Tundara

OoooooOOOooo!!!!!

That is very purty!

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Well, you know I love your work SlaveDawg. If I had to say there was something that didn't 'work' for me, it would have to be the scared pilgrim's eyes. The shape of them feels kinda Anime-esque and just didn't settle right for me. What did work for me is the Horse and Rider. Very nice. Has a wonderful Disney feel to it. Maybe that's why the eyes of the pilgrim are jarring for me. >_<

Sadly, meh arts skillz is the suck so I can't really give you the detailed feedback you want/

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I can't think of one, but I'm not much of an expert or hand at the non-Melee AT's. There could be one, but I find that very unlikely. A pbAoE Mag 2 Sleep just doesn't make any sense for a Melee AT. If it did damage as well, that would be another matter, but without damage, the power is just laughable. More so because a few levels later you can get Salt Crystals which just slaps FA silly, does a few kicks to the groin, and then laughs as FA curls into a fetal position whimpering for mercy.

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Wowzers, that looks great. =@_@=b And that is a naughty little kitty.

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The Otter gives two thumbs up!

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Happy Birthday, Ice Knight!!!!

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Birthday! YAY!!!!

*Dashes of to the Tanker Kitchen to whip up many frosted treats*

Happy happy B-Day Ice Knight!

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Small correction RR, but Ice Melee has 3 attacks in it's first tiers. Than has nothing until level 28 (Frozen Touch). Frozen Touch is actually its best ST attack overall. The second best is Frost, which is the sets Cone and only form of quasi-pbAoE.

The set needs another damaging attack. It is my opinion, and everone probably knows it by now, but adding Damage to Frozen Aura is the best answer and kills 2 or 3 birds with one stone. The only potential downside to this depending on the coding is that Damage Procs could break the sleep. The answer is to simply delay the Sleep until after the Procs are checked and applied. I don't know if that is possable though.

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I am very disapointed at this turn of developments, though not surprised given past decisions by the NCSoft Moderators.

This is a sad day when the negatives are bannable, but a positive /Signed or /Yes is still alright. One thing I really hate is a hypocrite, and the mod team is looking very hypocritical at the moment. I will try to reserve judgement and wait to see how this all settles out. Maybe in time the rules will be slackened again as the situation that gave birth to them receeds.

I'vce been known to use all the bannable offenses listed in Ex's post. Often it is the simplest and most susinct response.

I don't know, but this anouncement is very troubling to me.

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<;_;> I have no one worth contributing! But, I think this is hilarious and great <,<

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Ditto! =^_^=b The Squirrel says it well. >_>

No pressure Squirrel friend, I know how them forum wars can get. >_> ... <_< That Space Marine Lady looks nifty.

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Snazzy! Meh likey, meh likey a lot! =^_^=b

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It's been a while since I've looked, and I'm kind of taking too long of a work break right now, but what set bonuses of real value to a Tanker are in the sleep sets?

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Hibernation
Sleep Dur / +Health / + Smashing Res / - Recharge Time

Induced Coma (Chance for Recharge Slow proc IO)
Sleep Dur / +Health / Debt Prot / + Move / + Melee Def

Lethargic Repose
Sleep Dur / + Energy Def / + Smashing Def / + AoE Def / + Toxic Res

Call of the Sandman (Chance for Self Heal proc IO)
Sleep Dur / +Health / +Endurance / - Recharge Time / + Toxic/Psionic Res

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So, nothing that you can't get from having a useful power instead of Frozen Aura.

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ultimately, if it were me in castle's shoes i would look at fire/ice briefly, but only for the purpose of seeing if the combo pointed at a problem with individual powers. and from what i've seen, with this particular example i don't think there's a large source of concern.


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I agree. You hear a lot about Fire/Ice and the Ice/Burn Patch combo, but is it that much more effective, especially with how Ice Patch works now. Adding damage to Frozen Aura has always been the best option in my opinion. I get the feeling that some people have a slight eye twitch when it comes to adding Damage to FA because of memories of the "glory" days of Fire just burning entire maps in a matter of moments. But that was thanks to the stacking bug, no aggro cap, and Burn didn't have it's much bombasted 'fear' effect. Having a short cone (Frost) as well as Frozen Aura doing damage raises concerns of 'Farming' and such. To this I give a hearty laugh.

Right now a well built Fire/Ice will have these powers for a 'Herding' strat; Burn, Ice Patch, Fire Ball, Frost, Blazing Aura, Hasten. The strategy is simple. Corner pull, Ice Patch, Fire Ball + Frost + Burn. This will leave gaps and holes for Frozen Touch (to keep a 6th mob in the Burn patch), as well as Boxing/Kick and Air Sup. I would be surprised if many Fire/Ice tanks had GIS or IS just because of the perception that Fiery Aura needs Tough and Weave combined with the less then great DPA of both swords. What this boils down to is that the Secondary has been taken for 3 powers!

Now, the reason I feel FA with damage would not suddenly make the above a lean mean uber farming machine on par with the incredible Fire/Kin Trollers is because of animation times. The 2.1 second animation of FA would by neccessity bump the Single Target attacks that would be used against the Lts and Bosses. Plus, Fire/Ice is a tight build from what I've seen tinkering in Mids Hero Builder. I'm sure Ice_Ember will back me up there. So just finding the power to remove for FA plus the 5 slots is going to leave holes and weaknesses elsewhere. Then there is the simple fact that you are By Choice making your character a specialist at defeating Minions and Lts. Aggainst Bosses the set will prove no different then before, or maybe even a bit weaker. As for AV's, HA!

But pbAoE damage is the great honking MASSIVE Achilles heel of Ice Melee. Yes, Frost is darn good, if specially catered towards in game play. Plus, it would be level 39 and 40 before a damaging Frozen Aura would come into its own in terms of functionality, just like Foot Stomp.

As for the concern (as pointed out to me by Redlynne between discussions of patarns for pants) of Scirroco's Chance of Lethal knocking mobs out of the sleep when slotted in FA (assuming of course FA did damage and took pbAoE sets), I say the user and buyer beware. Plus, I would doubt to the highest order that the vast magority of players will even notice, or care, that the power defeats the sleep effect itself. Pie, I'm lucky to see a nano-second of the beautiful Ice Sleep animation as it is right now!

For me Damage in Frozen Aura is 2 birds with one stone AND washing the hands of the set. Blimey, I would be the first to leap to Castles defense if a poster started bombasting Ice Melee and asking for further changes.

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Pie, LJ, that looks great.

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Looks great! I love hte idea behind this and can't wait to see it finished!

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Yup yup, same same. Gets the 'Otter Stamp of Approval' already. Can't wait to see this one done Alex.

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My first reaction; "He's gonna EAT MEH!" =@_@=b

Great stuff Juggy. I love the perspective and mouth.

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I am happy and sad with Dual Blades. Yes, they look cool, but that is a given with Dual Scimitars. But it is freaking Dual Scimitars. Hardly original. >_> ... <_< Still, after the month of 'City of Drow' is past it wont be a problem. I know I'm going to have a DB Tank, Scrapper and Brute. =^_^=b But I'm not touching the elf swordsman rejecting her evil heritage cliche with a 10' pole.

And, I want that hair. Yesterday. =@_@=

Well guys, I just want to say that no matter what the Sleep is going to stay. I'm not sure how I feel about that. Personally, I want to have FA be given damage. Something between Foot Stomp and Fault (or is it Tremor? I'm forever confusing the two). This is to me the most logical answer. It makes the power useful to the VAST majority of Tanks and still remain faithful to the powers original design intention; and that is a "good"* pbAoE Sleep effect.

I don't have high hopes though of FA getting damage however. This is just what I'd like. This is graphics aside intirely. The shooting of Icy Stallagmites out of the ground would be cool, but not neccessary.

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*:'Good' here being subjective. From a numbers PoV FA is really good. It is just useless for a Tank. Blasters can get far more use out of it though from what I've heard.

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my only losses were in SG v SG events and my 1 on 1 against Pohsyb's Ill/Kin Controller.

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/em flex

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/ZOMG! I got 2 Devs at once!

/em Flex2
/em Victory

Mace and Invul tankers, eat your hearts out.

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Ok now you are just herding! Stop it before the entire tanker forum gets nerfed!

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Aww... but herding is such fun. Hmmm... I wonder if I could get Positron as well...

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Oooo, that looks like it's going to be Otter-rific. A mural to place up on the walls of a throne room. >_> ... <_< I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out LJ. I'd offer to help, but alas my only MM is level 32 and uses Bots. This looks like it is going to be supremely awesomesauce.

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Looks great SlaveDawg! Thumbs up and all that. =^_^=b

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Castle did not "fix" fire tanks until he started to actually play a fire/fire tank.

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My Fire/Fire tank was made before I started working at Cryptic. I just have a serious case of Alt-itis. Also, when were were doing Arena testing in I3, my character of choice was an Invul/Ice Tanker and my only losses were in SG v SG events and my 1 on 1 against Pohsyb's Ill/Kin Controller.

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I want to echo this. Ice Melee is surprisingly decent in PvP. This is Arena only as in Zone PvP nullifies it's advantages. Also, Ice Melee is best against other Melee based toons and Master Minds. Ice Patch is an excellent tool for removing the MMs Pets.

Is it as good as EM or SS? No.
Does it do alright? Yes.

But Arena PvP is not the best or sole measurement of a set. Also, anything that uses Kiting will just pwn an Ice Melee tank in Arena or Zone PvP. Ice only does well after the slows have been stacked a significant amount. As I said a few times in the various Fixing Ice Melee threads; Ice Melee is alright despite it's terrible DPA because it lowers your opponents DPA to be less then even yours.

To Paraphrase J-Man after a one on one fight (he is Inv/SS): "Pie Tundy! I hate fighting you as I can't do anything!"

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NOTE Chilling Embrace was also a big contributer to the -Recharge and Speed effects accounting for as much as half of the slows stacked on average.

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tundara just can't affect the fact that she's overpowered.

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Am Not!

*One hit KO's an AV*

>_> ... <_<;; Whooops?

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my only losses were in SG v SG events and my 1 on 1 against Pohsyb's Ill/Kin Controller.

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/em flex

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/ZOMG! I got 2 Devs at once!

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Mace and Invul tankers, eat your hearts out.

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Um, wow. I am speechless. Completely totally speechless. Well, obviously not really, but you get the point. Thank you so much Castle for the info and response. I can't say enough how happy just hearing that there is a minute possibility of some changes has made me!

/em gives Castle a massive Otter hug.

And 100+ Posts since yesterday, yowza! I'm going to go through and read them all, then I'll get back to ya all. Might take me a bit.

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