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"settle for 'just for fun' " LOL.

Even after 10 something years of online gaming across genres attitudes like this still crack me up.

I think you guys all made sure that will never happen again. Even if a set is mostly done months in advance they'll likely only release it on open beta a few weeks before release.

And it will end at an event referred to as "RW". I wonder what that could be?

http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2012...for-third.html

He always sounds like that. I'm not even bothering with reading anything he says anymore.

2. "At this point"? News flash: This, and just about every other game ever put up for sale, has always been about revenue.

I'm waiting for that till summer, when the "enhanced edition" reissue releases. I'm actually more excited about that then any of the major releases of the last year. (some of which I was looking very forward too)

I'm kinda 'meh' on staff fighting and haven't bought beast mastery either (MM's are not my thing), but that's ok as I still got loads of characters to play with the power sets that released in the past months. I still haven't rolled a titan weapons or dark control character yet!

I fail to see why 'we' would be entitled to anything like this. "So little free for VIPs"? We've gotten 'free' stuff by the tons since Freedom. There was no slow down in content release for subscribers compared to before Freedom. If anything there's more now then in the past couple of years. All the extra pay for stuff has been on top of that. And we're already getting a discount in the form of the monthly points.

As long as we're getting power sets 'for free' at the same speed, or faster, as before Freedom ( as is currently the case), I'm all for extra optional purchasable power sets on the market. The more the merrier.

This. They'd get my money, and lose a bit of my goodwill.

So I can't look at the situation logically, because then I'd see all the rage stems from illogical gut reactions? What? And they should just release stuff whenever, and not when it makes the most sense to do so all to avoid a bunch of kids from getting angsty ... Sure, whatever.

And as I said staff being completed first is totally irrelevant to the situation.

Your comparison doesn't make any sense either. That situation isn't even remotely the same. Nothing is kept from you, you're not being 'played'. Stuff just gets released on its intended release date. Oh Noes! How unfair ...

Thanks for backing me up.

Wrong. The sooner the better. A lot less bleating from people like you after the fact like that.

Actually yes, the amount of angst this is generating is astounding. I'm not getting it at all.

No promises were broken, no release dates delayed. I'm not even getting were you or anyone else got the expectation that Staff would have released with I22. It was always going to be a weekly market item release.

Having both release in close succession in time for the 2xp is actually completely ridiculous (and both this week like the thread title suggests even more so). Why on earth would they release two buzz generating powersets right behind the launch of an issue when the buzz is still going strong? Especially since there wasn't a lack of new and reworked powersets in the issue itself. Spreading them out to release at times the momentum might be slacking is a logical thing to do.

That the sets are already finished is not a factor. There's always stuff that's already finished, and it always gets held back till the slotted release time.

Setting unrealistic expectation and then getting frothy that they aren't met when there never was any indication that they would be, is unreasonable at best. You can disappointed sure, but the reactions in this thread? Really?

Of course performance depends on your powersets, and your level of incarnate. I've only ran missions in DA with my 3 mains so far. Set at even conning white minions (with bosses) at x8 my +3 brute just rampages through. My +3 Dark/Dark corr takes it a lot slower but she can hold off 2 full spawns almost indefinitely (Clarion helps) while slowly working her way through. My fire/pain corr is easily the one with the most trouble. But I don't run her at such large spawns solo (usually x3, or x4). Even con at x1 is still way to easy though.

All the unstoppables slowed us down a bit yes, but we just dragged them over into the next spawn and let them be killed by AoEs or waited for the unstoppable to crash wichever happened first. God modes on enemies are imo a very poor way to create challenge. Most of the time they just slow you down without actually making anything harder. Valkyrie's "Moment" of Glory anyone?

That mission was by the way an excellent example of the anticlimactic situations I was talking about earlier. In the 'boss fight', by the time I had cast Clarion and summoned my pets my duo partner on his brute had already stomped Romulus and the boss standing with him into pulp while the Talons EB was running away from us in a panic. It was over in 5 seconds or so. Yey, epic ... Not.

Oh, I agree there's something to be said for lording it over Romulus like that. However the effect isn't achieved by you actually being that much stronger then when you encountered Romulus previously in game, but by putting a nerfed version of him for you to stomp on. Because of that, for me, it doesn't create the 'feeling epic' effect I'm sure the devs are aiming for. Especially since, at least for a duo of me and my brother, we are that much stronger than Romulus in his AV form (he doesn't amount to much without his three Nictus allies and respawns).

I play with bosses always on too. One of the first things I do on new characters is put on the 'always fight bosses even when solo' option. I don't recall a situation were I ever turned that option off. Again, because just steamrolling someone who is supposed to be a big badass, doesn't make for a satisfying experience imo.

It is nonsensical because you're (or at least johnny is) taking two different situations (adapting content designed around coordinated (multi)-team efforts for solo play and changing what are standard mission arcs with standard mechanics to hinder/discourage large teams) and equating them, tying them together in a "if the devs wont do one they shouldn't do the other" argument. As if those things are even remotely tied together in any way.

Also 6-7 players still counts as a large group for me and is at any event a far cry from being able to solo it. I don't see a lot of people soloing the escapee part (If you're going to scale down the spawns'n stuff for very small teams or solo play, the number of escapees required to fail should be scaled down too, to keep things fair.) BAF is also the simplest and easiest of the iTrials.

I'm completely neutral towards the minimum player requirements of TFs and such. Don't mind that they're there, wouldn't mind it if they're removed. They're not a factor in this Incarnate content debate as far as I'm concerned.

Hardly anyone is fussing it's too easy for large teams. I'm certainly not.

I'm fussing it's to easy on incarnate characters while playing solo or in small teams even with all the difficulty sliders up to simulate being on a large team!

If you feel the need to form secret societies and conspiracies in the community just to protect something that might or might not be OP or bugged from getting fixed/nerfed, you're investing a bit too much of yourself in the game imo ...

Maybe that's were he's coming from, but then he should come out and say that instead of being petty with his "I couldn't have my toys, so you can't have yours!" argument he's throwing around.

I agree. The thing is that the masses of 'them' aren't a challenge, can't stand against me as it is. They just melt away.

I did that arc (all of them actually) on a brute/corruptor duo. We were +3 so we made them +3. We were already at x8 cause that's standard for us. We skipped the whole Malta part and knocked out the Praetorian because we didn't want the help (that was actually in character for my partners character too, since he was running the arc). Despite all the in story warnings over how hard it would be, it wasn't. Fun? yes. There were a lot of people to smack around and it was new, so it was fun. But challenging? No, not at all. I didn't even notice the EB at the end was an EB untill I encountered another one in a later mission. Anticlimactic? Yes. Very.

And that's the point I'm trying to make. I just want to have the option to make it more challenging. It doesn't take anything away from the current situation. You can still put your difficulty at -1 and carve a path through greys while cackling maniacally if you like.

No I wouldn't. I couldn't care less what they're called or what rank they have. That's not the point at all. I just want something to fight that doesn't melt when I look at it funny. It's anticlimactic and boring. Having a lot of them at once just makes it less boring. They still die at about the same speed.

Have a mob of AV's try to overcome me! Now you're thinking!

CoH has always been about a large groups of enemies. And standing as a few against many. That's nothing new. The game if full of those events. The final fight in the first and third mission, lag hill, the final mission, all of it actually, the end battle of the LGTF, Assault on the Malta base in LRSF, Eden Trial. All great events were a small group of us fights a massive horde of enemies AND some big baddies to anchor the whole thing on so the battle isn't over in seconds (/petpeeve maybe if people did less pulling and more mindless charging they'd experience it as such /petpeeve).

Great! Why are we even arguing?

Oh right.

Again, this is so nonsensical.
I think there are very few people who want 'team specific' content just for the sake of it being team specific, or to spite the soloers or whatever.

The thing about the iTrials and that sort of gameplay is that it uses mechanics and sets challenges that simply cannot be done by a single (or very small group of) players. They REQUIRE the cooperation between a group of players. That is why people want and play those things. Because it's a different type of gameplay. If you made them into a single player version, hey whatever, but then they aren't trials anymore but simple missions (or arcs) just like the DA stuff. You'd have to take out the mechanics and tone down the challenges because they're physically impossible for a single player to complete.

While all the devs have to do to turn a 'solo mission' into 'group content' is, well, nothing at all! The game makes everything standard accessible for groups up to 8 people and scales stuff accordingly. Except in Dark Astoria were for some reason EBs don't scale up to AVs.

I just got off my 7th night shift in a row a couple of hours ago and haven't gone to bed yet. So if my post seems incoherent, I'm going to blame it on that.

Exactly.

Don't really care about that honestly. I'm not enough of a power gamer to actually calculate the amount of damage I'm doing or stuff like that. Most of the time anyway.

I'm just thinking it would solve all the problems with availability on certain levels if all IO recipe dropping across all levels would just end up in the same pool. That and the scaling would actually make me bother with IOs before level 50 (or 47.)

As an added bonus it'd remove a lot of market clutter, and give an opportunity to fix the typos and inconsistencies between recipe and crafted enhancements that bother me a lot more than they should. That'd make the AH a lot less unwieldy to use.