which imho you've shot way short of simply for more paper survivability. Which again, unless you meant to ask for an AV spec build?

Unfortunately the vast majority of the game isn't played with "average build up time" or drawn out dps chains. I'm sure you know as well as anyone that the game is set up with tight little clusters of enemies that are conveniently spaced out from each other. This configuration benefits burst* damage more than it values dps, or averaged out burst damage buffs.

*where burst is defined as a shortish output of damage that defeats the group as quickly as possible with little concern for chain-ability because you know there will be x amount of downtime before you face the next spawn.

Knocking ~10 sec off of buildup is a huge benefit when you face spaced out groups because it can alter your entire rhythm.

In a scenario where you constantly faced a flow of enemies (or an AV) then yes you are absolutely right that buid up's average damage buff isn't nearly as spectacular as many believe. But that isn't how the majority of enemies are configured.

If you are looking for an AV spec that is still good at the rest of the game then that is the question to ask. If you are looking for an build that excels at the rest of the game but can still take on AV's then increasing your aoe output and adding hasten are the biggest advantages that your already heavily IO'd build can add.

You don't have to take the advice, but I just want to make sure you understand what you are passing up. Your comments about the buff of buildup averaged over time and drawn out dps chains, causes me to worry that you might be doing too much paper analysis and not enough analysis of what actually happens in the game outside of fighting sacks of hp, or the elusive never ending ambush of enemies.

Hasten means more use of buildup and more use of better dpa attacks and/or aoe's.

In this case the OP has a ~39 sec rech on build up. Hasten would knock that down to ~29. In terms of min/maxing a build you can't lay claim to the 'maxing' aspect without hasten if your build has any powers that improve performance and are recharge based (which is pretty much every toon in the game I imagine).

Or when in a situation killing multiple enemies (ie most of the game) hasten will have DT recharging every ~5.5 sec as opposed to every ~7.5. That is a notable improvement in performance. One that is likely more substantial than any additional IO tweaks that can be done to an already heavily IO'd build.

If you have a 'good' build, it will always be 'better' with hasten.

With specific regard to the OP's build it looks like a ton of inf resulting in a very survivable /sr, but not a particularly offensive /sr. I'd probably take a minor hit in survivability and add a ton more offense by picking up hasten (as mentioned by Silverado) and energy torrent, or take a little larger hitby picking up hasten and fireball.

Unless you are specifically looking to play on /x1 settings then AoE starts to become more and powerful. Or you are looking for a single target killer (maybe AV's) in which case unless you are determined to use a ma/sr I'd suggest about 50 or so builds better suited to it that will do it faster, safer, and for a lot less inf.

This sounds a lot like some of the witch tests in the good ole days.

Maybe we should tie some rocks onto AF, if he sinks he's innocent and if he floats we'll hang him as a witch. Either way he's dead...

What is actually the case here is that some pvp IO's (recipe or crafted) are cheaper than celerity (recipe or crafted) when you compare them. Some pvp IO's are more expensive.

The information I take away from that is that running stealth IO's are fairly popular and some pvp IO's, despite extreme rarity (compared to all other IO's), are unpopular.

Inferring anything beyond that is a stretch. That said, I'm pretty flexible, so I can further infer that rarity is not always tied to function. I think this is a safe conclusion that is evidenced in normal IO's, but very apparent in pvp IO's.