Tainted_Greek_EU

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He wasnt being condascending, its kind of a running joke in the PVP zones to say you will petition people for actually using their powers

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*petitions Obot for rational answer*

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MoG pop 2-3 acc and go for it. Or just let the ranged attackers deal with it while you tear apart the rest.

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So I either become a /REGEN or don't team with my friends anymore. Great suggestions TG, keep them rolling in!

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uh what u mean by that.I thought u are regen... If you are not regen and cant get in then you can let someone of the ranged attackers deal with the stormie i not see how this prevents you from teaming with your friends.And is a pretty good suggestion. Just because you are not the one that can take down the stormie it dont mean much. You will let your team deal with it and work with tactics against it

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if you're in a PvP zone yourself, facing an opponent you can't beat and is continually hunting you then you have no choice but to leave.

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The other choices being, buy Yellow Inspirations, IR Goggles or team with someone that has Tactics.

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Very good advice plus using web grenade to immobilize the fleeing stalker works wonders

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an opponent you can't beat and is continually hunting you then you have no choice but to leave.

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There is no opponent that is unbeatable.

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Seems to me that you PvP types are a bit sensitive and any negative observation about the consequences of your behaviour is going to be lablled a complaint as you rush for the "it's PvP, anything goes" defence. Which, it must be said, is looking a little threadbare these days.

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Since you are a PvE type then you have nothing to look for in a PvP zone and finally complaining about getting killed in a PvP zone cause you were trying to PvE is at least a bit irrational

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I would have thought someone as vocally supportive of PvP as yourself would be trying to ENCOURAGE people to explore that aspect of the game - not actively try to drive them away.

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Eh? i dont understand what you mean. How anything from what i posted drives you away. I thought you were driven away from the stalker.

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That PvP, at least in Europe, wouldn't be very successful. Thanks largely to a small number of idiots "ganking" at every opportunity and ruining someone's PvP experience to the point where they leave the zone and don't come back.

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Thats a pretty heavy prediction considering that Sirens Call and Bloody Bay at peak times have loas of people and Warburg is slowly starting to have increased villains population as more and more approach limit cap. Last week i counted 3 villains last night 12 doing missions etc.

If you think PvP isnt successful i not see why all SG's are trying to obtain a full IoP ready base. Expect PvP to escalate a lot more.

As for ganking...yeah its really bad your experience was ruined by a single "ganking" stalker.I feel for you especially at the part you say you could do nothing. Btw there is a temp power you can buy in Sirens Call called Web Grenade immobilizes fleeing stalkers.

Finally if your PvP experience is limited regarding the visits you take to the PvP zones as you say since as you say you not know about Bloody Bay and apparently you not know about Warburg as well please keep predictions to your self since you not even got the raw facts.

Game is still PvE with noone forcing you to PvP and that doesnt change at all your PvE experience.

Congratz Stase was very well deserved and you are an excellent person so i couldnt let this go by without congratulating. Now get that damn weasel to 50 and if he dare stick to 49.9 i ll send the greeks after him

I agree with the OP. You should petition the stalker for bad use of powers..Further more petition for breaking several of the final PvP rules

#5. You MUST announce every single time you are about to attack someone, if they do not reply you are not allowed to attack them. Also ensure that they speak english in advance so as to not take advantage of them

#8. You MUST attack groups (after announcing the attack in advance) and place lower priority on lone players as they may be unable to deal with your attack.

#9. Stalkers must only use their assassin strikes after they have given the opponent a free first hit.

#10. But MOST IMPORTANT of all, ensure that your opponent does not mind having a certain powerset on them. Alergies and unatural reactions to some meta-human abilities can have drastic consequences. When encountering an opponent who does not wish to be attacked with certain types of powers you possess then you MUST restort to the coin-toss emote to decide who would win. The loser must then admit defeat and go kill themselves in the nearest group of NPCs.

I am sure he will be banned

Last but not least

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Riiight so if my bounty target cannot beat me i'm meant to leave them alone then put out a broadcast saying 'Oh <name> you cant beat me so now i wont touch you'

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You sir just wrote PvP rule no.18

well done J a pleasure to have ya back in this community and of course i am glad to know all the BoB details

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LOL poor TG i bet he let u get him PN

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lol actually full story is i was afking chatting to a guy from a villains SG that reported they make a hunt squad for me to take me down and how ubah they are and how they kill me lmao!

Well as for PN i just let him [censored] on his pants with joy for killing me

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Get yourself into a decent SG. For example, The Paragon Defenders are looking to expand at the moment. Maybe you could apply for a place on their forum?

I hear they're the most awesomest SG ever.

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They used to be now they got Powernova

MoG pop 2-3 acc and go for it. Or just let the ranged attackers deal with it while you tear apart the rest.

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I think they've nerfed it on US test anyway

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Actually they havent i just went through the notes and there is no thought about doing so so far.And especially killing the
-acc debuff of melee then the power should be removed cause its purpose is exactly this...kill acc of melee and remove melee from the controller. I personally dont see it happening cause the power seems well balanced with loads of counter moves and tactics.

Here you can also find a nice discussion about hurricane and the general feel is that the power shouldnt be really touched and that comes from a variety of AT's. What i find a nice quote is from my favourite PvP guy in US forums Tal_N

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There is a perfect circle of dependance within the ATs which is the essense of how they are balanced. Hurricane is a trump card against melee ATs, get used to it.

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Sums it up nicely..

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I gotta agree there. The power does what it's supposed to do, there are ways round it. It ain't over powered, it just makes you have to think to achieve your goal. Sure it's a pain in the [censored], but i at least don't expect to be able to kill everything easily. This is a Heroes and Villains world we play in, we all need our nemesis.

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blah i hate you when u agree

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Even at level 40 an MM is no serious threat...

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At this point, I'd just like to point out that there's more than one MM secondary, and at least one of those secondaries can be damned scary by level 40. Solo, you're still hosed - but in a decent team who can keep you alive, I sincerely believe there's still a place for a good MM... the only problem is finding them.

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Never argued about that and i sure agree that there is place is just that the objectives that the MM would have vary a lot imho

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you know 3 players that can hit you...That is my point!

I have no intencion of starting a huricane discution , but i has hoping for litle more honesty from you regarding how powerfull that powers is !

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hmmm sorry but i am totally honest...if 3 players can hit me it means more sure can and i already mentioned u lots of AT's and sets that can.Its powerful of course never said its weak but its not so overpowered as people think

actually i got no fear of hurricane nerf..is just a power.

However u are wrong regarding the effectiveness of high damage AT's against hurricane...MoG,Granite etc go through hurricane and also you can ask plight as well blappers can hit through hurricane..he has easily hit in the past i am sure he can do again.Scrapsters like Marius also hit through hurricane and have no issues with it.All range blasters hit as well...controllers easily place a hold,dominators,brutes and energy stalkers also go through as well.....so thats a pretty long list

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I'll mention one power.. personal Force field

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Snowstorm: locks down floating MM

Quicksand+Earthquake: Debuffs

1 yellow if necessary and lay 3-5 holds PFF shut down.Also remember PFF shuts down inherent power of +acc +dmg

Really good power though PFF gives lots of trouble.And if you not take PFF for PvE u need reconsider or at least try it...is very very good


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If as you say they are so underpowered in PvP i'd imagine their will be a boost in PvP damage or accuracy for them coming some time i the future.

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Never said they are underpowered...the whole build though of an MM is not as effective due to the scaling of pets and the necessary playstyle u need to hold the +acc +dmg to the pets. Maybe if they made the boost perma without ever shutting down would be better (not sure though)

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you cant compare one MM against a normal team as that is rediculous

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petition me ....apart from joking though i meant that when MM's are in teams they are just spotted by the team scout and given priority as targets so the pets can fall...

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8 heroes Vs a team of 8 Robot MMs

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Lol hami raid revisited But still going after the MM and killing is not a deal...there is a way to face such a team which i can tell you in game or pm you if u want still would be a nice fight..

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I think the buffs from an 8 man FF team beats even hurricane

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All ATs have their strengths so long as you exploit them to the fullest.

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you sir are lame *petitions* you cannot use your AT to the max cause it ruins the PvP zone

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ut as it getting lot of disscusion on the us forums

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Discussed yes but what they say some of them is totally laughable like,

"hurricane is so overpowered that noone can go in and is very unfair in PvP cause my stalker cannot perform AS and kill"

Lol... Anyway Sol i will make something for you

Black Aria level 40 Stalker and at least 8 more toons of InsInc approaching the level 40 mark so soooooon.

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(till they nerf it which looks imminent reading the US forums )

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Thanks for making this day a so much happier one

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Dont get too excited i looked around the forums and right now it seems that the people that are crying are simply the ones that dont have a single clue for PvP and therefore dont know any of the wonderful tactics against stormies

The hard facts layed in the US forums are the following

* /energy brutes will just walk right through it and hit you - most likely de-toggling in the process
* anyone with a ranged attack that can stun or toggle-drop will use it on you
* you are just as squishy inside the hurricane

Plus some other small things which i not intend post.

The fact is Storm set is well balanced right now for PvP since its got lots of weaknesses and some good strengths

So dont get excited yet and u know even with hurricane closed u still cant perform AS on most well prepared teams due to perception. Hope your day still goes well

To soll

Dont drop mist under any circumstances and i will be making you a set with slots and powers for Storm and pm it to you asap.

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What level MM's were you fighting? If ive seen Tanks being ripped to shreds by MMs with slotted Assault bots i'd say your empath would take a teeny weeny bit more damage than they would however much you can heal yourself.

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Even at level 40 an MM is no serious threat...assault bot goes down really easy not to mention how fast you can silence it by simply placing a nice hold on it or acc debuff it to hell. As for the rest of pets they are just no threat due to level difference and difficulty in layng hits. PvE wise MM's REALLY GOOD PvP forget it just cannon fodders and little nuisance to PvP teams.Even the tactical approach that some MM's use by staying way back kills the MM inherent power of +acc +dmg to bots so they are doomed. Staying back kills the chances staying close is just like inviting the other team to kill.

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Hurricane is the best defence my brute has in pvp (ty TG :P), healt drop to red (run to TG) , low end (run to TG and end drain him) , 4 angry scrapers chasing me (run to TG and taunt them)

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You can TP him and build some fury off him too as he inevitably stops to type "lol" or "u nub" or some other innane comment. It doesn't matter that you're missing because any attack builds fury and you can get a good 1/3-1/2 a bar off him as he stands there waggling his e-peen.

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yeah and while u building fury standing next to me i am sure you enjoy me placing holds on you and eventually licking the floor..go you and your tactics

your gravity/storm would make a really good pvp toon as well as the ice/ice blaster. I am sure Xanthus can help you out with the Gravity part as he is prolly the best gravity pvp toon i know and i can help you if u want with the Storm set or Nightbringer since he got the set as well and knows the PvP tricks and trades.

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i've learned that patience while stalking pays off big time.

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Thats very very true and i agree with you. A stalker is the one that will perform a very critical and surgical hit and removal from the opposite team. however like i said the strategies that kill the chances of the stalker to perform this hit are far too many. It needs a lot of effort from the stalker sideto perform a hit like that towards a well prepared team.

Regarding MM's hmmm well the only reason right now they can tear through some AT's is only due to the fact that most AT's that step in PvP zones are not PvP orientated. Put a full PvP MM against a PvP tanker/scrapper/blaster and they are done deal. The PvP blaster simply take a 2 hit kill towards the MM and not mention team situations where the MM's are just the easy kills.

i will quote something from a discussion in US boards about MM's pvping in open zones

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i recall Obot only recetnly mentioning asasult bots in Pvp

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and if u read my post you will read that i clearly state 2nd and 3rd class pets which includes assault bots.

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In the end if you're PvPing with an MM toon, don't expect too much and go into it for the 'fun' of PvPing.

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Base raids of course is a whole different story

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COnts and MM have low HP everyone knows that, thats why the rely on pets and holds. In teams they are aforce alone vulnerable. Your a cont you know that??

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And you are wrong a PvP controller doesnt rely on pets EVER. Simply because their role isnt damage. And when it comes to 1vs1 situations if u think a controller is vulnurable then i think you need look around PvP forums and try PvP 1vs1 a controller.And yes i know iu am controller thats why i know what i am talking about. further more i know the MM's since i have already played one to level 36 so i speak from experience regarding MM effectiveness.

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I know all that thanks, i was refering to Plight saying that he'd win a duel fighting at lvl 50 if you read my post.
And if u look i pointed out the hit and run as well....

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Regarding Hackitoff all i can say is he is a good stalker and knows his set. Until he goes up higher level and gets a fair chance with better slotting and SO's like the level 40's i have been up to to test the stalkers versus my build
i not express any opinion.Gimpman is a special mental case of a stalker

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ROFPMSL how can you indeed

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The stalker is one of the easiest sets to negate in a PvP zone in teams with multi strategies for it that make a stalker really pinned down in the case of well prepared team.

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corrupting powers will 'negate' it

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if by negate u mean let you decrease its effectiveness only one secondary set does and thats only regarding the knockback.

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The key for you i'd rekkon would be getting one to to toe not open???

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Thanks for that really good suggestion thats why the boxes and corners are for in PvP zones. Get a stalker in there and root him and watch him struggle in agony.Environmental Tactics are the best to killing stalkers due to their hit and run nature in the open.

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And they can miss

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A good PvP stalker will never miss. BU + couple of yellows and the hit will land (unless we talk about debuffs put on stalker)

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I think a MM with full pets and SO's will be a force too shortly

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An MM will never be a threat in a PvP zone only a nuisance since the pets that actually pull damage and actually manage land hits are the 2nd and 3rd class.Since you can take down the MM and that auto kills the pets an MM is no big threat in a PvP zone for a well prepared team.

EDIT: This is based on US forums PvP threads as well. The fact that the pets are very vulnurable to specific debuffs and attacks basically doesnt allow an MM for some really good damage output..combined with the low HP then a MM is a n easy prey

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I'm just awaiting thehero attempts to squash stalker thread

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There is no need for one as its too obvious what u need to do to get a stalker.

1) stay on the move which interrupts the AS

2) Use + perception and never give the impression to stalker that u can see him always give the confidence he is invisible

3) fire AOE that reveal stalkers and u are done

4)stick together so even when stalker tries to perform the hit to effectively kick him out of this world even if he perform assasin.

5) make sure to root stalker first so he wont go anywhere..kill his jump and fly and he is a done deal if the team has enough +perception

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Aww, they're a menace to conts and blasters

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tbh never found a stalker to be a menace in except gimpman and 3 more who fortunately belong to my SG (thats merely an observation without wanting to say anything for anyone based on the stalkers i have come across so far in PvP zones)

EDIT: considering they are level 40 or close to it i used them to test PvP against stalkers and thats where i base my observation on that. It has nothing to do with anyones skills