VictoriaHunt_EU

I don't care what others do, unless it has negative affect to this games future, also the consequences of those action can be seen by everyone. Example, chat broadcasting in Atlas, higher level players who don't have clue about the game, economy go skyhigh because so much inf. Mmorpgs are social games and people can't hide behind saying: "What you care what I do", if you can end in same team with me. People don't seem to like when someone say, You actions affects others, when it's agaist what they love. This was the same talk what was done long time ago with PvP vs PvE situation. Other players doing does affect in mmorpgs, unless they play totally alone.

In my opinion, why not make so that every AE house has max mob limits based zone they are. So, example in Atlas the AE mobs can't be higher than 5 + difficulty + team size settings. This way the lvl 50's doesn't end in Atlas to powerlevel new players. If veteran player wants to PLing people, they can go to higher level zone like PI and do it. That doesn't really affect so much new players gameplay. If lvl 50 wants to do AE mission in Atlas, that's fine, because he would be auto Sked to lvl 5 character.

Actually not all people love to farm or get to 50 as fast as possible. There is still alot of roleplayers and people who like the journey of game, it's story and theme of superhero.

How ever, I don't think it's good idea to take AE's out. Mostly because MA also has good side. The negative affect to new people just should be eliminated one way or other. On of the best feature in MA is that old players who has seen so much can have something new and challenging. Too bad this hardly happens at all, because the "reward" issues.

Few other comment what has come here in other posts...

First the farming it self or powerleveling isn't big issue, untill it becomes very popular and common game play. Farming because affect to economy and teaming. Mostly because some farmers don't care how they fill they teams to get max mob spawn size or who they are PLing with they farming. So, they can end "accidently" inviting lower level new players. That's not good at all.

As for powerleveling, I don't support this much at all. I can understand it when some experience veteran is doing it, because they know what they are doing. How ever, new player should allmost never powerlevel, unless the player type in general is powerleveler.

In general the biggest problem in MA is that it's in Atlas and it allows so extreme way to new players to level up. New players should enjoy the Cox content as much they can, not just become PLers, because some veterans are. This is not does powerleveling or farming exist, it's about how openly it is now done example in Atlas and it's affect to new players. Does developers support it or not isn't the point, they game system speaks behave of them, was it intended or not.

Yes, I met lvl 20 player with 3 travel power and only 2 primary power. This has allways happen. It's not the question does it happen, it's the question does game system support it to happen. More and more new players will be in higher level and don't even know how to play they characters, because they end in MA doing farm missions.

I don't leave CoX because MA is affecting me, MA's affect is minimal, but it does affect as I'm PuG player. Meaning harder to get team and harder to get good players in teams. Good player means, someone who knows how to play they character. I'm leaving CoX because I don't want to support it with my money, because now CoX is openly supporting farming and powerleveling. It's about changing the player base from one to other.

In my opinion worst stuff in MA is the affect what it can have in new players. Meaning new players in powerleveling and farming teams in Atlas zone. Old veteran players at least knows what they are doing, but new players can miss hole real old story content because AE missions. Basicly new players can get totally wrong image what CoX is all about.

So, it's more about not supporting the direction of CoX.

My account is allready close, week left to game play. REASON to my account be closed is MA. Do You think I'm only one who has left this game because MA?

You have your opinion, have a nice day. I only say goodbye the old good CoX and welcome farmers and powerlevelers CoX.

Yes it was, but was it this common that it is now?

I played the old CoX over 3 years. So don't come to say me that I don't see the major shift in playing style. People like me, who actually liked the old CoX are leaving because MA.

To CHOOSE something they have to be equal desired.

1. AE missions, no level limits, in normal mission levels does limit, even with SK system.
2. AE missions allows like 10 times faster leveling.
3. AE missions doesn't require traveling

To have CHOISE they have to be equal desired, do you think they are?

Farming and powerleveling allways exist, no-one here is denying it. It's just question, what is dominate game playing style. The old story related CoX is dying. New Cox is all about farming and powerleveling. CoX has never been farmer and powerlevels paradise, before MA. Just because it exist in EVERY mmorpgs, doesn't mean game is design for it. It's not about can you do it, it about how common it is in the game. Little like 10% player doing it or 50% player base doing it.

Like You and me sayed, these stuff is depending players own view points.

How ever, this and many other threads about AE problems, would not even exists if there would not be something wrong. You are powerleveler and farmer, so you view point isn't surprise. I'm just sad that so many player looks they own needs and doesn't think what's good for the game in long run. Because CoX is becoming joke, farmers and powerlevelers paradise. I use to recommend CoX in other forums as good game, I don't do it anymore.

What's Personal Salvage Safe? Crafted item?

PS: In my SG has only one player and that's me. So, no-one else has access to my base.

It's not just about exp, but actually challenge for good team. Meaning you can actually die. Lvl 53's are pretty easy.

Because with AE, they gonna level 10 times faster and get bored with game 10 time faster. That's the problem here.

You really think they would not have fun with doing old content? You really think that AE content is only way to have fun?

It's not about do YOU have fun, it's about how long this game survive if developers does make this game fast food game.
This is wrong, never suggest anyone quit because sertain game content. AE should be addional content to players to have fun, it should not affect anyone else ability have fun. This is about balance, old content vs new AE content. AE content should be option as giving something new and interesting for players who has done it all. Now AE content gives so much faster leveling for new players, than why would they even try old content?

Of course, but we aren't talking just old player, what about new players?

Do they play the old content or do they just play AE content?

If the new content isn't better, but it's new and interesting, then it's okey. But if it offers faster way to level and better "rewards". Then the "new" content is luring players to play the "new" content and leaves others without teams, because old content doesn't seem so good anymore in eyes of new players. I ques this is more like is the content in balance? Question is like does MA add new content or did it replace the old content too, because it's more rewarding and faster.
It's not about did players get bored before. It's the question how fast new players will get bored to this game.

Like above, it's not question does farming or powerleveling exist. It's the question how fast the powerleveling is now and how common the farming is. Meaning, how does it affect the games future and is this right direction to go?

Half hour?

I get you point, but good missions last from 30min to 2 hours. Traveling between missions by using travel powers takes about 5 minute.

Different is like having fast food or good meal. Sure, we can make games where traveling isn't needed at all, so no need for travel power. We can put all enemies in line and same spot, so easyer to kill. How ever, when people talk about have to work, they mean that when player has achieve something, they feel good about it. If game is just easy and fast, it doesn't have the feeling that it's worth of players time.

There is both posive and negatives in AE's.

Positives:

1. More challenging missions and maybe even possibility for new missions.
2. Higher level players can easyly to get in AE teams
3. Player can design missions and create new looking missions.

Negative:

1. Allows extreme fast powerleveling, what can cause faster burn out of players (bored).
2. Spoils the new players, as they can be invited to these PL farm AE missions.
3. Lower the achievements of this game, like value of lvl 50 characters.
4. Alot of farming as doing same missions over and over, what could mean bored players.
5. Players who don't do AE missions for farm or PLing, has alot harder time to find normal teams.

Of course some of those stuff is depending view point of player as what kind of player is.

Now the problem isn't the positive effects, but that some negative effects aren't neccassary and are bad design. They could be fixed, but does developers want it, is the question.

In long run, I don't see this extreme fast powerleveling and openly done farming doing any good for this game in long run. I have farmed with my lvl 50 scrapper and I like it, because it's extreme easy way to get alot of prestige, inf, good recipies and they are harder missions to do. How ever, I don't farm or PL with any of my under lvl 50 characters. Those characters also have notice how bad affect the AE has this game. Mostly because teaming has become alot harder as half the player base is just farming and powerleveling they characters.

What I haven't seen yet is real good non farm AE missions. I ques only few teams actually do them. So, the base idea about challenge and player missions is lost under all this farming and PLing.

In my opinion this is what is destroying every new and old mmorpg. Not about what the person sayes, but what attitude and meaning behind it. Problem isn't the players whining, but developers actually listen them.

People are just too LAZY to work for anything in mmorpgs anymore, they want everything as easy and fast they can. Then they end to be bored and complaining that notthing to do. Talk about **** and dummer.

All mmorpgs aren't anything else than WASTE of peoples time. We play to have FUN, but fun doesn't mean allways that it's easy. Without ability achieve and accomplish something, why play at all.

It's not free innovation what's ruining the game, but the idea that everything has to be easy and fast. Easy and fast = bored players really fast = END of the game. Peaople don't play the game if they have no goals to accomplish. No-one likes to do same stuff over and over forever.

I ques, we disagree this one.

Allmost every mmorpgs, I don't mean does players have high level character. I mean players who are online, what characters they play. If You look any mmorpgs, you will see that lower levels has more players online than higher.

Just login and start counting the population (not in CoX), by using mmorpg group search

Interesting point of view, but maybe it's because they don't want to change it?


I did ask it, read the orginal post.

I agree with OP mostly. I have played now while for AE missions with my level 50 character.

Why?

Even with 20 boss enemy groups, it isn't much a challenge for good lvl 50 team. So, it's only way to find even some challenge. I do agree that it's booring because most the time it's just same mission over and over. How ever, I think reasons for that is more exp and reward related. I'm building my own personal single player base and I get nice amount of prestige by been in those farm teams. I only do AE missions with my level 50's, because it doesn't matter what missions my lvl 50 does, it's all about challenge and rewards.

So, what wrong?

MA's are destroying this game really fast because:

MA allows extreme fast leveling. People are powerleveling characters to 50 in few hours, so powerlevelers can do even multible 50's in same day. This lowers value of having lvl 50 character for everyone. Because it use to be mark that someone actually knows how to play they character. Today, with this fast powerleveling, we have lvl 50 characters who doesn't even know how to play they characters. Also it spoils the new players, if they think AE missions is the way to play this game.

I looked player base in union server (CoH side). This was result.

Amount of players:
Level _ Workday _ Weekend
01-10 __ 16% ____ 13%
11-20 ___ 9% ____ 9%
21-30 __ 10% ____ 16%
31-40 __ 13% ____ 19%
41-50 __ 52% ____ 43%

Usually there is less high level players in mmorpgs than lower ones, but not in this game. Because with AE missions, no-one stays lower level long.

If the developers even care little bit about CoH they could solve most the problem easy.

1. Try to remove exploit possibilities (Like ability do mission without risks)
2. Remove the auto SK feature by droping the MA system from Task force to normal missions.
3. Allow normal mission (not MA ones) have bigger spawns for challenge.

Example level 50 scrapper doing solo missions with spawn 2-5 enemies is insult.