Turbo_Ski

You have zero proof that your story is true and it reeks of incredibility and praise-seeking attention.

One of my RL friends that I normally play with has 2 FF users at lvl 50, a FF/Psi and a Mind/FF. Because we are so close we regularly switch accounts and play each other's characters to get a broader sense of the game. Philotic would have you believe I hate FF outright, but it's just not I'm not blindly in love with any set to completely ignore it's faults like Philotic is.

I would have kicked you no matter what power it was, you're response was no where near appropriate and you then try to paint it off as not anyway your fault. The tank asks you to stop using force bubble and instead of just calmly saying that it was a one time thing or your position, you go and outright insult the tank. It doesn't matter if what you said about the tank was true or not, you purposely chose to antagonize him instead of explaining your actions. I for one can not condone such behavior and am frankly disappointed that the defender community blindly praises you for it simply because that is their natural reaction when someone disses another AT.

Thank you for proving my exact point in the post above yours.

When you make blatantly wrong statements like...
You lose a lot of creditability right off the bat.

I'm not a fan of anecdotes that are crafted to be propganda to promote one AT while simultaneously defaming another AT with 20 or so people immediately showering them with praise for doing so. It's even more insulting when they use a power that has a history of being used to grief melee ATs in the early days of CoH and CoV when outdoor farming was commonplace. Then really rub it in by having the protagonist be a heroically painted jerk in response to the antagonist's request to cease and have it all painted as an injustice when the protagonist is kicked from the team for his jerk response. Tie it up with the moral being that the smart defender performed a good deed and was kicked solely for doing the good deed and that the other AT is full of jerks and idiots.

Anyone that already agrees that defenders are holier than all other ATs will immediately jump up and praise the OP and flame the hell out of anyone that disagrees or has a differing opinion from them.

Thing is these type of pro-defender propganda anecdotes happen at least once a week on the defender boards, so you'll have to forgive me for immediately coming off as negative here.

Agreed, I deleted my first lvl 50 hero, a fire/empathy controller after Issue 5 because they justifiably removed the multiple pets and thus removed the primary soloing crutch for that type of build. A self-only fortitude buff attached to one of the long recharge auras would have salvaged the character for me.

Considering Sonic is already considered better than fire for corruptors, reducing fire down to defender damage with no compensation doesn't help it compete with the extra -5% res defenders gain (-20%) per sonic blast stack than corruptors (-15%). Fire blast will continue to be second until sonic blast gets rebalanced in it's debuff value vs base damage as it is for blasters.

Not really, the Damage scalars for the base damage is the same for both defenders and corruptors for Sonic Blast and are lower than similarly shared sets such as energy blast and ice blast.

0.84 Shriek
1.32 Scream
0.81 Howl
2.12 Shout

1.00 Power bolt
1.64 Power Blast
0.96 Energy Torrent
2.12 Power Burst

1.00 Ice Bolt
1.64 Ice Blast
1.40 Frost Breath
2.28 Bitter Ice Blast

The only values that make the sonic blast set different for defenders and corruptors are the AT damage modifiers and the AT Debuff modifiers. The problem is that those two modifiers don't scale evenly with each other across ATs or comparatively with other blast sets in damage output. The set is actually most balanced for blasters which seems to be in line with how Sonic Resonance and Trick Arrow values had more in common with controller secondaries than defender primaries at release of Issue 5, the design kind of implies that giving these sets to defenders was an afterthought and weren't balanced well around the defender AT.

Is it opposite day or something, because your analysis is way off.

Dark and FF are the least offensively focused support sets and most defensively focused support sets. Frankly FF could stand to have some -res tossed into Repulsion bomb and the damage on Force Bolt increased significantly to make up for it's current poor offensive capabilities. Dark really only needs to rebalance Tar Patch's duration and recharge to be the same as Sleet/FR and completely redesign Black Hole into an inverted repel patch with a -Def component.

Kin and TA are easily the most offensive support sets and the most lacking in mitigation (more so in TA's case since debuffs get resisted and purple patched versus Kin buffs that don't). Kin suffers from being numerically too much alike between ATs that it actually suffers as a defender primary, Speed Boost and Siphon Speed for example should not be identical across all ATs. TA simply suffers from it's mitigation being too weak and spread out amongst too many powers to reliably mitigate Alpha strikes, I blame this mostly on Flash being a smoke bomb clone with a crappy animation time for crappy tohit debuff value and PGA's sleep not having a slottable tohit check to help mitigate alphas a bit more.

Storm, Cold, and Rad are all middle ground hybrids that offer more variety at the cost of being less focused in either direction. These sets are pretty well considered to be the most balanced of all support sets between defender primaries (not so between ATs because of inconsistencies in values). There are problems with individual powers such as Frostworks, Lightning Clap, and Fallout but they don't hold back the overall performance of the set.

Sonic and Empathy pretty heavily handicapped with too much focus on ally only powers with the leftover powers being too weak for an adequate solo performance. Empathy could stand to have it's Regen and Recovery auras tweaked include a self only fortitude buff attached. Sonic however is frankly a mess, Sonic Repulsion needs to be trashed or changed into an PbAoE toggle on self and Sonic Siphon should really be like a -Res/+Res version of Siphon Speed.

Here is how you counter the end crash on nukes for cold users:

Get into melee with mob -> Aim -> Sleet -> Ice Storm -> Blizzard -> pop a blue inspiration -> Heat Loss

The +Recovery isn't enough to counter the -Recovery from the nuke but you will have a full endurance bar after heat loss fires off at the end which will last you long enough for the nuke debuff to wear off and the +recovery to kick in.

Adding Scourge effect and making them look at AT modifiers are two totally different things.

I don't keep up with the large shifts in PvP changes so I don't know nor really care. In PvE though it does work like that.

Ice only really has really good AoE damage because of the blaster-damage rain effects oversight, all the other powers are pretty normal damage as far as most defender blast sets go.

Sonic's base damage is lower to account for the -Res, but the Damage scale is same for all ATs while the debuff scales much higher for defenders. The only other damage variable is the AT damage modifiers which don't progress evenly with the debuff modifier. So we end up with sonic blast defenders doing about equal damage to an energy blast corruptor and the other defender blast sets ending up about 30% behind.

not quite since -Res effects the entire team's damage, that's pretty significant when attached to a single AoE like Howl. The single target is however stronger solo and even more so on teams but not quite on the same scale as Howl does on teams.

No need for vengeance since MoSTF attempts are never PuGs. MoSTF requires either an excessive amount of support stacking or a tank + dedicated healer + Support + Misc damage dealers and requires everyone to not be retarded.

This, and the source of why is because of defiance.

More like I mark them as a failure for failing at mitigating damage through Repulsion Bomb, Ally shields, and Dispersion. OP already stated he didn't have Repulsion bomb so that's a rather large damage mitigation and damage loss right there and instead used a power that does almost no mitigation, pisses off melee players in general, and is far too large to be used surgically for repel positioning.

So this "corruptor attitude" is what you call all the offender builds and any defender build that provides both damage multiplying and mitigation?

Are you rejecting all those that play Offenders as part of the defender boards?

I disagree, it's a defenders job to provide mitigation and damage multiplying and damage not chase down every fool that has a deathwish.

Also it's silly to say that simply the name "Defender" should imply a vastly different playstyle from Corruptors when there is no mechanical reasoning to suggest such a thing. It's merely a belief that you believe in and not anything based on fact. Defenders and Corruptor support values are very close that any difference gets omitted away for corruptors by the large difference in damage capability and by effect stacking (-tohit/+def, -dmg/+res, etc.) in teams.

All the situations you would give on how Force Bubble saves teams only occurs the majority of the team is pants on head retarded since you would have to be to die at that close to the defense soft cap and repulsion bomb being spammed. Popping vengeance would easily put the team over the soft cap (which is never a waste when lacking def debuff resist) as well as healing them, boosting their Tohit and damage which fulfills both saving the team and not rewarding idiocy.

Force bubble will only save ***** ridden teams, but does nothing for average or experienced teams. I however don't accept the notion that a defender must always babysit and protect every ***** that decides to go on a suicidal fling at the expense of the team's safety like you do.

Yes. After the first guy dies and learns a valuable lesson that he shouldn't suck, vengeance gets popped and the rest of the team destroys the spawn successfully with ease.

not as much as Vengeance + FF shields + Dispersion would.

Let them die, it's wrong to reward awful playing and deny oneself vengeance.