Stray Kitten

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The opposite.

I was at Comic Con.

Ocho and I were giving each other [censored] about the game and boards, etc.

After he expressed his strong dislike for pyramids, I told him I'd be making a monstrous one the moment I could get to the web.

As a show of being fun about it, he said he'd let it live until Monday. He lived up to his word. Srsly.

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I had a feeling there was something along these lines behind it all.

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Every time I log in, the last server I played on is on top. Is my stuffs broken?

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No, that's supposed to be the case :P

The sorting I was referring to only applies outside of that.

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Whats going on with your car?

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It's being possessed by the ghost of a Honda Civic Coupe. It's come back to finish me off.

Anyone got a set of fuzzy dice that's been blessed by the Pope? Good. I'm gonna need an old mechanic and a young mechanic... THE POWER OF KELLEY BLUE BOOK COMPELS YOU!
(sprinkles the PT Cruiser with turtle wax)

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Okay, I actually lol'd.

But does this mean its catching fire?

I'll make this when I can (unless I forget and get tied up in a TF or something, I'm really bad to do that honestly) but when this semester starts I may not make it home in time.

Same goes if DF starts up another night.

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The server list doesn't necessarily mean how many people logged into that server, it is the server latency.

So basically if on Freedom people are just standing in Atlas as usual and on Champion everyone happened to be loading at the same time, Champion would most likely appear higher on the list because of the strain of the loads.

Or at least that's how it was explained to me...

But Champion is always in the 4th spot for me when ever I go to another server.

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Actually, they're sorted by server load, from lowest to highest. This doesn't necessarily have to do with population, but population does affect it (more people logged on, the more the server has to work). Champion seems to shift more than others, during our peak times we'll be at 4th (sometimes even 3rd, but rarely) and sometimes we'll be 2 or 3 from the lowest.

I know a lot of students can get discounts from whoever their school has a contract with (example, if I wanted a Dell, I could've gotten a 10-15% discount because my recent school bought all their lab computers from them) so you may look into that as well.

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[BMT of Champion]BlackRonin: Two RWZs?!!?
[BMT of Champion]Shaytanah: monday night AE in RWZ must be hopping
[BMT of Champion]Disciple of Horus: On Sunday?
[BMT of Champion]Twisted Humor: but its Sunday
[BMT of Champion]BlackRonin: It's sunday...
[BMT of Champion]Shaytanah: er...if it were monday....
[BMT of Champion]Ltn. Frost: that would happen on a Monday
[BMT of Champion]Disciple of Horus: Note to self: Buy Shay calendar
[BMT of Champion]Emprad: im gonna be healing, what can go wrong? >
[BMT of Champion]Shaytanah: you bastards put that one in the Hall and I'll kill you. Every one of you.

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Who could I be Shay? WHO COULD I BE!!!

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Don't look now, but I beat you to it.

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[BMT of Champion]Shaytanah: monday night AE in RWZ must be hopping
[BMT of Champion]Disciple of Horus: On Sunday?
[BMT of Champion]Twisted Humor: but its Sunday
[BMT of Champion]BlackRonin: It's sunday...
[BMT of Champion]Shaytanah: er...if it were monday....
[BMT of Champion]Ltn. Frost: that would happen on a Monday
[BMT of Champion]Disciple of Horus: Note to self: Buy Shay calendar
[BMT of Champion]Shaytanah: you bastards put that one in the Hall and I'll kill you. Every one of you.

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If moving a pawn in Chess causes offence, then a law is passed to stop people moving pawns. There are real examples in the past of offensive games or aspects of games being revised in the name of morality (e.g. negative racial stereotypes being phased out).

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You mean like white guys going before black guys in chess, right?

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I lol'd.

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To extend this analogy a little further. Let's say that I go out into battle one day and I'm captured. I'm then thrown in the enemy jail.
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Analogy ends right there, you can leave a PvP zone at any time, you can't leave a prison.

Anyway, my thoughts on this are, Twixt was/is an [censored], but if it really was enough to bring you to tears, you really need to re-examine your life and priorities.

Going to have to retract my offer for this. Had some friends call me asking to go out with them.

I enjoy MoRSFs, but since my widow already has the badge, I'll defer to someone who still needs it.

That being said, if you're short a person you know where to find me.

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From revealing the niche, the prediction should be that the price of crafteds overall should go down and the price of recipes should go up. These two would occur because, hopefully, a run of people would attempt to list theirs lowest to sell first until people started settling for less profit by listing below another common bid point, such as 55M even. If the run continued, people would continue to settle for less profit, thus resulting in the prices of recipes and crafteds arriving at an equilibrium that made the profit minuscule for awhile. Instead, it appears almost no one is heeding my advice.

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Or that everyone is heeding your advice to sit on it a few weeks.

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I've been spending a lot of time there recently.


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No [censored].

You're always standing at the market on your Widow.

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I actually do leave on occasion believe it or not. Usually if I'm just standing there I'm waiting on something to start or I'm actually working on something out of game.

Most of my redside stuff is low level, but I've been spending a lot of time there recently.

Hit me up anytime, global's in the sig (ignore the characters list, its so out of date its growing mold)

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My feelings on farming...

Okay, lets say for the most part I have a 50 Fire/Fire Tanker (Which I did a few years back).

Let's say that I want to begin making prestige for my SG base to grow!....how do I do that?

Okay, now some would say do missions......okay if I do mish after mish after boring Malta mana sucking mission in PI what is that? Its farming no? I am now ONLY doing missions for Prestige thats a farm!

Now who is to say that using AE in the same way is any different? Except now there is 0 chance to run out of missions and be able to do it better and faster and still have a chance for some new story lines.

Okay, lets say someone is doing it for PLing. Lets say my same 50 Tank wants to make a second account and PL it, for what ever reason.

Is that not our rights? If COH did not want us to use it that way, if COH really did not want this to happen....it would not be. But since it is we select few will take advantage of it.

Who here on double XP weekend will be using AE for alts? Your now a farmer!

After calling you a farmer............SO THE HELL WHAT!

You pay for how you play and no one else, for anyone to down someone else for playing the way they want since they are paying a monthly fee should consider [censored]!

Sick of people saying they are so much better for not farming!

Lets see, you farm select bosses for a badge
You farm TFs for merits
You farm AE for Xp
You farm AE for Tickets

Me head......hurts.........KA-FUCING-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM


"Raises hand with middle finger in air! faint sounds of a voice saying "who really gives a shiz!"

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Wow, bad form. We go that long without any real drama and you try to flamebait us?

Something worth noting for the general market tips: Never forget your selling fees when determining your profit margins. After awhile it will become secondhand nature to tack in that 10%, but if you're not careful it can actually end up costing you money or minimizing your profit margins.

This is especially true in dealing with the higher cost items. You might be able to get that purple recipe for 100m, craft it for 2m, then sell it for 112m, but that would actually leave you 1.2m in the red at the end of the day.

(Note: The costs displayed here are rhetorical, I don't know of any purple recipe offhand where this would/could happen)

I'm going to be brief because I already said my thoughts on the matter, but there's a few things I wanted to put another perspective to in this post.

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You are basically exploiting the game to get rewards faster than you could by playing the game the way it was intended.

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Exploiting and farming are not necessarily the same thing. Dev's do things to curtail exploiting, not farming. Its a common misconception that leads to a lot of the farm hate.

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1) Inflation: The influence you get while farming is basically created as you earn it thus farmers are pouring massive amounts of inf into circulation. This in turn means the value of one inf decreases driving up the price of everything.

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This is a double edged sword. While I agree, it does cause inflation, it also increases supply bringing the supply:demand ratio down and helping keep things cheap. Its hard to say which one has a larger impact, but if you want proof of the supply, look at purple recipes right now and their cost. Their increased nearly exponentially with the advent of i14 when the majority of farmers moved to the AE. These are related because, purples do not drop in most AE missions.

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2) Dev responses: The developers have taken steps to limit farming. Often times these steps hurt the non-farmer as much as the farmer. We’ve seen rewards reduced on some enemies, enemies made harder and content removed from AE all due to abuse by farmers.

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These responses are due to exploits, not farming. Often these are not necessarily things done to hurt farms as much as they are exploits found by farmers. While I agree that it is typically farmers that abuse these exploits, if you're not going to abuse exploits in the first place then the removal of said exploits shouldn't affect you.

Not going to comment on the second point, since it will probably lead to another semantics argument about the subjective definition of farming.

As you said, no reason to argue, I just felt these three points deserved a response.

EDIT: Counting fail.

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The only thing that I've never understood is how some people will farm badges and then look down on people for farming influence.. its the same thing, I promise you. If someone can logically prove to me that its different, I will retract my statement but I'm yet to see any objective difference.

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Oh, oh, I know this one! In one you get a badge and in the other you get influence! It's like the difference between farming for carrots or pumpkins. In one you get carrots and in the other you get pumpkins! Of course, it's better to farm pumpkins for the pie. Though I suppose someone could make a carrot pie, but I don't know that carrot pie would be all that tasty.

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I promised myself to stay out of this thread unless something really caught my eye, but I had to say, this made me lol.

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I have 5 toons purpled to some extent. I haven't farmed for any of that influence.

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And you never stopped playing. How about those who'd like to compete who either, A. just started, or B. left for a period of time.

Things should just be compared objectively. I don't think you'd need to 'farm' for it. Long term vets have different situations than new people or those returning.

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I make far more money NOT playing than playing.

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*killed the quote pyramid*

See my example (i.e. repeatedly played through the content on numerous characters, yet it's not considered farmin'. I don't have the game on 'farm status'. Thus, not all forms o' repetition should be quantified as 'farming'.).

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I think you're missing my question, I'm more specifically looking why that's not considered farming. Rather, why is your definitely of farming correct and mine incorrect?

And I'll go ahead and say it again, I meant no disrespect for you in my previous statement. I just saw a challenge and decided to use it for its anecdotal qualities. Apologies if I did offend you.

P.S. This discussion has nothing to do with BMT before that's brought into the equation. I think Cobalt and I are mostly on the same page about what that channel is for.

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(Agreed on the P.S.)

And no, I understand what you are gettin' at. I just don't agree with it, per my example. Why isn't that considered a farm, yet all other forms o' repeatability must be quantified as such?

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Why isn't what considered a farm? I'm afraid you've lost me on that one.

Unless you're referring to my statement about how it only matters on the same toon, and that's because I consider that enough of a variance to where it no longer counts as repeatable action. (Unless its the same exact build, which is sort of silly IMO)

Right now, I think we've just come to the agree to disagree point and leave it at that. After all, all we're really arguing is semantics, and that's what I was getting at when I asked if DF really wanted to open this can of worms.

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*killed the quote pyramid*

See my example (i.e. repeatedly played through the content on numerous characters, yet it's not considered farmin'. I don't have the game on 'farm status'. Thus, not all forms o' repetition should be quantified as 'farming'.).

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I think you're missing my question, I'm more specifically looking why that's not considered farming. Rather, why is your definitely of farming correct and mine incorrect?

And I'll go ahead and say it again, I meant no disrespect for you in my previous statement. I just saw a challenge and decided to use it for its anecdotal qualities. Apologies if I did offend you.

P.S. This discussion has nothing to do with BMT before that's brought into the equation. I think Cobalt and I are mostly on the same page about what that channel is for.

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Everyone farms, get over it, and stop being hypocritical, yes, you too cobalt.

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Yeah, find me in a farm.

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Okay, I'll bite. Killing the same monster/GM more than once on the same toon would be considered farming monsters/GMs. Farming does not necessarily have anything to do with the reward received, its just the act of repeating an action more than once with little or no variation.

You may be against farming when its for xp, inf, merits, tickets, etc, but my argument is that there is no difference between that and any form of repetition, simply that it comes with varying degrees and rewards.

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Thanks. I had no idea. Apparently you missed the part where I said 'in a farm' which you specifically quoted.

And by the act o' repetition, I've farmed the game, as I've repeated the same content on numerous characters. Sorry, but no. I don't buy that. I have repeatedly put the boots to GMs before, but do I farm? No.

Thanks for playin'.

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No need to get defensive, you're the one that challenged someone to find you in a farm. That's the problem though that I'm trying to understand is why a farm has to fit this very narrow definition that seems to only fit what you (collective, not necessarily directed at you Cobalt) view as being "unwholesome".

Trust me when I say this Cobalt, I respect your views, I'm just trying to have a debate as to why farming has to apply specifically to running the same map for drops and not to other forms of repetition.

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Everyone farms, get over it, and stop being hypocritical, yes, you too cobalt.

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Yeah, find me in a farm.

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Okay, I'll bite. Killing the same monster/GM more than once on the same toon would be considered farming monsters/GMs. Farming does not necessarily have anything to do with the reward received, its just the act of repeating an action more than once with little or no variation.

You may be against farming when its for xp, inf, merits, tickets, etc, but my argument is that there is no difference between that and any form of repetition, simply that it comes with varying degrees and rewards.

EDIT: And I'm going to go ahead and say it, because I see it coming. IBTL

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