TimTheEnchanter

Like Xerxes!

True. But doing the research properly and sufficiently would do little-to-nothing to reduce the amount of ridicule he would receive.

From one of my posts in the Plan Z thread, about radical ideas:

Negative reinforcement from society seldom has ANYTHING to do with whether the idea is feasible or not. The guy who first thought up the idea of continental drift got just as much flak for it as the guy who jumped off a bridge flapping his arms with paper wings attached. That one idea became accepted as true and the other doomed to fail had zero impact on the living hell that society put those people through.

Social negative reinforcement is absolutely HORRID at telling an individual whether they're right or not. Ridicule is largely fueled not by whether the idea may be wrong or can't succeed, but only whether it is different from the acceptable norm.

Ohh, in that case, I don't think you have much to worry about with Sentinel. Buyer gets the encryption keys, we give our Sentinel files to the buyer, buyer decrypts our data and adds it to the DB. That's what I envision anyhow.

Unless the problem is the latter... if anyone in Titan-Network is putting money forward and ends up being partial owner... I guess either don't bother playing it, or just wait a while and see how things go.

Itching at the chance to make a vid about that, lemme tell ya.

Try it.

But ultimately it's more about compensating for 'accidents.' The databases could get wiped, or accidentally lost. I've heard of weird things like that happening before.

On the other hand, the safest thing for them to do would be to set up a way for us to log into our NC accounts, and authorize the transfer of our data to the new IP holder.

The Titan Sentinel+ was created with cheaters in mind and uses insane encryption. The idea behind that is the only one who will ever get the key to that encryption, is whoever buys CoH.

Hopefully we wouldn't even need to use it as an option. But I can see why there's some concern that the player/character info would NOT be included, because selling/sharing that info might constitute a violation of NCsoft's own privacy policy. Sentinel gives us the option to transfer our own data to a new IP holder without NCsoft needing to take any unnecessary legal risks. I guess there's another way around that too, by letting players log into their NC account and manually authorize the transfer.

Maybe what was meant this license, for the two games, was a purchase by a single transaction as opposed to having to pay a licensing fee every year until the end of time? And so with a purchase of the CoH IP, the license for the engine will also be transferred?

Again, disclaimer: MAYBE.

I can't see how it would mean that all rights to the engine were bought by NCsoft, because that would eliminate any need to use the word "license."

There may be more things coming from SaveCoH overall that cannot be proven. They also cannot be proven false. We have the iron curtain of business to thank for both of those.

On the other side of the coin, the main argument is, "CoH WILL NOT be saved, ever." And the reason given for that seems to be, "SaveCoH is crazy." We can already speculate there is a slight chance of CoH returning, because NCsoft does not seem to want to let go of the IP. That right there already signifies a chance, even if it is only 1%. The most I've been trying to achieve is a stalemate here. I have NOT been trying to convert anyone to believe CoH will be saved. The most I've wanted is for everyone to be open to the possibility. Zealotry towards either side of the scale is equally unreasonable.

But when someone comes to the forums and posts information, the most that can be said about it is, "It may be a lie." Even if every single thing that has been said during SaveCoH was a lie, that still wouldn't mean much. Because we're still left guessing at what is going on in the minds of NCsoft.

And on your final statement about not being with Anti-SaveCoH, fair enough. I apologize.

Though since A_F was kind enough to disclose it, maybe it should henceforth be referred to as the Legion of Doom (TM). 8)

Repeated again, since you apparently missed it the first time.

Were it true that you have no side, your position would be far more neutral.

Brillig accused me of discourse. I cited an example of discourse that has been used by all of you numerous times. Brillig did not deny it. You responded with sarcasm, which is also not denying it.

Legion of Doom (TM) PR fail.

Habit? If there's any company that should have PLENTY experience with how players react to having their game closed, it's NCsoft.

Were that true, your position would be far more neutral.

In that case, considering all the damage it has caused that could have been avoided with honesty, that's some great PR.

That's where the "realignment of company focus" excuse comes from.

If it was failing, they could've said it. They chose not to. Maybe that's out of fear of getting kicked in the shin by their investors, maybe not. But if CoH was closed because it was failing, then the closure being due to a "realignment of company focus" is a lie. Focus implies a shift in priorities, not the more understandable "disposal of dead weight."

With the number of times I've seen the word "insane" and other similar psychological terms about mental illness thrown around by your side, your high ground sunk into the depths of the Earth long ago.

Another of those "facts" you guys love to throw around.

Fascinating. But since members of Titan have been had direct contact with PS employees for a long time, the only thing that is contestable now is the second half of that statement. The first half is not even a prediction, and also has nothing to do with your "war on hope."

In response to the second half, nobody said they KNEW it would go on. The closest you can come to that allegation is the, "We WILL persevere" pep talk that Tony gave after Aug 30. Every sports team/army who has ever lost an important game/battle has heard similar words of motivation from their coach/commander, so there's no point in even arguing about it being a lie.

I may have been in that thread, whichever thread that is, but considering how all of this garbage has been going, the discussion was probably about something entirely different at that point in time. Had I seen anything about "It wasn't fraud" before today, I would have remembered that.

Unfortunately, that's not why there's been all this bickering. The problem is, there are people who use these forums and don't use Titan-network who might be interested in hearing the latest news. Someone posts the news here. The harpies descend on it and try to inject their infinite pessimism into anyone who dares to give CoH even a 1% chance at a rebirth.

So unless EVERYONE ignores them, Titan is pretty much posting news here only to have the threads 'deleted' by the inverse morale police.

You saying that in Korean terms, it wasn't fraud?

No, only those who act like they're holding the crystal ball.

Absolutely. Shackles are being wrapped around all community members as we speak so that they don't play other games.

What makes you think that anyone is treating the saving of CoH as a prophecy that has no alternative but to become a reality? That's not hope. If that were the case, it wouldn't even be called hope, because there'd be no need to hope for it. It would be a fact, and we'd all be laughing at you for daring to suggest otherwise.

99% of the community is somewhere in the middle. Some have moved onto other games. Some are still playing this one until the end. Others are working on Plan Z. Despite what most of the naysayers probably think of me, I stand somewhere in the vein of cautious enthusiasm.

The funny thing about all of this is, members of the "anti-SaveCoH campaign" are the ones going around stating opinions as fact. You say it WILL NOT BE SAVED, and all hope is pointless. But you have nothing on which to base those claims. Only speculation.

All I have been arguing for is the POSSIBILITY that it will be saved. What I have NOT done is go around telling anyone that it WILL be saved. That makes me the more reasonable one, because I admit that it might not get saved. And admitting it might not get saved, is much more reasonable than going around saying it definitely won't.

Supporting my edit.

That could easily be the intent.

Like feeling a breakup is imminent so you start picking fights with your mate. Then in the end you don't feel so bad about it because, "You weren't getting along anyway."

But more commonly, things like this happen simply because the individual enjoys being an ***hole.