Tainted_Greek_EU

hmmm sinnce i am with a fresh format and lost my hero builder files here is some quick set up of my build..

slag burst snipe full auto the primary attacks i have.
Webnade drone cloak device caltrops trip mine

And from power pools:

Assault tactics,whole stamina pool except health,Hasten and ss,air superiority +fly

All attacks are slotted 3 range 1acc 2 dmg.

i will try make the build and post it here.

TANAKA STOP SCREAMING IN MY EARS ZOMG!!!!

hey sag happy bday mate and many happy returns

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well i was in sirens call lastnight with a a great team of stalkers and a dominator but the one thing i noticed was the amount of people moaning about a stalkers tactics. every few minutes there was abuse being hurled over broadcast that all we do is hit and run and that we are basically cowards. now to me of these people have never played a stalker as much as i have then they cant really comment but i would like to know what you all think?

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i think stalkers are easy prey and in high level pvp they will suffer.Also i think that stalkers hit and run tactics are valid due to their nature and the way they are build.
I have to add this is a really overburnt subject too
Finally all your stalkers are belong to me (except stupid spines) .

Anyone who says stalkers are cowards needs a team in the pvp zones cause solo wont help them much

And abuse in broadcast channels is simnply dumb so petition is your friend.

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Mostly PvE. I do some PvP but generally I get fed up faceplanting every time a stalker gets close to me.

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Hmmm i am playing an AR/Dev blaster full PvP spec with a stalker hunter build...so i cant help u on the PvE part..however lose the taser is one of the really worthless powers.

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Well the holding fase took 10 mins or so, so it wasnt that long.

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Yeah, felt like Hami was held almost instantly and before we knew it, he was below 50%.. We must have done something right

Iirc there were around 30 controllers in the hive? Did anybody check?

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The holding phase lasted so little due to the amount of pure holders as well as the recharge times of holding spam.

Herostats came up with the number 14 for AM's stacked plus 4 SB's. This explains the speed of the hold phase and the success in killing hami. The more often these holders appear the better for everyone

Good Fun all around nice turnout that helped a lot and Xan well done as always.

I will give u my HO to give to Cyberknight that didnt get one.

repel hami to Atlas??? hmmm sounds awsome.Imagine the faces of people waiting lets say at train station and hami pops out from the doors... lol mayhem!!

are u playing a pvp or pve AR/Dev?

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I dont think we know if it works. TK + 1 hold will hold any boss, meaning there is some stacking effect. I think it will effectively add another hold, but Im not sure.

I say go ahead, use your TK.
Worst case it doesnt work and nothing lost.
Best case; its a permanant stacked hold which is more than any other power can deliever.

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does this mean 30 mind trollers with TK and TK epic toons =Hami hold party?

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I have Telekinesis as part of my Epic on my Kin defender, as well as dominate, TK doesn't take Hold Durations, but IS a hold, does this mean that we are not using TK

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TK is an autohit toggle hold therefore it doesnt take hold duration. Normally it should be used within the hive but i think G-Zeus should post here to clear that up.

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Last note TG while I missed the recent raids for reasons discussed in another thread I have never myself felt a failed raid was the fault of the organisers and have said as much to some of the organisers in past raids. Yes ok thats me, but I have never ever come across anyone who felt that raid leaders botched it either.

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Hmmm just to clarify something cause my english and the insane jetlag made me not very clear about what i meant.

I didnt mean people went around blaming the leaders or organisers BUT bottomline is during such things for anything that might go wrong it comes down to those that lead the raid to solve it and anticipate things that might come up. And even if people wont point the finger at the end of a raid successfull or not the leaders of the raid certainly have to carry a lot of the responsibility especially when it all fails.

Even if it all goes perfect and is just due to the server a failure is a failure and leaves a bitter taste to all and especially to the raid leaders due to the amount of effort put and the stress they go through during the raid.

Sounds a bit excessive maybe but thats the way it is..a mass stress with yellow letters from tells all over the screen and broadcasts,requests,GM's,Hami's HP, Teamspseak, lag, powerspam,watching the groups move around,coordinating PA drops,aggro management,yelling at people,repeating orders,adjusting things on the go with the rest raid leaders.Sounds an awful lot and it is.

Anyway point is lets go and have fun, everyone just put their cossies for the raid come there in good spirit and just do their best in coordinating.

Those that dont know anything about a raid should ask the more experienced ones and not hesitate even bug one of the leaders for some quick info.

By the way any new players that need more clarification on what they need know for the raid feel free to send me a tell in game or offline message and i will mail you or pm you some helful things to know.Best i can do to help some people that might not know.

I ll be outside the Hive early as well since i wanna enjoy this raid from the non leading side this time around..

Cya all tomorrow and Lode welcome back forgot to say earlier

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What my point was, but I don't thing anyone got, what happens to your freedom?I know you prefer people not to come in capes and auras because of lag but what if people do?

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The difference is Hamidon is not a regular zone where people go to have a bash and a party and thats what people not realise. It requires a lot of effort from more than 100 people and as the pyramid of authority goes up u find more and more stress and responsibilities gathered on top.It sounds weird yes but while everyone else simply appears outside the Hive the people organising a raid go through a Marathon for many days before the actual raid.During the raid things are seriously hectic.The amount of tells requests spam outside info and the whole coordination part is strenuous enough. Anyone that doesnt understand this feel free to put a raid together and you will see what i mean.

When we are talking about a community effort towards a common goal there is simply no room for much freedom.You need a plan to be set out that people will stick with it and is well thought out. This is how society works.Someone decided to carry the responsibility of organising sets the rules people need to follow and he thinks is best way to achieve and is ready to take the blame.

You know that for every failed raid majority puts the blame on the organisers/leaders of raid and is the leaders that take responsibility for the outcome. So when you decide to take part to such an event cause its volunteer event u cant talk about freedom.There is little freedom when there is a lot of coordination required.People dont really understand this and thats why in raids u see the usuall people saying "sod them what do they know" and then they run to mitos alone cause they think their ubah scrapper can kill the mito or taunt hami or they think they knwo better so they turn on steamy mist to get "protection". And of course when Hami puts the game over sign is all blamed on the organisers.

this might sound harsh but the organiser/leader of a raid has to know when to be harsh and direct.Insulting of course and abuse is out of the question but still a level of control has to be maintained in situations like this.Otherwise the 100 people inside the blob become a mob and is game over for everyone.Many will think [censored] this guy talking about but like everything in life when u wanna do good in something it takes a lot of effort.Cheesy?Maybe but thats the truth.See u all tomorrow in the Hive as i am back from USA and i ll be there with my spoons as well Good luck to organisers.

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TG, is your avatar Swedish?

Can't take my ruddy eyes off it!!!! Damn you!!! *shakes fist in air before going back to watch avatar*

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I let the nationality to your imagination amongst other things

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It makes my character look alive, like you can see more into him throw his eyes now and I don't really want to lose the effect.

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This is a raid not a beauty contest.You want the beauty contest np make a cossie contest etc etc.During a raid you come prepared for the raid even if it means that you look like a bag of chips.


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I can confirm it's not a beauty contest, I've seen TG on a raid in his speedos and it ain't beautiful.

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You not want me in speedos in there tomorrow trust me

congratz starstorm

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It makes my character look alive, like you can see more into him throw his eyes now and I don't really want to lose the effect.

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This is a raid not a beauty contest.You want the beauty contest np make a cossie contest etc etc.During a raid you come prepared for the raid even if it means that you look like a bag of chips.

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I've read the guide and don't get me wrong I'm all up for having a plan but you keep using this will cause lag and that will.... but surely all these little bits is nothing compared to the lag thats going to be cause by the number of peeps who turn up.

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Apparently you havent been to a raid.

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Also why does it have to be game over when the yellow things appear?

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Because when the "yellow things" appear they hold a big sign that says ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US FROM THE FRIGGIN LAG OF 100+ players and 1 "yellow thing" for every player in the blob which makes it 100+ DEAD players and 100+ "yellow things".

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If your are roleplaying then a hero would be willing to put his/her life on the line no matter the odds and no matter how hopless it looks but you say just to give up?? Thats not very heroic.

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We dont say give up the server says give up with the INSANE LAG.

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If this is a community thing surely you should be encouraging people to turn up and not turning them away because they don't fit in to your plan?

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Actually this is an open invite to all that want to participate provided that its not a mass chaos in there and everyone fulfills their role.A raid is a coordinated attack and not a playground where everyone does what he/she wants.

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Do you even think about the rest of the community below lvl 45?

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NO.Because they are not in the Hive at that moment.


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Then of cousre theres this conga line I've heard about, something once again cause lag and which will affect those of us not taking part in the raid.

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Is this a joke or something?The conga line was something made when we beat Hamidon 2times.What is this all about.

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The community is EVERYONE not just those who do what you tell them too. If you think the community is just your little group going to fight a big old blob then well done, you're starting your own little dictatorship.

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Community:A group of people having common interests. Taking down Hamidon is a common interest.During a raid simple rules are set to be followed in order for this community to achieve its goal.A group of 100+ players out of a 700 player base is not a small group.

ID and IR are ok tbh although ID is not really necessary since a small stun for a few secs under the heal blanket wont make any difference.IR simply is necessary for those non flyers. The major issue power is Fulcrum that has "transfer to all around" animation that cause havc lag

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I think it's more of a case of a good Spines/Regen will eat good Blasters alive. With Spines you've got the ability to keep a Blaster at range - which is what must be done, Blasters simply can't do enough damage to kill a Scrapper before the Scrapper kills them at a range.

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I agree here, my blaster only has two viable single target attacks at range (not including AoEs) and I would struggle as soon as the Spines ranged Immob (!!!!) plants me on the ground. But since yours is ground based, I have more range than your attack with my snipe, followed by possibly a few quick melee knockback attacks. Maybe.

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A good scrapper will never allow you to use snipe remember that.Too long animation and the ease with which u can be interrupted makes you open for being torn apart with snipe

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*pulls upa chair near gan and sip's cold tea*

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Remember the day we tried to fight off that swarm of pesky villains? *rocks back in his chair* Ahh those were days, now all I have left is a pesky ulcer. Would you be a dear and fetch me some tea as well?

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i knew u were getting old but not THAT old..

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You best start paying me in Inf now, TG. Won't be long and you'll be needing a retirement home as well. Paragons welfare system isn't very kind to its old heroes

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You hsould have started paying me inf if that was case long ago u damn old git get out of bed and come inside PvP to kick you in the kidneys

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What about when they make all the people of an architype have to be in a certain colour cozzy?

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Oh yes the colour coding.Let me explain this also. Its not some weird kinky twist the organisers have. Imagine during the raid there is a need at some team for an X AT,which usually happens a lot. The organisers have the ability to go through the AT's fast instead of putting tells out asking who wants to help and losing time. When the AT's are colour coded is far more efficient regarding organising teams etc.

Furthermore during the raid there are many new people that dont bother to stick with the plan or the usual people that insist to use powers that lag and are absolutely useless.Fulcrum shift for example. Is far easier to keep an eye on purple and blue uniforms to find who is spamming the wrong power and tell him to stop rather than searching the hive population.

So you see is not by luck or removing any freedom is simply for efficiency during the raid.It might seem small to you but for those leading and organising that need to keep track of a majority of paramters during such pandemonium it means a lot.

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As an invunerable scrapper I light up brighter than a christmas tree with all my toggles on and I'm sure there's other builds out there with powers that could look like if not over power costume auras.Is it me or does it sound silly for you guys to ask peeps to remove auras from cossies they are happy with then hassle them because they haven't?I'm sure the last time hammi was killed there were peeps with capes in the pics. Do you really want to squash the freedom of people who want to join but don't want to lose their auras or capes?

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Ok this is 100th time this comes up so lets set it straight why lag is such an issue from capes and auras etc.

First of all the organisers of the raid dont have any intention to play god almighty uppon others by asking them to remove the capes.If it was up to them they would prolly say to come dressed as a christmas tree and lighten up the Hive. Unfortunately the server has major issues with thoughts like this.

Secondly the organisers certainly appreciate the usage of FS,lightning storm,darkest night,shields,toggles,novas,taunts,aoe etc etc but certainly have a good grasp of how USELESS these are during the raid due to the special nature of Hami and the Efficiency/lag ratio (for FS). So when someone asks to stop the FS or any powers is not because he is ignorant or a some new guy but apparently cause he knows there is issue with this power being used plus its USELESS.

Finally the whole lag issue and the effort to decrease it as much as possible is simple. During the hold phase its utterly CRUCIAL to have the best update possible regarding the progression of Hami's lifebar and to manage the Vanguards at best possible way.Every little effort regarding lag helps in this believe me.There has been a raid where the use of Vanguard was delayed due to lag issue based on the Hami hp bar and the mitos spawned.

So what do we learn?
This is always a community effort.Work all together and we stand a chance. Once the famous "I" comes into play then its all gone to the Americans. Thats the lesson i ve learned at least from all raids i ve been in and organised or led.

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What "regrouping"? Far too often heroes just stand there for fifteen minutes before they skedaddle back to Steel Canyon. Or (sometimes) stand there for fifteen minutes sending tells to all their friends simply refusing to leave the safe zone before they outnumber they villain side massively

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These heroes are not issue then since they dont run back to the hospital they just stand there sending tells so they have nothing to do with what you suggest.

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This is what usually happened when I took my more heroic alts into Siren's Call too. (I teamed with you on occasion) Far too often my poor Scrapper would find herself outnumbered because all the heroes simply ... vanished, leaving her alone. (But they would be the first thing she saw when exiting the hospital door.) Only when the numbers shifted heavily in favour of the heroes would the battle roll toward the villain base, where everyone would camp and wait for the usual villains suicide attacks.

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I dont think we ever teamed and i had to flee to hospital cause i stand in fight even when outnumbered by large numbers. The fact is it is up to individuals what tactics they are going to follow.Is the same like asking from the stalkers to stand and fight instead of fleeing after a successful AS.

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I just really wish that most heroes would stand and fight after engaging -- or being engaged by -- a villain, and not just run back to the hospital at the first sign of trouble.

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The regular population of good players never runs to hospital i am sure of this 100%.Remember that all the action has been shifted recently towards Warburg.

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(The word "kill stealing" springs to mind for some reason, but I believe "kill denying" would be more appropriate.)

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Kill stealing doesnt exist in Sirens really cause its a zone that puts HvsV with a common goal against each other as a whole.As for kill denying still you cant speak of this since runing to hospital is a valid tactic for those engaged in combat.

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The more I think about it the more I really wish some mechanism could be implemented which would give heroes an incentive for not being yellow.

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What is yellow for?

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Many thanks TG Bind works fine now. Was away yesterday so couldnt thankyou.

K

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you are welcome

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*pulls upa chair near gan and sip's cold tea*

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Remember the day we tried to fight off that swarm of pesky villains? *rocks back in his chair* Ahh those were days, now all I have left is a pesky ulcer. Would you be a dear and fetch me some tea as well?

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i knew u were getting old but not THAT old..