Tyger42

Well, sure, if you want to do spin-doctoring that would make a politician jealous...

Arc Name: Black Rose
Arc ID: 77448
Levels: 1-50 ( Custom enemy group )
Author global: @Tyger
Difficulty: Medium ( Contains EB in final mission. )
Overview: Jimmy "Epine Rouge" Krais has not reported in. He was last seen entering the lab of his mentor, Sorcha Rose. During the investigation of his disappearance, uncover the source of the corruption infecting Rose.

This is an arc that's been up for a while but hasn't gotten many hits.

Known issues: The ally in the final mission is set to spawn "front", but will at times appear at the very back of the mission.

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I had absolutely no idea that the phrase "vanity items" had any sort of game-related definition outside of defining the words "vanity" and "item" and gluing them together. I have never heard anyone use the term vanity to describe things in the way you are. I am not at all saying you are wrong, but just that it is new information for me (CoH/V is the only MMO I have ever played).

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The term is used that way even on CoH to describe the first vet reward pets...

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Of course, Diablo 2 had the capacity to create private games due to both the game naming and passwords, so if you were killed by someone, it was usually your own fault.

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Sorry, but I completely disagree with this logic. It's like saying that the victim of a mugging is the only one to blame because he walked down a dark alley. The attacker is to blame as well.

Frankly, the attitude that people should have to hide away in private games to avoid PK scumbags was what made Diablo2 on Battle.net so miserable....

I'm hoping Blizzard is smart enough to put a "no PvP" flag that game creators can set in Diablo 3.

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Way to not read the rest of it, or have no capacity to understand what I was talking about.

EDIT TO ADD: I was talking about Hardcore mode, a mode in which you either took on solo, or only with trusted friends who understood how to build a character that could survive. If you wanted to bring along some random shmuck into your private HC game, and he goes hostile (and you manage to miss the message of his hostility, manage to not open a TP, or manage to not just quit the game right there), it's your fault.

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No, I understood it. You're taking a "blame the victim of the griefer" attitude, and I completely disagree with that logic. What mode it's in is irrelevant, you shouldn't have to hide away in PW locked games in multiplayer mode just to avoid PK dirtbags.

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Of course, Diablo 2 had the capacity to create private games due to both the game naming and passwords, so if you were killed by someone, it was usually your own fault.

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Sorry, but I completely disagree with this logic. It's like saying that the victim of a mugging is the only one to blame because he walked down a dark alley. The attacker is to blame as well.

Frankly, the attitude that people should have to hide away in private games to avoid PK scumbags was what made Diablo2 on Battle.net so miserable....

I'm hoping Blizzard is smart enough to put a "no PvP" flag that game creators can set in Diablo 3.

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3. Forbin, gotta disagree with you on that one. Enhancements are our items, and most of them are definitely more than "for show and vanity". HOs, set enhancements, purples especially...definitely not vanity loot.

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I beg to differ. There is no actual ingame necessity to have those "items" so having a set-bonus list as long as your arm serves only to make your character more "uber" than the next one and to show off all the shiny Purples you have farmed.

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"No in game necessity"? You try running missions at 50 without any enhancements and tell me there isn't any "in game necessity" for them.

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I meant Set IOs and Purples. As in the vanity loot that was mentioned in my quoted post, and that the text of my post addresses. Regular enhancements do not produce a list of set bonuses.

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The post you quoted talked about enhancements in general. It mentioned Purples, IOs, etc as especially being more than "vanity loot".

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3. Forbin, gotta disagree with you on that one. Enhancements are our items, and most of them are definitely more than "for show and vanity". HOs, set enhancements, purples especially...definitely not vanity loot.

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I beg to differ. There is no actual ingame necessity to have those "items" so having a set-bonus list as long as your arm serves only to make your character more "uber" than the next one and to show off all the shiny Purples you have farmed.

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"No in game necessity"? You try running missions at 50 without any enhancements and tell me there isn't any "in game necessity" for them.

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We cannot lose our enhancements once they're slotted, if we're defeated. Doesn't "loot" kind of work that way in other games? Where you are killed and other people can scrounge for what you had "on" you?

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except for you know Ultima Online which started the whole MMO thing

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UO didn't "start the whole MMO thing". There were others before it...

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We cannot lose our enhancements once they're slotted, if we're defeated. Doesn't "loot" kind of work that way in other games? Where you are killed and other people can scrounge for what you had "on" you?

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Only game I can think of where this was the case was a single PvP server in Everquest. Can't think of any other MMOs that allow others to steal your gear when you're defeated. That's not saying that there aren't any, just none of the major ones.

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It does contain both, but the Height shouldn't be part of it. It's been asked for probably as long as power customization.

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What good would the boosters be if they didn't have stuff we really wanted? That's what makes them worth paying for. People have more than $15/month that they're willing to spend on City of Heroes, and I don't begrudge Paragon Studios trying to maximize their earnings. I could wish it were all available for one price, but I could wish the same of anything I pay money for. I wish it were all free. The good stuff always costs extra.

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It's a feature that should've been in the damn game from the first day the tailors went in. It's such a basic element of character customization that it was bad enough that it wasn't there before now. The fact that we're being charged extra for it now that it's -finally- being added is just plain ludicrous.

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Someone has been humping people and I asked how and he said he used macros, but i forgot what emotes he said he used.

Does anyone know how? It's the same from this youtube video at 00:50 - 1:00.

youtube video

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So...you want to act like a juvenile idiot? Leave that crap in HALO where it came from.

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3. Forbin, gotta disagree with you on that one. Enhancements are our items, and most of them are definitely more than "for show and vanity". HOs, set enhancements, purples especially...definitely not vanity loot.

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I understand why people might share that point of view, but I don't consider enhancements items because unless we use a respec they are effectively permanent attachments, and they don't affect our characters appearance in any way.


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They don't have to affect character appearance to be "items". Aside from the appearance part, they serve the same role gear does in other games. Sorry, but you're just plain wrong here. And it is not a matter of opinion.

Chat logs sent with a petition for something else, for starters.

And, yeah, I do know what their job is. It's been listed in the application that they've had up in the past for GMs...

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Only for a particular interpretation of "their job". Their job is to reduce complaints and keep the game a civil place for players. Snooping on private communications that have generated no complaints and censoring people who are having conversations that offend no one doesn't seem to me to fit that bill.

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Who said anything about snooping? That doesn't qualify as "happening across" it.

And you're wrong. Their job is to help customers and [u]enforce the rules[u]. The rules don't say "No swearing unless nobody is offended by it".

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I think the golden rule is that if there's nobody listening who'll get offended, you're fine. But don't assume that someone won't get offended in a public channel.

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Depending on the standards that NCSoft uses, regardless of who hears, offensive is offensive.

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Yes, but if no one who hears it finds it offensive, then no one will be likely to report it.

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And if it's not reported, I'm pretty sure the GMs won't act on that type of stuff even if they stumble across it.

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Of course they will. It's their job.

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It's been a while since we had one of these copyright violation/generic bat/narc threads. We need to do this more often since there seemed to be a lot of pent up drama being unleashed here.

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Is it just me or does all the drama seem to be coming from a few people spouting the "Mind your own business!" argument.

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Yeah, funny, isn't it? They're always the one who start in with the namecalling and argumentative attitudes.

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I think the golden rule is that if there's nobody listening who'll get offended, you're fine. But don't assume that someone won't get offended in a public channel.

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Depending on the standards that NCSoft uses, regardless of who hears, offensive is offensive.

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Yes, but if no one who hears it finds it offensive, then no one will be likely to report it.

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Rule #3 of the Code of Conduct:

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You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive language.

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That said, in generally private channels, such as global channels or SG channels, or even in tells to somebody that you know well, it's generally allowed. However, that doesn't mean that somebody can't petition it.

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No, it's not "generally allowed". It's just reported far less often.

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A rat is a rat.

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And a troll is a troll.

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A rat is a rat.

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Yup, and "rats" have done great things toward helping out our community. In games like these and in the real world.

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Dont quote me on this, but as long as he wasnt swearing overy other word and using racial tarms he should be alright.

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Wrong wrong wrong. The filter is completely and totally irrelevant as far as the rules are concerned.

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I agree to abide by the rules, but I don't remember agreeing to be a policer of homage violations.

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Then don't. But leave those who choose to help out to it.

On a side note, kudos on the Eddie Izzard reference in the avatar there, Blackrock. ^_^

"Fair Use" is copyright rather than trademark, anyway. But, even so, "fair use" wouldn't apply to ripoffs ( No, not "homages". Call a spade a spade ) in this game.

Even if it did, a violation of the games rules is still a violation. They don't have to explain why they have certain rules. The fact of the matter is we all agreed to follow them. Keep your word or don't whine about the consequences if you're called on it when you break it.

Edit: Scratch that. I didn't know the full context of the quote since F_N apparently doesn't grasp the use of the quote function. I thought we were talking about in-game violations still, not sig quotes on the forum.

Quotes and such in sigs here do fall under fair use. No, I don't have to be a lawyer to know that. It's pretty much to the letter on fair use exceptions.

Besides, if it were a problem, you'd be in violation as well, FN. I'm quite sure you didn't make that avatar image you're using, nor did you obtain permission from the creator...

This isn't Player Rhetorical Questions...