TheHermit

Oh ok, thanks Static. That's a first for me, I got worried.

I launched it again, and this time it didn't detect anything.

Oh man, you're right, I'm suddenly getting a flashback of that movie. lol, that and the Incredibles remind me of CoH.

TheHermit

By George, Evangel_EU, You hit the nail on the head! lol

This dynamic content isnt like RV at all. No one needs to be force to do anything or the map reset itself just because no one is doing anything. Its really not playstyle invasive at all, just adds a little more depth to each zones.

I have already amended my suggestion in consideration of the concern of "safety zones" and with that, "Safety Zones" will still be so.

Unlike RV which involves the whole map to shift and change at the same time dynamically, my suggestion breaks up a zone into blocks or neighborhoods as Evangel_EU has put it and it is within these blocks that a type of mobs that inhabit it naturally will advance themselves and bring about cosmetic change to the block or neighborhood according to the mob theme.

By "advance" I mean, from minion becoming LTs and LTs becoming bosses, but still the same level.

And along with the changes, if the neighborhood gets left alone long enough, a door boss or elit boss of the same level would become active. But this elite boss of the same level isn't outside for all the players to accidentally bump into, no he is in an active door that becomes active, this instance is a public one, anyone willing to take down this elite boss to reset the neighborhood down to its original spawn and clean up the mob cosmetic changes outside can go in, either as a team or solo.

If after this elite boss doesn't get taken out even if you take out all the mobs in the neighborhood, the cosmetic changes maintain and when the mobs respawn, it will be less minions and more Lts and skips the first stage mob level, and still the same level of course of the zone standard mobs inhabiting that area.

Spawning with elite-boss still not taken out, may perhaps be a bit quicker, but if the eliteboss is taken out, the respawn of the mobs will take longer, and maybe extra civilian population will be seen more with animations that make the civilians look like theyre cleaning up the neighborhood and restoring it to normal.

This will add new depth to streetsweeping, a new self appointed mission, and after taking out so many Elite bosses and reverting neighborhoods to an even safer zone state, one could earn a badge called "Cleaner" or maybe an Accolade called "Cleaner" after collecting badges that involve streetsweeping. The Accolade could provide a reduced chance for Knockbacks and stuns.

TheHermit

Haha, your thread is awesome, very thorough. However I would prefer that not the whole zone change at the sametime, but in blocks, or quadrants,, a zone map broken up into blocks to which such blocks can have its separate degrees of corruption.

In effect the zone could develop a sort of slum or Ghetto area depending on the mobs that are local to that area. So if you have Crey in that block of the zone, they'll start building some Crey-ish stuff, have more Agents pretending to be Civies, etc.

I am in concurrence with the safety zone rating system you have devised.

Considering however the point everyone has brought to the plate, that new mechanics to the game shouldnt be force or have consequences due to inaction of sorts, I would say that IMO it wouldnt be that much of a consequence at all if the cosmetic changes would really only apply to the surrounding areas of Capital centers or Hero Trainer Centers.

It flows from the notion that the city may not have enough resources to maintain the whole city but they can maintain order consistently in certain areas of authority, and the rest of the city becomes loosely dependent on heroes to maintain.

One would never see the Center of Atlas to ever be in such disarray, since it is where a government building is located and not to mention Ms. Liberty is standing outside.

I spoke of "threshold" before, this threshold I speak doesn't just abruptly begin or end, where a line becomes evident that one side is well maintained, and on the other side of it isn't and a ton of highly ranked (not levels) mobs are simply standing beyond it. I mean for it to be a threshold that is Ramped, or graduating to articulate that whoever is automaintaining the area zone blocks or quadrants have vision.

Those are Automaintenance blocks, its surrounding areas have a graduating threshold that keep the mobs from ever developing, Heroes that are new can slowly hunt their way into the slums and eventually, if they want to, take out the Elite bosses or bosses inside the activated doors due to the unabated advancement of block mobs.

Oh, and that escort mission is great too, their like random civilians that ask you to help them to get from point A or point B, even maybe upon accepting that mission as you escort along the way, series of ambushes occur that tries to mug the civilian or even a whole tour group, lol.

TheHermit

I hear ya, Samuel.

I felt my suggestion wouldnt force anyone, but after the point everyone brought up, the leveling up of the mobs outside the streets and parking lots, I have admitted, will force lowlevs to face a much more difficult path of higher level mobs.

So I guess a compromise to just making mobs get promoted to the next hierarchy, and eventually spawn an Elite Boss door complete with map, that any player need not entertain along with cosmetic changes to the environment.

Only by arresting the Elite boss, returns the environment to its former state.

Skipping killing the Elite Boss in the public instance that is active, will maintain the environmental changes that signify territorial claim of the mobs, and mobs will just respawn normally.

so there is no forcing anyone to fight these mobs as they are the mobs you see regularly, just that there will be more LTs and or Bosses, but they will maintain the level of that areas default mob range and of course lastly, the environmental changes to the vicinity.

The numbers of the mob won't increase merely promotion, and maybe 1 out of 10 mobs become a boss. Again, still the same level, no level increases.

TheHermit

Sorry to step on your toes Anti Proton, I don't come on forum as much as you, and I haven't read your suggestions regarding Dynamic city. Our suggestion overlap in a lot of stuff.

So far as I've read comments, I think the safest compromise to this suggestion if the Devs would, is to merely make cosmetic changes.

But I would still like to see Doors around the mobs become active to house a public mission of sorts, no need for contact.

Lots of players on here bring up the point that they will be forced to fight or play a particular way by introducing a more in depth map IMO.

Personally, I don't mind farming, so I have no issues against it. I'm going with what AE can do to keep the populace of this game busy.

Also, i'm not talking about new mobs or mission that appear like fires or bank robberies, its the common thug mob that one already sees in Cox, nothing new need be introduced from initial view, just to add a few layered consequential states after certain amount of time in a block area of a map at least haven't been touched cause its just out of the way for most people.

But whichever works for anyone, this suggestion is essentially a composite suggestion, the Devs can take a part of it or whole doesn't matter to me, I'd just like to see content along this avenue because I think It would add further depth to the game. The Dev's will simply take what they want from these sorts of suggestion regardless of what others say for or against it IMO.

I'm excited about how Going Rogue is just going to revive this game, theyre simply beginning to just mix everything up for the good of the game.

And Anti Proton, as much as you want to take credit for the notion, and although a lot of either of our suggestion overlap, their still inherently Unique, different situation, and I'm not suggesting a full overhaul of the game, just additions I think that I know the Dev team can pull off after all the new contents they've been dishing out.

Regardless you can take all the credit if you want, I just care about new content. I hope they finally buy your suggestions in the least.

TheHermit

Well No, we don't want to traumatize the players, for goodness sake.

Its not forcing anyone to play anyway. Its to defunct the whole notion that , your in city full of heroes, what are these mobs doing in it propagating in it in the first place. The zones that should be considered safe should be considered AE type areas, if you want to practice and train to fight villainy.

With this, if you want Atlas or Galaxy to be a starting point and alas, a "safe zone" for superhero trainees, then remove all the mobs, and have more AE buildings, to empasize that your in a city where, SuperHeroes are in control, and no mobs are there, which really, no one should be, considering its the gathering place for Super Powered hero types or Villain types.

AE system actually makes a lot of sense more than the mobs that persist in City of X.

Ok, maybe the mob increasing level maybe too much, how about it goes up to a maximum of 3 levels above the actual zone level range as a cap for the possible advancement of these mobs so at least the Superheroes there won't have too much trouble getting rid of them, just a bit of a challenge.

I mean, even these thugs have Hierarchy, which is inferred by their ranks.. i.e. minions, lieuts., Bosses, and on.

These mobs should be allowed to propagate and advance a bit, if left un culled. Also, it will give better XP.

The game is a superhero Game, and it already dictates how it is to be played, and now, it just needs to evolve.

Safety zone? then do AE arcs that have low levels, do the mission for low level contacts.
those are different than the street thugs that inhabit the streets.

The missions you get still makes sense in City of Heroes, they don't have to change.

This notion IMO merely evolves the play more and make it even more interactive.

Cause you actuall see the geography change, and the mobs reinforce themselves left untended, to which what criminal elements do "Do", if Superheroes ignore them.

And with this, it will give more meaning to stopping that skull trying to take that woman's purse, or those Hellions, breaking into a car or warehouse. They become stronger, cause they become braver due to that, the arrogant heroes don't bother them enough to think twice about their activities.

Of course there are thresholds that is relatively concentric to where the Hero Trainer is or any force of good is, since there are more NPC authority automatically culling the area, these areas would be the "safe zones". The further you venture away from the center of that iconic area of good, the mobs are slowly able to advance enough to get more bosses in their mob count and then even take over a building, and leave traces of their organization all around.

So "safe zones" are still existent and far from demolished, just more interesting and it makes more sense, and again, there is the "Danger Room" type training if you really want to be safe and just take on mobs that one thinks they can handle.

If you think about it, really. the whole of City of Heroes should be one hell of a safe zone, and shouldnt have any mobs walking the streets, perhaps, lurking in the buildings because they have to hide from the ever abundant superheroes, but not walking around mugging people as wannabe superheroes pass them by to go to the nex zone.

Anyway mob advancements may not even need to be in there via levels, but what about just hierarchy, minions slowly become LTs, then bosses, as long as there is effectual signs of change that signify that a particular mob is taking over that block of the zone.

Cars set on fire, Grafitti, Marks and Emblems put up. Doors become active to house Elit Bosses, so they don't walk outside the street, and the Elite boss provides a way of knocking down an organization to level 1 mob development, back to thugs.

Take down the leader and the rest scatters.. at least the minions will.

ooh yeah. Fun Fun.

TheHermit