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Because as "large" as our playbase is, its twiddle sticks compared to the potential playerbase for western Tolkien middle eastern fantasy console mmos.

When it comes to super hero mmos theres nothing to...aspire to. Both the current super hero mmos can only be described as....."alive" (although DCOU is getting player housing soon)
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any potential publisher or developer looking at making a new super hero mmo is just going to look at those two flops and assume that there isn't any money in it

But what exactly is the end goal here

embarrass NCsoft until they hire everyone back?

I understand the concern to show NCsoft they can't treat companies and consumers like this but...I severely doubt they care.

Knowing Whedon that's his actual zombie apocalypse stockpile.

True. With all the improvements the devs added to the system, it's sometimes easy to forget that City of Heroes is older than World of Warcraft. If only by a few months.

But, you know, I don't think that applies to MMO's anymore. No longer to MMOs get better with age. With everyone and their mom pumping out MMOs every year to try and get a slice of the pie, not a single new MMO has any...staying power. No publisher is going to accept the "but it will get better eventually" business model. They want money, and they want it quickly. And if an MMO doesn't provide what they think it should it gets the F2P stamp, then it gets skeleton crews as the good devs are moved to another MMO.


And with that, I don't think Champions Online is going to get any "better". Sure, new costumes might be released once a year. They might get some new shiny (but buggy) missions, or new powers. But the game itself is never going to evolve or improve the way older games like CoH or WoW did.

Well. once you play the first mission chain for the 50th time (since there's only one, and no DFB to use to skip to the more interesting stuff) you dont need to read the text.

I've made so many characters I have every mission, every map, every bug of Kodiaks arc memorized, and one a good soloable toon I can do it in the mentioned ~20 minutes. Give or take some time when I get depressingly bored of it.


Of course, thats with a soloable toon. Others take longer. Anything ranged thats not focused on high burst damage is a pain. Buffers are a pain. Surprisingly the Superstrength AT is sort of a pain since it's better powers come later. *shrugs*

It's not that noticeable in the beginning city, and I didn't have much trouble with it in the Desert, they still respawned quickly, but the mobs were spread out enough to hinder it hurting you.


Canada, on the other hand, is a nightmare because of it. Especially in the base areas.

Sounds like the entire MMO market right now.

Which pretty much describes most MMOs now, unfortunately. So much that I dread any new MMO releases.

Eh, I think it's time to just put up my cape (or, in Seismecca's case, Leather Jacket? ) roleplaying super villains was fun, and I'd rather not spoil those memories by having to suffer through a game I don't particularly enjoy just because it has the same subject matter. I'd much rather spend my time waiting for Star Citizen.

cel-shading =/= outlines


Celshading is well......the shading. Hence the name. It's the blocky shading that makes everything look even more plastic than it already is. Admittedly, it's not as much of a problem on the highest graphic setting, but if you're stuck on a machine that can't run the highest it doesn't really matter.


Speaking of outlines, I don't even think the developers like it. I've never seen an advertisement with the outlines on, or any piece of ingame footage with it on. So I'm not really sure why its default mode is on.

I can hate CO while liking more than one game at a time. SW:TOR is going pretty well for me outside of a few hiccups. TSW is pretty good too. And hell, WoW is popular for a reason.

Seriously, just because I hate CO doesn't mean I'm hating every game but CoH just to make it look "better".

It just happens to be...well..an incredibly ****** substitute for CoH.

And bad game in general.

I've already pointed out how the majority of powers in most powersets are completely un-required to play. Or how the only repeatable content is Alerts, or how the game really isn't rigged for teaming outside of Alerts. Hideouts and indoor enviroments have an incredibly low population bar making supergroup meetings near impossible. (or the fact that the only way to access the crew menu for supergroups is by traveling allll the way back to the building in the city) Or how the fact that CO has two textures, plastic and shiny plastic. Or the bad jokes. Or how EVERY mission is a parody of something. Or the very first master villain being a racist asian stereotype that can't pronounce Millennium City because it has L's in it. Or the fact that the QA team seems to be staffed by rocks with faces painted on them, as tickets and bugs sit for months at a time, only to be fixed, then reintroduced with the next patch. Or how, even though travel powers use a separate menu, and a separate power point system, you still have to retrain EVERYTHING to change travel powers.

None of these points are to make "CoH look better", they're just major flaws and detriments to players who aren't already hooked on the game. I wouldn't play CO even if I hadn't played CoH first.

So please, don't lump every complaint with "oh, they're just complaining because it's different than their old game".

Pretty much. The lack of any real... deterrent from using the same power repeatedly pretty much kills any strategy. I can count the number of powers I've seen with any sort of cooldown on one hand. Or any powers that required any "set up" of any kind, like some of the later CoH powersets. There's pretty much no reason to have any more than 2 offensive powers.

Wow that's...kinda boring. I've never been a big fan of angels, especially not the idealized bishounen men in armor with big wings ones. It's like the enemies are getting less creative and cool as the plot goes on.


Let me guess, in the end we would have had to form a 40 man raid in order to sit down and listen to the word of the lord. Or maybe read some literature?



Reminds me of that time the Punisher had magic angel guns. I dont like remembering that.

Oh god this. Even within sets there are so many "flavor" powers that you take just for concepts (and because you have to take something). *Note: That "Flavor power" is used, and was created by the CO community, so it's not just a personal opinion.

Take the Earth power set. Literally the first power you can pick out of the tutorial is Tremor. A ranged, AoE, supreme damage attack that kills most mobs (including lieutenants) with two hits. Has no cool-down, uses minimal energy, and has incredible knock-up, meaning that most mobs cant even get up by the time you line up the second attack.

I used this attack. And solely this attack, from level 8-30. And at level 30 I finally picked up a single damage attack that did slightly more damage than tremor with the right buffs. Although I still kept Tremor as my staple attack.

What an incredibly boring 22 levels that was.

Not....really. Maybe a better graphic system.

But CO only has two textures, plastic and shiny plastic.

I loved the metal textures in CoH, but the "metal" textures in CO look worse than Morrowind's enchanted items.

The problem is that CO doesn't even try to use its graphic system to full effect, probably because of it's "comic book" theme. If CO had graphics like Startrek Online (which uses the same exact system) I'd play it more. Their faces look like faces, their eyes are actually proportioned to their heads, and their clothing textures look like..get this....cloth.

In the end, even if it has "better graphics"


the textures still look like ****

leave cliche 80's movies out of this!

Oh no doubt. Even if the Leviathan was just as large as Sharkhead, the sheer act of rising up would destroy every island, and most of the east coast of the United States with tidal waves.

Oh yeah, if one of the larger blue whale measured was ~90-100 feet long, with eyes the size of teacups (say, 5-6 inches wide? I dont drink tea)

then compared to that eye (which I'm guesstimating is what? another 90 feet?) then that means the Leviathan is somewhere around 30,000 feet long. which is somewhere around 5 and a half miles. It really depends on what you consider a "tectonic plate" but it will definitely take out all of sharkhead if it woke up.


*disclaimer. I am horrible at math so take everything math related I say with a grain of salt.

thats pretty much the only selling point for me


being that my title character Seismecca went from a squishy rock dom to an invulnerable earth tank/brute/ranged earthquake generator

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe a dev stated that CO will 'never' get the Foundry. Of course, the only CO dev quotes I could dig up were posts about how easy it would be to add it...in May 2011. So take that what you will.



And yeah, the Alley fight, and just to see where the "That escalated quickly" (you know, the one everyone was posting the day of the shutdown announcement) meme came from.

They're about the same, just depends on which you find funnier. 70's news reporters, or Nascar drivers.

It's actually one of his funnier movies