Tainted_Greek_EU

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Is hidden in side there a compliment TG?

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Well obviously. Just a few names that spring in my head for good fun and nice feeling in the zone when they play their stalkers

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and it takes an age to get them all back on again...... on the current status quo I wouldnt pvp with any brute but granite

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why are ppl afraid to fight with toggles down?

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I dunno prolly they feel naked and also vulnurable.Depends of course what toggles you lose and who you fight.

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slag burst snipe full auto the primary attacks i have.
Webnade drone cloak device caltrops trip mine


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What kind of power is that Greek?

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Obviously i posted your build and not mine

Mine has slug

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Only other thing that can withstand a dedicated blaster is someone running unstoppable. And that cannot be broken even with end draining. (though they will propably automatically lose after a while but its still fun to be adamant for those 3 minutes )

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Lol i hate unstopabble....:/ is really annoying power

If it is to go on test server just tell me to set it up cause i am from a format and need to reset it.

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well tell you what mate we will agree to disagree on this one,

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinions

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Indeed but also everyone is allowed to provide valid arguements to support what they are saying to make it even more valid in a debate which i have.

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but dont assume i am a newbie because i play a stalker in pvp,

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I never said that.There are other ways to fgure out if someone is newbie to PvP.

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i also happen to pvp with my brute alot and have a great laugh.

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So??i dont doubt you do did i say you dont?

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and dont say the majority of stalkers hve a god complex.

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Very godlike statement are you playing a stalker by any chance?
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Read my posts again cause obviously you didnt understand what i say and of course dont tell me what to say just provide me with valid arguements to change my mind cause so far i see none.


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do you play on defiant by any chance or union?? you cant say you have met every stalker in pvp can you

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Same i can say for you.Just because you teamed with a bunch of 40's dont think you have seen everyone out there.Oh and take a look around the USA boards and see the stalkers discussions.It will enlighten you a lot. and dont tell me i dont know all the USA stalkers.

Oh and i play on Defiant.

if there is no troller group flyer i can be your flight for the day with my fully slotted for speed groufly that will allow maneuvers better than the lady in my avatar

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lol well i only wanted peoples opinions in general and it has turned into a massive topic, oh well obviously people have strong feelings on the matter which is sound!

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Dont get me wrong i dont have a gripe against you i have a gripe with the whole stalker issue.I like stalkers as they are i dont want them nerfed in anyway simply cause i never had issues with them even when i die from stalkers. But trying to tell me that stalkers are the victims here is a bit too much for me after the epxerience i had with them which is since day 1 stalkers wealked in pvp zones.I have followed stalkers from Bloody Bay when they were level 15 to Sirens and Warburg.For many many hours of gameplay.Very few stalkers have made impression to me so far. I wont name the latest ones like Krunch and Tanaka or Smirk,Northi but Hackitoff,Stalk-obot,Gimpman are names that when they played across the zones it was always an awsome laugh and a lot of effort no matter if heroes died or villains died. With excellent gaming sessions and good laughs.

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my point is that toggle ATs aren't all stupid pvp noobs who are useless without toggles

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True but i preffer an experienced pvp blaster over an experienced pvp brute any day simply cause a>b

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1. i was not complaining i just wanted peoples opinions as to why all stalkers get is abuse via broadcast.

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Because a)its usually the stalkers that provoke the abuse with moronic comments b)the person doesnt like dying and gets abusive in which case ignore is your friend

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2. i never shout over broadcast "haha i have just as'd u" or any gloating comments.

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Maybe but a big majority of stalkers does cause they got the "Stalker is a god" PvP syndrome

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3. Most of the time i congratulate my oponants on a good scrap which i love to have.

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Congrats to you.

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4. Fair enough there are a few stalkers who act stupid but that can be said for all other at's, it depends on the players not the at's.

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Like i explained stalker is the only AT that gives you this enormous impression of power and ownage.That explains why the majority of abuse on villains side comes from stalkers.Cause they feel untouchable with AS and hide.

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5. A stalker is a very good pvp a't to have, as you can probably tell by the amount of us there are in there, and most of my teams have contained lvl 40 toons so you cant call us beginners

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The amount of stalkers out there explains that its a beginners AT.Its the best solo PVP AT to have for racking up kills and learning.Furthermore dont tell me about levels and relation to skill because we all know how a vast majority of stalkers levels out there.Is called papering 24/7. Fastest way to get a stalker to 30 in a few days. So level 40 doesnt prove any skill.Even trying to indicate that the level is a skill indication is a bit of a joke.I can point you a fair bunch of level 50 heros that play like level 1's in the pvp zone. The difference is a stalker from level 6 and on is easier to play because he relies on a specific inherent power to perform and is really REALLY easy to play.Now dont tell me a stalker is difficult to play cause i play 2 stalkers and yeah well its no rocket science to hit AS every time you are near someone. Limited paths of tactics and limited creativity when it comes to stalkers for pvp is what you have.Feel free to argue that but its a big truth.Purpose of a stalker is always the same.Follow, AS run away. PvP to its most simplified form.

such a server would open room for expanding the kind of gameplay that would be introduced within the game.Plus a whole new aspect would come into place.Called politics.Due to the mixed nature of the server there would be a lot of room for alliances and treaties and more wide scale tactics involved.

Also a new zone with sieges on nations HQ's would be awsome.Imagine the heros of UK making an alliance with the villains of USA to raid the Heros of USA which would be allied with koreans villains and heros.....MAYHEM!MM's dropping pets everywhere...stalkers jumping inside the walls to perform first wave kills...Advanced blaster squads providing info about the attack and waves of heros and villains waiting for the attack single to storm in the HQ and fight till everyone drops...bah i need play some Shogun now...lol

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and it takes an age to get them all back on again...... on the current status quo I wouldnt pvp with any brute but granite

[/ QUOTE ] yes granite would be the only brute standing some luck in pvp but needs a lot of support,kinetics etc.Plus you can break granite with stacked holds ir the always working end drain technique.

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I think the EA entropy sheild is as good as any of the anti-mez toggles and can be broken with 3 decent holds, i should imagine that the others are the same. That said I am very rarely held regardless of well organised teams (run away ftw )

[/ QUOTE ] Its true that all mez protected need 3 holds to break the protection.BUT remember that they are toggles and they can be dropped.So it will take only one stacked hold to hold you.

The difference with your tactic boty is that you follow a clear impaling route rather than AS. So this means that you perform impales and run giving slight chance for toggle dropping you since you got range already.Majority of stalkers though comes melee and once AS hits or they are spotted 1 hold and toggledrop is enough to hold them in place. The only chance there is for you to be held is if there is a fear effect on you and then coordianted hold spiking on you and this is how we get you down due to the nature of impaling tactic.

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is this specifically aimed at one person or general comments to all brutes?

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This is a general truth to all toggle relying AT's. A brute is a blasters paradise for toggle dropping and for storm controllers.With a stormie i can toggle drop you in 2 or maybe one go all your toggles with 2 clouds up and clap.But i dont have the damage to perform the kill.A blaster packs all the damage necessary to perform the kill plus to toggle drop you and hold you easily.Thats why toggle dropping is an issue right now at pvp and will be toned down.Because the brutes at 1vs1 with a blaster are wiped.Feel free to ask imaginary about it or any good pvp blaster out there.You got toggles they are gonna drop and then is like sitting naked in the cornfield.

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A good Stalker is one that can kill you regardless of the precautions that you've taken. A good Stalker is one that has built his own toon to counteract the counteractions you have in place
And lastly a good stalker is one that the people he is killing can have a laugh with... It's all in the name of fun man

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Couldnt agree more too bad that these are rare today Zep.You gimpy and boty rarely come out these days in sirens or any pvp zone.

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well its just the same as people generalising stalkers saying all we do is run away which is broadcast all the time in pvp. this was my whole point in the 1st place, its ok for people to label stalkers as being cowards and having a go at our tactics apparantly but no other at's retreat do they???

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I am sorry but retreating is not bad.Have you seen any other AT attacking giving you 2 hits then running away as a tactic?Not that is not valid tactic.This is how stalkers were designed.But dont try convince that stalkers dont do that.Its a sneaky tactic that ensures a kill and thats one of the reasons stalker is beginner AT in pvp.Easy kills dont make you a good player. Imho there is nothing wrong with stalkers and not even the AS shouldnt be nerfed cause thats their only weapon. Its stalkers that broadcast "1 0wnz j00" after each AS that think they are good pvpers that annoys me.The other day a stalker in sirens insisted on me checking his pvp reputation which was 400 and that he is a good player when that player actually left the zone when we formed a proper pvp team. 15 villains vs 4 heros and boty calls for help and i go in sirens to find fleeing villains from the zone cause we got a team in there.

Try play a controller and rack 400 pvp rep or try play a tanker and rack up 400 pvp rep.Or a dominator or an MM.Now that requires skill. And good teams and coordination and double the effort rather than mashing the AS button on lonely preys till you see the counter hit 400.

The good players that play a pvp stalker know all this and certainly i am sure they dont go throwing abuse over broadcast for every kill they perform and certainly dont come here crying about the way people call stalkers a running away AT cause they realise a stalker was build for that.To hit and run.And they are damn good at it.

If you know all this that stalkers are indeed hit and run and just because you kill people they get irritated which is natural why start ranting on here?Just kick back relax and make a small smile as u watch them die.Thats far better answer.

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Dont stalkers get quite a lot of mez protection? Not disagreeing with you, just that I hear a few stalkers boasting a lot about how holding them is a waste of time. Plus I dont know of any way a controller can get stacked perception without multiple tactics.

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The only stalker with non problematic mez protection is the ninjitsu set and the SR set in terms of toggle dropping.
Stack a hold on a stalker and use toggledrop and u ll see what insta held means.Furthermore the good old combo fear+hold+toggledrop works wonders to fleeing stalkers.Any stalker boasting about mez protection well they havent played against well organised pvp teams. As far as i am concerned the only set that has some bragging rights to this is the ninjitsu set that resists fear techniques and it takes 4-5 stacked holds to actually break the mez protection.The rest are easy to hold in well organised teams.

In teams using targetters and furthermore advanced targetters with assist command stalkers go through nightmare with focused holds on them that result to insta holding.

By the way advanced targeter can be played only by /dev blasters.

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ok you are entitled to your own opinion tainted however please do not tar me with the same brush as other stalkers you have fought in the past, i don't go around complaining about all Tanks just because an ice one has smashed me to bits b4 and since i have played this stalker from when cov came out i am certainly not a beginner. i have fought all other at's 1 vs 1 on many occasions

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Ok let me explain some things no matter how you are gonna take them. First of all you started the thread complaining about how people complain about stalkers, which is obviously a dead subject cause it has been discussed from day one in PvP zones. Second of all the whole beginner thing to me looks like you not see the whole thing from any other point of view except the stalkers side of view. Furthermore the whole blaster corruptor standing ground against brutes is a bit weak dont you think?Although most blasters will tear your brute to shreds and believing otherwise is a bit begginerish since the amount of toggledropping you are gonna suffer exceeds your imagination and you know that once toggledropping commences the spanking begins with the nice hold and damage combos the blaster producers.


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I have been in pvp on a few occasions with my ss/ea brute and have no worry about jumping into the middle of a crowd because i play to my toons strengths. how many blasters/corrupters do you see standing their ground vs a brute? they fly high or maintain a distance so they can use their ranged attacks which is playing to their strengths.

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I can name you a bunch of people but i will tell you this.All self respecting pvp blasters will shred your brute to pieces from melee.Energy secondary from blasters relies on toggle dropping which is performed melee.Furthermore the blappers will all fight you melee and if you dont believe me i can always get the pvp blaster population on here and post the exact time it takes to shred a brute to pieces in 1vs1.

If imaginary reads this or plight trawler they can post since they are some of the best pvp blasters out there

As for the brush i didnt tar you with anything is actually what you say that makes things kinda obvious.

To boty: Impale is included in the common attack combos You are just more build towards impaling from range melee negating toons Thats the maximum of originality u can get from the stalker set. The rest are the same old story called Assasin Strike.

To be clear i will repeat.Stalkers are fun.In hands of good player they can be deadly bullets causing enormous pain.Inside good teams they remove targets surgically.

But they still remain the beginners PvP AT.Where all new players will learn and will actually get introduced to PvP.Thanks to everyone posting above and clarifying what i said you are all spot on.

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I seem to remember seeing Colonel Greek (on my flatmates computer) faceplanting quite a few times after being hit by scourge last night.

Seems nobody is invulnerable.

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Heh the funny is that i play with 1hp all around the pvp zones and i kill 20 for every single death i get from being brawled to death (cause thats what it takes). By the way you dont need scourge to kill someone with 1hp .Then i again i wasted your corruptor friends with 2 shots in the head

HAppy B-day spad have a nice one best wishes all around

funny is that after that he got annoyed by my defiance build for pvp and tried play with his blaster doing the defiance trick with an Energy/Energy blaster....lol..perma faceplant..

i had made a suggestion a while ago to actually create a server with ranking system that would be common for all.Koreans,USA,EU,French,Germans....now that would be awsome.A massive server with open battles with teams from all over the world going there.Just imagine the RV chasing the koreans having the flag while allying with the french and germans to kill the usa boys standing in the way If cryptic implements that it would be the move of the century and would bring masses of players in such a server.

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i beg to disagree if i am fighting one on one i will never back down from a fight if there are a few heroes in one group then i will use my stalker tactics.

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You are one.Not the stalker population.Furthermore let me remind you that stalkers were not made to stand their ground.Against a scrapper you are bound to turn into a nice bowl of mashed potatoes if u go toe to toe.Against a controller you ll be held and sit there while the controller kills you.And finally against a blaster well good luck. Especially if we talk about blappers pulling some insane damage combos. The tanker i not mention because simply toe to toe you cannot kill.Oh and stnading ground actually means that you not run away for hide to come back so you pull AS.Means to actually stand ground which leaves your hide out of play.

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I disagree that stalkers are a beginners at, i certainly am not a beginner infact i have fought a fair few scrappers and stood my ground.

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Explain me why u disagree because i certainly dont see why u believe is otherwise.

1)Which AT is easiest to pull a lot of kills while soloing in PvP even in a crowded area?

Stalker

2)Which AT is the easiest to create an effective PvP build no matter what the primary/secondary choice is?

Stalker

3)Which AT regardless of primary/secondary uses the same attack cycle in pvp and is common for everyone?

Stalker (BU,AS,Placate,Attack)

4)Which AT provides the safest way to pull a lot of PvP kills having the lowest risk vs reward index?

Stalker

This is why a stalker is a beginners AT in pvp.Is good to learn the ropes u dont need teams and certainly you can learn the game mechanics.

And thats why i said in hands of really experienced players a stalker is a pain.In the hands of inexperienced ones thinking they are the gods of pvp when they enter the pvp zone well is going to get messy for them and the spanking commences as soon as they hit AS.

Fighting a few scrappers and standing your ground doesnt make you a non beginner.

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i agree stalkabot and even without as i can still hold my own in a one on one fight due to my regen powers, all i do is bang on instant healing and dull pain.

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Sure you can.Against blasters and controllers and defenders.Except sotrmies,well plus some controller sets cause well build scrappers will rip you apart with no problem.Not to mention 2 shots death from blasters with damage that wont appear on your log. U need to face it that most stalkers usually are hyenas. They come to finish off what others hit or go around in a pact and run away at first shooo. Is not a bad thing but dont tell me u can stand your ground cause 99% no stalker stands his ground.And the reason is because they are not build for that.

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and not all stalkers complain tainted, i have been in a team o stalkers a few times and we have had a great laugh.

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True only the ones that thing stalker is the god of pvp and land at hard reality that is usually a beginners AT for pvp. In the hands of a really experinced player a stalker is really awsome.In the hands of a furstrated because he is dying player it turns into an abuse spitting dummy because the stalker MUST be the pvp god. but is not simple as that.

Killing the poster above me 15 times in a row as he was running like a headless chicken thinking noone can see his stalker.Simply because he waqs spamming "j00 n00b owned" over broadcast while ganking with another 7 people one hero.
Oh yes and was sneding him my macros every time he died. Got a nice demo too will use it as a comedy video soon

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Because stalkers can kill my char before I can react, if there was a struggle without me having to pop every insp I own just to stay alive let alone do some meaniful damage I might agree with you.

I have snuck up on a stalker, hit them with buildup flamethrower, slug and full auto (my most powerful opener) and couldn't get them under 65% health. Considering Blasters are supposed to be the most damaging AT is that balanced? Maybe AR is just particularly weak in PvP.

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AR is awsome in solo pvp and is one of the best stalker hunters when combined with devices.There is of course some weakness to the defiance strategy but if you get the hang of it well is pretty amazing what u can do.I soloed 20k bounty in 30 min a few nights ago with my AR/dev.An AR/dev can be very good providing aerial support to hero teams as an advanced observation and pin pointing targets for the team with /assist command. Especially the stealthed targets.It should be the best set for Team PvP targetting in open pvp zones imho. Something like a spying sattelite

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all i know is that this moaning about stalkers is getting us nerfed so i would like to thank all the whiney ppl 4 that. a/s is one of the plus points of being a stalker compared to low hp (under 1000 for a lvl 40) and weak defence.

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I am sorry to break the news to you but what gets you nerfed is the unbalance way Cryptic designed some of the CoH AT's that were not made with PvP in mind.Remember that

Also your defence is not low as you will find out.

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dont get me wrong mate i dont moan about my stalker i just play to his advantages in pvp and try to have a laugh, just sick of people moaning about stalkers saying we need to be nerfed and attacking our tactics via broadcast in pvp.

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Stalkers moan about every single power out there that breaks their effectiveness and they moan a lot more than anyone else.

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thats not a good idea m8, the whole point of a stalker is to be sneaky like a ninja. if they gave you a perc bonus then we would'nt be very sneaky would we lol.

i like nothing better than a good old 1 on 1 scrap but its fun 2 hit killing an opponant

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Yes i am sure u like good old 1vs1 but only when the other 1 cant see you to hit you.Is fun for you to 2 hit kill someone but is not fun for others.

I personally dont mind stalkers and i 2shot kill them at every occasion and they moan about it all the time either because i see them from miles away or because i abuse the game mechanics with defiance. So i guess we are not supposed to use defiance then unless we are beaten up to red and die.