Tenzhi

Indeed, I did. And before being questioned further, I expanded on what I meant by "the same way". The overarching point being that none of those things is actually a buff to Defenders, despite the fact that they can increase the Defender's damage (or vice versa depending on POV).

That is an insignificant difference in their damage contribution as regards defenders. Because they work that way for everyone. What's significant with Defenders is the multiplicative effects of their buffs/debuffs in the presence of more friendly entities contributing to damage. The fact that they are exterior to the Defender AT, is what makes them *not* a buff to Defenders. They're just something that everyone can get.

Of course, that multiplicative effect (be it with pets or teammates) is probably why the Devs will ever be loathe to actually buff Defenders' damage.

I, for one, am not saying that Lore pets are not a useful tool. Just that they are seperate from the AT, and thus of limited relevance to questions of balance within the AT. Which is to say that AT x isn't doing enough damage simply because exterior tool y (be it temporary powers, pool powers, IOs, or inspirations) allows them to overcome their AT's limitations.

That doesn't necessarily make it less amusing to solo SS4 Rula-don with a Six-proc of Brawl by popping your Lore pets, a basket of inspirations, and 14 temporary powers - just less relevant to AT balance discussions.

I never said they were identical. I said that they buff defender damage in the same way. And then I noted that all of them "are entities apart from the Defender's powersets that can enable the multiplicative effects of the Defender's buffs/debuffs." Nowhere did I say they are identical. Whether they are identical is, indeed, a moot point within the scope of the titular issue.

I'm sorry, but it is inarguably a defining aspect of all of them. One that is particularly pertinent to the titular issue.

You can, however, say that they're both fruit and anyone who disagreed with you on the point would look quite foolish.

If damage is the only major difference betwee the two when both are buffed to their max, isn't it, in fact, the only metric that matters in that comparison?

A paradoxical statement: If there were nothing to complain about, one could complain about having nothing to complain about.

Lore pets are entities apart from the Defender's powersets that can enable the multiplicative effects of the Defender's buffs/debuffs. Just like temporary pets and teammates.

Brutes aren't tough enough, in my experience. In my experience, IO set bonuses and Incarnate slots are a tantalizing pipe dream. I'm looking forward to Super Reflexes just because I might finally be able to have a character at the mythical defense soft cap (outside of PFF).

I'd like it to feel like a super hero comic, myself. Like the one with that guy who is nigh invulnerable and still manages to hit harder than a sleepy kitten.

Given other concerns people seem to have about SR, it seems like they could put a small Res buff per enemy in the Evasion aura.

Ha! Now that's funny.

I started watching Baccano! after it was mentioned in this thread, and I'll probably watch all of it. The story is a bit disjointed, but all of the threads have been interesting and I get the sense it may be going somewhere. And it's decent quality, too.

If the manga is, as you said, black and white, then the writer didn't really make a stylistic choice to not colour the background characters given that *everything* was black and white. Thus, the reason I didn't comment on the writer driving the stylistic choice is that the premise was illogical.

And really, I prefer to like anime, generally speaking. I'm not determined to dislike this anime, it's just not particularly good quality, and rather than focussing on the stuff that might have pulled me in despite the quality it focussed on banal characters and a lifeless chatroom. Had it spent less time on those uninteresting things, I would probably have kept watching just to find out what the deal is with the headless biker and the scarred girl.

On the other hand, I've powered through some disappointing anime lately that started out with highly interesting episodes and then just went nowhere or left out all the important stuff (glares at Ga-Rei Zero and Tokyo Majin), so at least this one didn't draw me in just to disappoint me later.

Even with End Reds slotted in attacks, with many characters I find it easy enough to run out of End without the extra drain of the over-expensive Toughness and Weave toggles.

It'd been 63 days since I'd even booted up the game, so I hadn't seen *anyone*.

I just reinstalled it yestreday (had to wipe/reinstall Windows in the last week or two), in fact.

I didn't care enough about what they were saying to give a zeni about who or why. It was more like: hey, they're talking about stuff that the story could be *showing* me instead of sticking me in this dull chat room screen. Even showing the backs of the characters typing would have been better - at least it would have given something to identify them with.

Many anime come from black and white manga. And when they're not lazy they manage to colour everything.

Because they were bland, disembodied voices without faces to identify them with, which also weren't synched up very well to the moonspeak texting bubbles.