TerraDraconis
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Quote:That's my plan when I get home tonight. I have both the test and beta clients up to date. So I'll pick one and copy it over the live PIGG folders and should be able to get in fast.Originally Posted by Oliin
My understaning is that you should coppy over the PIGG files and then run a repair on the game. I've not done it before myself, but I'm certainly going to try tomorrow instead of having to DL the whole patch. -
Quote:If you wanted a serious debate you shouldn't have used the "I'm quitting bit" in your original post. That set it up as simply trolling and not a desire for a serious discussion and setup the mockery. Had you simply posted the original post and said you where concerned it would have gone more the way you claim to have wanted it to go.Originally Posted by Westley
Can we have a serious debate without name calling and insults? We're all mature individuals here, right?
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Quote:Thats what I plan to do.Originally Posted by The_Spad_EU
I just copied my Test install across sans the "user" folders and the logs folder; Launcher seems quite happy with it.
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My guess on Street Justice [and it is cool] is that they will release it in 4 - 6 weeks just as people's current subscriptions are up for renewal.
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Quote:I think that is more because you gain levels 1 to oh 15 or 16 so very fast that you can fall behind on the inf gain you used to get.Originally Posted by UberRod
Actually on beta I had problems getting enough cash to get my DO's. It took several levels to get most of the slots with DO's.
So yeah, it can happen.
Granted when you get to the higher levels and start making the serious influence things are ok. But low level? It's tough.
Edit: On second thought in the regular game I could actually use the market effectively to make enough money to get what I need. But without it, even selling salvage and inventions doesn't cut it. -
Quote:Wow I had no idea how special it was that I managed that back prior to I6 even. Actually I think I had managed it much sooner than that but trying to remember exactly when I went past 22 the first time is fuzzy. I mean at 22 drinks isn't everything fuzzy?Originally Posted by Death_Badger
That's a load of rubbish.
Prior to the auction house and salvage/recipe drops there was no way that a character could afford DO's at 12 never mind SO's at 22 without financial assistance from an alt/friend/whatever. -
Quote:Newsflash. The moment you click past it and login you have consented to it. Your only option if you don't want to sign it is to not login.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Actually, if they are operating under it without me agreing to it?
Ilegal and uneforcebable.
Can't prove I 'signed' it?
Ilegal and uneforcebable. -
Probably spend X dollars get X points, and Y, Z, and T special features you would otherwise have to buy. All priced less than the total package would cost if you bought each component separately.
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Quote:And because they were not released with GR they are not part of it.Originally Posted by Death_Badger
Incarnates were advertised as part of Going Rogue, they removed them after the original design of the Alpha slot proved to be rubbish
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=229365
The fact that they are currently linked to the purchase of GR clearly shows that they are a part of GR
MMO's which use expansions regularly use the expansion as a gateway on newer content that is released after the expansion. Ie you must have the expansion to use the content but the content is not part of the expansion.
Sorry this entire battle is a lost cause and good riddence it should not be something that Premium ever has access to. -
Quote:in that case it was. As several others pointed out in detail what he/she was asking for was not at all thought out in any way shape or form.Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
Insults really don't advance your argument at all.
Right we have notice that you might be cheating so we want to watch you in game and see if you are? Do we have your permission? No? Fine your account it terminated.
Your saying that wasn't a badly thought out idea and point to try and make? -
Quote:Exactly. Basically through today and ending tomorrow you must have purchased the latest expansion to utilize the newer features in issues released after it. This was to encourage people to go back and buy the last expansion and is somewhat of an industry standard. This doesn't mean that the last expansion itself had the features in it.Originally Posted by LadyGrimrose
Again, Premium was never meant to be a substitue for your subscription.
Additionally as of tomorrow they are effectively rolling all of the expansions into the basic subscription. This means that everyone starting as a subscriber following 9/13/2011 will start even without having to go back and buy previous expansions. Now anyone who has purchased those expansions will have some advantage if the drop to premium in that they will retain a fair amount of the features but not incarnates since they where never specifically part of any expansion. -
Quote:Simple. If you think that NCSoft will do things that you don't want them to do then don't play any of their games.Originally Posted by UberGuy
I don't understand why people think are so completely incapable of separating these two concepts.
- I think NCSoft will do things I would not want them to do to my personal computer and/or the data on it.
- I want to give NCSoft permission that would allow them to do things I would not want them to do to my personal computer and/or the data on it.
Really it is that simple. If you don't trust them then why the #$@$ are you playing their game in the first place? The game itself is running on your computer and could in theory be doing anything it wants to including turning on your webcam and streaming the images from it to Zwillinger's desk.
{Note I don't claim that it is doing any of the above just that it could if someone wanted to bother to program it to.} [So if you want to be paranoid about it fine but sheesh.] -
Quote:Hello ... The entire document is unenforceable on everyone. And yes they know this but the point isn't the enforceability of it but instead that by agreeing to it you theoretically have read it and thus can't turn around and sue them for doing something covered by it. A EULA is essentially a bit fat CYA document.Originally Posted by Shadowe
Just a vague thought on this general matter, because I know a little bit about contract law in the UK:
To enter into any legally binding contract in the UK, both parties must demonstrably have the "capacity to contract" at the time the contract is agreed. It includes all sorts of requirements (including mental health), but the real kicker is "must be aged 18 or over at the time of entering into the contract".
Which ultimately implies that, within the UK at least, the EULA is NOT binding in any way on any person aged 17 or less.
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Quote:shakes head in amazement at the shear density.Originally Posted by Serva_Obscura
If you're not going to do it why not put your money where your mouth is? Is there a reason the EULA couldn't read something like:
TL;DR version: A personal statement of:
"we wont do X and we understand your objection to X"
Is little reassurance in the face of a legal statement of:
"We reserve the right to do X any time we like"
(for values of X akin to "Harvest data from your machine and send it anywhere we like")
Because the EULA is them asking your permission to do X. If you don't agree to it then you don't sign in and play. It is that simple. You are granting them permission by the signing in. One of it's purposes is to avoid the asking every single bloody time the release an update to anything. -
Quote:No anyone who claims that purchasing Going Rogue purchased incarnates is wrong. They where not part of the package when Going Rogue released. Thus they were not purchased with it.Originally Posted by Diggis
Look, I'm not against Freedom, but they said users wouldn't lose access to anything they paid for. And, in buying Going Rogue, you paid for access to the Incarnate system. Can you honestly say that's not a little bit rich?
How would you feel if you bought the cyborg pack, but if you dropped to premium you lost access to it?
What was done was to use Going Rogue as a gateway for incarnates when they did release an issue later. Exactly like purchasing City of Villains unlocked bases for City of Heroes. And then a year or so later they merged the two together. This is the same and anyone trying to claim that they had THE RIGHT TO incarnates is just being a fool and fighting a lost battle. -
Quote:What part of EULA's are not enforceable in part or in whole don't you understand? It is well known and understood that a EULA would not hold up in court if NCSoft were to try and go after YOU for breaching it.Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
There's a whole lot of trust that we're putting in NCSoft when it comes to something like this. In general, I'm okay with that but it doesn't mean that I don't question some of the things that I'm trusting them about or that I don't want to know what the limits of the agreement are.
What it does do is the opposite. By putting the rules out there in as broad of terms as they can they generally protect themselves from you suing them. That is the actual real purpose of a EULA to provide ammunition that you knew about X and so can't sue if they do X. The breadth of the EULA is because they can't predict every X they might want to do. So rather than try to exhaustively cover every random thing they might need to do with regard to the game they try instead to make it as broad as they can. -
Quote:No. Wrong.Originally Posted by seebs
I think you're missing a key point here:
The existance of the EULA clearly suggests that they are considering doing such a thing, and furthermore, it prevents you from doing many of the things about it you otherwise might.
Here you are being foolish. The entire thing is designed to protect them from lawsuits. They can decide tomorrow to include some massive intrusive mess of spyware/security software as part of their game. The EULA isn't the thing allowing them to do that or not do that.
THEY DON'T NEED THE EULA TO DO THAT!
They can do all of the things you appear to be certain that they will do without it or without changing it.
Wake up and smell reality the EULA's entire purpose is to let them short circuit any lawsuits people might bring for various normal things that happen with the game. It isn't there to do other nefarious things. They don't need the EULA to do such things. -
That was interesting and sad.
Now the curious thing is this. What if The Doctor did something like that to himself deliberately? Ie created two of himself in the time stream? One of the things I find interesting about his death is that the only TARDIS we ever see is with the younger Doctor and not the older one. I'm pretty certain that this episode showed us a way that Moffet can get out of the interesting trap he wrote himself at the start of the season.
Mind you there are probably other ways out but it is interesting. -
And to quote Zwillinger from another thread where the EULA is being discussed.
Quote:Originally Posted by Zwillinger
And stepping in...
We have no plans to introduce malicious, harmful or intrusive software to your computers. While we do remain vigilant in our fight against exploits (we will be introducing a new anti exploit measure, server side, come Issue 21, but more about that later) we also respect your right to privacy and will not gather any information without your explicit permission (i.e.; you agreeing to send us crash/bug/whatever feedback via the launcher functionality).
I understand your concerns, but please be assured, we are keeping our watchdog on a leash.
I can also assure you that while we certainly do read third party websites, we do *not* directly action anyone based on comments made outside of our official forums or in game. While we certainly take things said everywhere seriously (all feedback is valid) and investigate concerns no matter the source, we do not action/ban/suspend or otherwise based on second or third hand information that we cannot verify by our own tools. -
Quote:Bother and here I was so looking for them sending a Seed of Hamidon to take out the offenders town.Originally Posted by Zombie Man
E.g., if they detect a bot on your computer, they will burn down your town.
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Quote:Oh the EULA is almost certainly not enforceable.Originally Posted by Rodion
And it's not clear whether any of these things are even enforceable beyond terminating your subscription. Anything else they might say is not enforceable, since you are under duress when you are forced to agree to them, and there's no signature or other explicit acknowledgment of the agreement. This is particularly germane the case of minors who may agree to things without the knowledge or consent of guardians, which is completely possible when time cards are used.
What it does do is protect them if you turn around and sue them for canceling your account and banning you. Basically they can point to the EULA and use it to get your lawsuit thrown out. That is all it really exists for to protect them from you.
And that is why the EULA is so very broad to try and restrict just what you can sue for. -
Quote:Yep that is a clever phrase lawyers have started inserting into things. it is commonly even used in federal laws passed by the congress. That is done so that if part of a law is ruled unconstitutional than the whole thing isn't invalid. Though sometimes they get in such a rush that they forget that bit of boilerplate. Heh.Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Nope. It explicitly states in the document that while the EULA doesn't trump law, if the law trumps a portion of the EULA, that portion of the EULA is unenforceable but rest is still in force.
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Quote:You want to talk about contract law. Youch. Kristine Kathryn Rusch a writer has been discussing changes in writer contracts for the last couple of months. There are some amazingly bad clauses buried in the new contracts going out that attempt to grab all rights from the author if you sign it as is. Some of this is new and some of this is old.Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Let's just say that this is NOT the most hair-raising thing I've ever seen transcribed into contract law.
From what I can see contract law appears to be a full contact battle between the teams of lawyers. -
Quote:The funny thing is that he will probably resubscribe just so he can post his rage quit post in 2 or 3 months.Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
And for what? For him to return and rage quit over something equally stupid two months down the line?
It is amazing the energy he invests in his ranting.