brophog02

This is an observation: I saw a purple flower on Thursday.
This is an argument: Purple flowers only appear on Thursdays.

I'm making no larger commentary with this post:

That quote should be taken by anyone as the personal, empirical observation that it was presented as. I make no claim to anything bigger than that. My observation that the number appears rather small may not be reflective of the overall picture. It may not be in agreement with other observations. I'm making no claims that it is or is not, I am making one empirical observation.

Similarly:

Observation: I observed a person put a recipe on the market gained through AFK farming.
Argument: AFK farming is the primary source for recipes on the market.

This has been very specifically defined in this thread. Please re-read.

I'm not attempting to provide proof in that post, nor am I making an argument in that post. I'm denoting an observation, therefore there is no irony to be had in that statement.

You can do it with 3 Recharge SOs total..........

But don't listen to me, I don't know what I'm talking about.

In theory, perhaps. That's a heckuva scenario to try to prove though, particularly when the price cap is really only coming into play on a couple of recipes.

Recipes of all sorts have been sold without the market since the very beginning, but that number always seems rather small (empirically) in relation to the size of the market.

Exactly. Excellent point.

Yeah, definitely not trolling.

Yep, on both accounts.

True, slotting won't "give you knockback" but it will change the magnitude and distance they fly, and that can be helpful if you're using those powers more for mitigation than damage.

I curse at thee, Television! Is it bad enough our Canuck friends only see the sun twice a year! Viva la Canuck!

After the purple patch, there isn't enough of the debuff left to even count..........

Listen to everyone else.........it is a completely pointless power on Blasters.

Blasphemy!

That is because of the way activation works in this game. This is a good tip for any two powers you want to queue up into one another. Two knockback powers, for instance, can be queued up in this manner and even though it appears the mobs are separated they are indeed all hit with both powers, provided they would have been had neither done knockback.

It is the same reason "jousting" works, for instance. It is very, very handy for a variety of toons.

Yeah!

It's 22 minutes, not 30. Television is greedy and steals your content for money.

That is the author's example. The thread title is clear as day:

"Are prices dropping."

The content of the first post is very clear as well:

"Could they have an effect on the Market?"

The conversation has been dominated by one class of items, to this point, based on one possible explanation over one possible class of items, but the question remains.

We haven't done a good job establishing facts. We haven't established that prices are indeed dropping, but instead have only listed one low ball bid on one item and made the assumption that it is sound evidence for that conclusion. That item also happens to have several second hand sources that say it is bought for several times the author's quoted amount in direct exchange to bypass the inf cap. (As of this writing, there are none available on the market and the last 5 bids on both recipe and crafted IO are all inf capped.) We haven't established the exact role AFK farming has on items such as PVPIOs, but we're all fairly certain AFK farming does take place for them. We haven't really looked at any other factors.

I'm in this thread for only one and only one reason, and it is because we're treating assumptions as finality. If we can't even come to the agreement that prices are indeed dropping for only one class of item, how can we possibly draw such rock solid conclusions?

That quote is indeed a possible logical conclusion to a possible observation. That guarantees nothing. Every good hypothesis is going to be based on a logical conclusion to a possible observation. Testing and real evidence is needed to decide if that is actually what is happening.

No. Any form of farming not specifically AFK farming would be deemed another procurement method.

I've been extremely specific on that qualification throughout this thread.

The statement is very specific. It is a question of if the current AFK farming practices are indeed strong enough to be impacting the market in a fashion to drive down prices.

As can be seen in plain English right here:

This is where this thread has a problem of contradictive information.

Your statement:

The statement that started my inclusion in this thread, which I remind everyone is about prices dropping:

Those statements clearly do not jive. One insinuates the price per unit is rising and the other insinuates it is falling. I'm asking, and only asking, for evidence that it is dropping due to AFK Farming (and specifically AFK farming, rather than any other method).

That statement also does not jive with the following statement, which insinuates that certain people or playing on certain servers would be required connections to gain the methodology. From this thread alone, one could say that is in error, given this thread has repeated the methodology.

As you can see, just because lots of people say things does not mean they agree with one another. There are other examples of information in this thread that contradicts other information in this thread. I'm simply a catalyst to get folks to express what they feel are the "correct" ideas. My "obtuse thinking" is specifically done in order to not lead people into giving certain answers, which as you can see in this thread alone is done a lot so that people can "win" arguments.

Your question of the definition of efficiency is simple:

Is current AFK Farming methods efficient enough to cause the prices in the market to have been recently driven downward?

I'm not making the assumptions......my role in this thread is to be the one that can say that. Other people make assumptions and I request evidence to verify it.

Remember, this is a market related question that involves a very specific method of acquiring a specific item.

You've seen the prices drop due to AFK farming and you can verify that correlation? Great. Provide us the proof then.

(If you are instead trying to verify that AFK farming takes place......great.....see list of things we already know are occurring.)

No, the rep timer is not irrelevant, due to your own "Fact #1". If it were irrelevant, then all kills would count and you could speed the process up a great deal.

It therefore also cannot be fast because there is a very fixed limit on the maximum number per hour the process could generate.

It is effortless, but that does not necessarily make it efficient in regards to other procurement methods.

We're filled with witches, monkeys flying out of your %%**, lying "wizards" and midgets?

I think you have the metaphor backwards.

I'm unaware of such changes, and given how powerful it was before suppression was implemented, I'm highly suspect that they would revert it to that state.

Playing the game is dealing with those situations.......it is the rules of this particular game.

You are not prevented from playing, instead you are asking to play a different game because you do not like the rules of this one. This one does have power depletion and mezzing. In fact, those are central core elements to this particular game.

I suggest you find a game more suiting to you wants in which you don't lose your powers. Super Mario Bros comes to mind, although I'd avoid those goombas. I hear they take away your fire flowers when they touch you.