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team 9 beat team 3 13-0
team 3 had a sub for isreal, they had Spyka .

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Who DCd

not that it would have made any difference on that map

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I beleive I have killed more signature villains than anyone on the EU servers, I killed them on the US test, 2 US servers, Union and the EU test server.

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Oh god i'd hate to burst your bubble.....

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Working for myself, having a professional interest in COx and the nature of my personality which is all or nothing I spent pretty much all the time that I7 went on test laying the smackdown on (and being pummeled vigourously by) the RV AVs on EU and US test for various reasons that I am not going to go into.

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Its a tricky statement to make, i'm not disputing nor trying disrepute you or even compete with you on anything but i do know that you for spending alot of time fighting them and me for a lot of time tanking, scrapping and being a defender against them (i always like to get to know my AV's) for our personal reasons were not the only ones.

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Please refrain from paraphrasing parts of my posts, context is being inferred purely on the basis of how you perceive it and errors occur, for example due to the positioning of the last post it appears that what you have listed as a tricky statement to make is

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Working for myself, having a professional interest in COx and the nature of my personality which is all or nothing I spent pretty much all the time that I7 went on test laying the smackdown on (and being pummeled vigourously by) the RV AVs on EU and US test for various reasons that I am not going to go into.

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Which is a simple statement of fact and really isnt possible to dispute, I can only sumise that you cut too much and missed what you were trying to emphasise or were refering to the very first line in the pyramid that you have taken from one of my posts.

Either way nothing I have said is a tricky statement, its my opinion based upon my own experience and quantification as I have previously said. It all comes down to what I beleived at the time and I had no evidence to suggest that my belief was anything other than correct and yet I still carefully worded my post specifically so it wasnt a statement of fact.

Ick....I sound like a lawyer..........

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I beleive I have killed more signature villains than anyone on the EU servers, I killed them on the US test, 2 US servers, Union and the EU test server.

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Oh god i'd hate to burst your bubble.....

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Working for myself, having a professional interest in COx and the nature of my personality which is all or nothing I spent pretty much all the time that I7 went on test laying the smackdown on (and being pummeled vigourously by) the RV AVs on EU and US test for various reasons that I am not going to go into. I dont conceive of many having the disposable time that I have or have access to numerous accounts here and across the pond.

Also you will note that I said I beleive, it was not a statement of fact merely an opinion and there is the clear possibilty that I am wrong. As I said it was a statement of opinion based upon recent experience and my personal quantification of said experience so Im not sure what bubble I have that you would hate to burst.

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shann has a point tho botty, from what i read, all i can see is ego fuelling >.>, granted u 'amy' have not wanted it to seem like that but it does.

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I dont have an ego per se, at least not in the context that is being made out to me. I dont run around screaming how uber I am at the game, I dont say I am a PVP god, hell I dont think I have ever even said I am good at PVP. I think about things and try to do as well as I can, simple as.

As for killing the AVs it was merely an acheivement that was repeated over and over, if someone turned around and said "[censored] I have killed frostfire 1000 times more than anyone else" would that be ego? Also its fairly easy to take a sentence out of context and distort its meaning, the paragraph from which I am paraphrased had nothing to do with ego stroking was merely establishing experience in a situation, personally I tend to listen to people who ahve done things more than I so I can learn and adapt, perhaps thats just me?

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I beleive I have killed more signature villains than anyone on the EU servers, I killed them on the US test, 2 US servers, Union and the EU test server.

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Oh god i'd hate to burst your bubble.....

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Working for myself, having a professional interest in COx and the nature of my personality which is all or nothing I spent pretty much all the time that I7 went on test laying the smackdown on (and being pummeled vigourously by) the RV AVs on EU and US test for various reasons that I am not going to go into. I dont conceive of many having the disposable time that I have or have access to numerous accounts here and across the pond.

Also you will note that I said I beleive, it was not a statement of fact merely an opinion and there is the clear possibilty that I am wrong. As I said it was a statement of opinion based upon recent experience and my personal quantification of said experience so Im not sure what bubble I have that you would hate to burst.

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Some of the US Hami farmers (specific SGs, I forget which ones) use a strategy of end draining Hami to oblivion so he cant do anything, I wonder if this may be a strategy we may want to test at a later raid (assuming we can get enough drainers, if not Im sure plight would be happy to try soloing hami

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with an end pool of 1000 (im guessing) it will take the equivalent of about 30 short circuits to drain him, add rad and dark debuffs and prolly less, the conning of GMs is weird for end drain, a kraken is pretty easy, but a DE GM in PI is far harder? aaaaaaanyways, even with Hami's recovery (end is usually less that HP afaik for monster thingemies) a few SCs should flatten his recovery, but not for many seconds.

Botty, I'm presuming, PA drop, heal blanket, stroll in, debuff, drain, kill?

WELL UP FOR IT, WE HAVE TEH NUMB0RZ!1

Plight

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and dont forget kinetics transferance Would be fun to try this though especially with the end drain changes (% not fixed number)

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This is a change that people had been asking for for a while. This will reduce debt in PvP zones.

The point of PvP zones is PvP, if you are fighting another player and an npc lands the final blow then you used to get full debt. now you don't. That was one of the few things that stopped me from PvP before. WOOT.

If you were fighting NPCs and a player landed the last hit you didnt used to get debt, now you do. the zones are for PvP after all, not PvE. and this change encourages PvP and discourages farming NPCs

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No offense but the logic you are using is flawed, there is no way on gods green earth that anyone goes to the zones to farm npcs, thats just asking for trouble and frequent visits to the hospital as fighting one (npc) will inevitably mean the other jumping you (pc)

This wasnt what anyone asked for, doesnt encourage pvp and actually will result in more debt for a player who ventures into a zone as each random npc hit that you receive that you could shrug off before will result in you getting debt when you get beaten in pvp. There is NO way you can PVP properly in the zones without getting some form of npc hit(s) sooner or later. Accumlated hits = lots of debt when you do fall. People were not farming npcs and when they got low on health shout for the opposition to come and kill them to save them from debt

Some of the US Hami farmers (specific SGs, I forget which ones) use a strategy of end draining Hami to oblivion so he cant do anything, I wonder if this may be a strategy we may want to test at a later raid (assuming we can get enough drainers, if not Im sure plight would be happy to try soloing hami

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Btw ...any more "subtle" changes that they "forgot" to include in the patch notes?

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Well, there's still the issue of certain toons seeming to use a lot more end now(mainly toggle ones like brutes), I also have a thread in player questions discussing how stealth/per seems to have been nerfed in PvE

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Im sure theres loads of "changes" not included in the patch notes, mainly due to the fact that the devs dont have a clue what their sloppy coding has done to the game. I had high hopes for i7 due to it being delayed as I assumed they had adopted a practice of releasing things when done but that cleary isnt the case.

Sad;y the zones on defiant have been infected with a new breed of n00b, thats not to say all people in there are, just that one cretin can overshadow 100 good people with ease.

I logged in with my stalker who I hadnt touched for a long time and was smacking about some people I knew when I got a tell saying i was a killstealing n00b. This was all the more amusing down to the fact that I took 100% of the persons health and wasnt using AS. It turns out the person concerned is the defiant miscreant, we all know him and most ahve petitioned him and have him on ignore for his constant /AC spamming and his constant desire for attention (bad as he cant get good as he sucks plain and simple) The only good thing about this moron being in the zones is that we can kill him repeatedly and laugh at his ineptitude and the fact that he must be frustrated that his abusive tells are not reaching people due to /ignore

Its sad to see such a degredation of the zones in such a short period of time as they were fun and friendly places. Still there is more pvp on union so its a good thing i ran out of slots on defiant.

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From updated release notes:

Powers - Critters

AVs/Heroes, Giant Monsters and Hamidon Mitos now ignore threat level damage multipliers for different Archetypes. They are still affected by Taunt as before.

The Hamidon has been increased in difficulty. It is now capable of using one of its attack powers even when Held, Slept, or Stunned.

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translation : whoops we screwed it up again, quick shove it in release note and we can say WAI

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I dont know what powers they use, and I may be a complete n00b when it comes to this, but..

1) Taking down AV's is controller/defender buisness in normal PvE. Always has been always will be. I think what ever is the greatest danger to these guys should be cleared first.

2) If you say Mako uses IH/elude, radiation infection (stacked) + Lingering (stacked), will cancel out both. I saw Mako killed in less than 1 min unlike GW who always lasted longer.

3) Lvl38 powers dont really mean a whole lot (IMO) since you can debuff the [censored] out of any AV.

4) I didnt see GW healing the other AV's, but if she does, then how much does she heal them? I only saw her use siphon life and dark regen.

Im not convinced this is the right way (the best way to take them out). Just because GW can take down the best powers of tanks/scrappers doesnt mean shes the right target.

The goal has to be fastest and with fewest deaths.

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Aside from last night I dont recall more than 1/2 people dying per AV on the raids I have done, that said defiant was lagging like a bad one and im sure that and the chaos that was the raid contributed. Im not joking when I say that it was the biggest shambles I have ever seen as people were just doing what the hell they wanted, I just ran round rezing people as couldnt be bothered to bark at people anymore. All on GW a tank with support on the other AV is not hard to organise or figure out. When the other raids I ahve done have gone to combat mode (i.e all moved in) I cannot remember a single instance where Shirocco killed anyone and I ALWAYS did him last.

The controllers and defenders who clearly are the only reason we pull them down should not in any way be anywhere near roaming AVs, they should be at a relatively safe distance or have a tank pulling any stray AV agro off them. Neither of which are hard to do.

Lingering Rads and RIs will not cancel out Makos IH/Elude as with GWs AOE hold its really not the norm, we had a dozen rads at least on US servers and when he switches it on all u can do is wait. I sumise that you caught him on downtime.

GW uses twilight grasp at least and heals for wankloads, all you need is for her to be in the wrong place and bye bye all your hard work, its just not worth the risk and I personally wouldnt do it any other way. Lets say everyone jumped Shirroco and left GW and GW used her aoe hold on the people fighting Shirocco who in turn does his aoe and wipes.

Is there a better way? of course, there always is, people could follow instruction for a start that would have erradicated most of the deaths to begin with but Shirocco is one of the weakest AVs, it seems to me you didnt feel firsthand just how nasty GW is purely down to the fact that everyone jumped on her ASAP.

Purely in my humble experience of course

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Is it just me or was taking down GW first a very bad call?

Scirocco was the real killer with his AoE, amd ghost widow took ages to get down due to dark regen.

While we spend 3-5 mins on GW, scirocco owns all squishies resulting in a lot of death.

It seems a lot more sensible to take down Scirocco first, then Mako and leave the lady as the last one.

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GW heals the others and hits with a lvl 38 power breaking aoe hold (stops granite, elude, unstoppable etc dead in their tracks) that would screw up any assaults on other AVs and result in several teams being wiped. Mako runs IH/Elude combo so is impervious to any assault for 3 minutes so as a bare minimum he will take 4-5 mins with the best gank squads going at it hammer and tongs.

I have killed all the AVs on EU test, US test, Champion, Infinity, Union and Defiant, I have led raids on all servers but defiant and can safely say Ghost Widow is the worst of the lot and needs taking out ASAP. Shirocco is the 2nd weakest of the AVs and really only has his monster end drain to ruin your day but this is countered in a raid by the kins blasting transference. If everyone is in position Shirocco isnt a threat though a granite tank (with a couple of good emps on the flanks) taunting him would have been advantageous.

The order of the day in terms of clearing the AVs in the best way possible is GW/Recluse (as he can spawn up to 10 bane spider executioners at once it seems) /Mako/Shirocco/Scorpion

a stone tank is unkillable in arena but can easily be circuvented and ignored, Ice/Energy is the way to go and no mistake

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no reason to lose a friend over one small thing.

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Agreed.

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Also in a PVP arena match the other day i was force bubbled into a corner and ganked and I blew up, went and got one of my stalkers and every time the bubbler dropped pff I dropped her, my sole aim was to kill her over and over again. Pretty damn childish and petulent, I could give a load of reasons why I did this, it was late, I was ganked, unsporting use of force bubble blah blah but I simply acted like a vindictive jerk out for revenge. Im not proud of my actions, I am repentant and I dont think I would do it again (but cant say for certian, I am human)

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Unsporting?

I saw it as using my powers to their full potential. Yes it's a very annoying tactic, but then so is AS which is really the only thing stalkers have. Same as Force Bubble + Force Bolt is pretty much all I have as a bubbler. I didn't mind about getting repeatedly spanked by your stalker, that's the way the powers work and it was good tactics in my eyes to take down the bubbler, making the rest of your teams life a lot easier.

In an arena match I say use the powers you have as effectively as you can. If I don't use my powers aggressively then I'm kinda gimping myself.

In any case, we should have a rematch soon

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It was very late, I got tells asking to join and only did as a favour to plight, the corrupter I was on is pure pve spec and has literally 1 attack so dont think I was going to neutrino bolt anyone to death I couldnt care less about dying over and over (which on a totally no offensive character is going to happen) or even being held but jammed into a corner and doing nothing isnt my idea of fun but cest la vie.

As for my stalker, if you notice you never actually got ASd once, we played in i6 where though I could walk through your force bubble with impunity (all of my stalkers are EA) the "force" part atill interupted AS. My EM/EA doesnt need AS and its barely even slotted, its a fast strike stalker not a stationary sneaker I chose her purely as it was a total antithis to your bubbler and I was in a bad mood.

I dont tend to play arena matches as consider it a bit too much like a number crunch, its not that hard to see what beats what and so on.

Meh

I didnt really want to post anything in particular regarding this but will throw my two cents worth in.

I beleive I have killed more signature villains than anyone on the EU servers, I killed them on the US test, 2 US servers, Union and the EU test server. I have also ran raids akin to what kin was trying to set up but tonight I felt like a break and sat back and let him run his show, previously however I had I gaven Kin as much of a guide as I could, regarding sig behaviour and what the most dangerous ones were (GW/Recluse/Mako/Shirocco/Scorpion is the order if anyones interested). 4 points were taken by 'rogue' (bored) heroes and the first set of sig were spawned, Recluse and Black Scorpion, given the powersets and stategies that are used by the sig Recluse was primary target in this spawn so all should ahve been on him 1st and scorpion second in order to maximise the amount of people who would get the badges.

However despite raid leaders target calling others were going for Scorpion including someone we all know in the swords, I recognised the individual and presumed he wasnt following the chat as in the heat of things we often get carried away. So I sent a tell saying what the first target was, to which I got a no, (I also have chat logs, I keep them for when I petition a certain defiant moron (not a sword ) who spams /ac and insults everyone in the pvp zones as he craves attention) I then identified myself and was told in no uncertain terms that they had no interest in taking down recluse as Scorpion was the badge that they needed. A selfish point of veiw and no mistake as not only would this result in people not getting the badge concerned but potentially split the team and could just have easily robbed the rest of your team from getting the recluse badge (if they needed it) This isnt keeping it real, or survival of the fittest or anything like that, it was just a petty act.

But so what? We all act like jerks and cretins from time to time.

Firstly you shouldnt get upset or suprised that plight gets comments about the behaviour of the SG members, the swords is like a family, one of the nicest SGs on any server and I know of no real jerks in their ranks. Due to the obvious SG infrastructure plight has a patriarcal role in it, the same as anyones guardians would have should they be dealing with anyone who is causing a bad rep for their family. Hmm seems to me that the reaction of a person whos guardian has been informed of their actions would ahve a somewhat familar reaction.

But all this is irrelevant and boils down to this, someone wanted something and rode roughshod to get it which is a shame as a badge is meaningless and integrity is eternal. But really what does it matter, we are all prone to selfish gestures from time to time in all aspects of life problem is being pulled up on it is a embarrassing thing and everyone around gets uncomfortable and goes into a protectionism mode.

I have acted in a similar way, Marius really pissed me off one time with language that I perceived as beneith him, got a bee in my bonnet and did the whole throwing the rattle out of the pram routine. I didnt want to talk it over with him as I was bugged in the early days and then embarrassed in the later ones as it wasnt that big a deal, everyone has off days and to err is human etc etc. This wasnt Marius problem, it was mine and the way I had reacted to it and the same thing applies here, Plight has done nothing wrong but try to find out what was going on and someone acted like a big baby (dont get bothered/upset by this term, everyone does at some point, its human) and Im fairly sure things went like this, tempers were frayed, things were said "im leaving", "well go then" blah blah blah. Simple fact is Plight has nothing but the greatest respect and admiration for the people in/who were in the Swords, he never ever refers to it as "his" sg in the context of ownership, you are all family to him and perhaps we all need to take a little bit of the heat of him and appreciate what he does to try and keep things going smoothly.

Also in a PVP arena match the other day i was force bubbled into a corner and ganked and I blew up, went and got one of my stalkers and every time the bubbler dropped pff I dropped her, my sole aim was to kill her over and over again. Pretty damn childish and petulent, I could give a load of reasons why I did this, it was late, I was ganked, unsporting use of force bubble blah blah but I simply acted like a vindictive jerk out for revenge. Im not proud of my actions, I am repentant and I dont think I would do it again (but cant say for certian, I am human)

Bleah this is getting into a speech, I could seriously carry on writing this crap for pages and pages (and yet havent finished my book, go figure) Hows this, say sorry and move on, as you damn well know plight would take you back in a heartbeat but thats not weakness, just the kinda nice guy he is. If you acted like a jerk in real life whilst in the company of a good friend and they said something would you end the friendship? Of course not, thats what friends are for, to point out things that we may not really notice about ourselves but should, if a friend doesnt interject when we act like jerks would they really be a friend? Plight gets involved because he cares, simple as.

Seriously get over it, is 14 months of friendship not worth it? Its only a waste if you allow petty differences to cloud your judgement.

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Can I make a suggestion for 2v8 match tomorrow night (14th) at 7pm?

Just a suggestion....

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fine by me

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I'm able to come any night apart from Friday for 2vs8...

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please post when this fight will be when u no, wanna watch that one

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I think 2 will win with having no squishies

Im available whenever really.

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You can never have a "gimped" controller combo. Controllers don't have any "bad" PvP powersets.

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i think earths is quite gimped in the arena, only thing going for it is quicksand, that's about it.

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I disagree, as with most things its the person behind it thats important and some people can do crazy things with "gimped" builds. My defenceless (non-regen) stalkers are often refered to as gimped builds, at least by those who havent fought them in the pvp zones.

Spyka
Earth/rad/Primal
Ice/Dev/Force
Ice/EM/none
FF/Psi/Psi

Thanks for the invite and sorry I was late, Kronos did fall very quicky indeed

Give me a shout anytime you need a hand

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Um you do know its not the -regen that really matters, enervation field is the reason why rads cut through AVs. In effect you are giving your entire team fortitude as long as you keep it on those suckers. LR is only really important in small teams or against AV with crazy regen like dominatrix. Its quite easy for 1 person to keep the regen down afaik. Same with kinetic, the secret isnt really the -regen(again allthou it helps, by freeing up more resources) its fulcrum shift and siphon power that gets the job done.

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Post i7 -regen was the only way to kill AVs that were not several levels below, without some form of -regen the 1000% regen increase of the AVs was unsurmountable, enervating feild without -regen wouldnt do anything to the AVs. However that is now going to be cut back by 80%. Seems the age of -regen as king was short lived

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Except that you can easily damage over the regeneration with -resistance. -regen isn't important for killing AVs unless you're in a very small team.

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Um following the post I7 changes I dont know of any team that managed to beat an AV without some form of -regen

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I'm going to do a few with my SG tonight, just to prove you wrong!

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Im not quite sure how you can disprove a statement of fact Clearly I dont know of any team that has took on an AV with NO -regen and won, I said so didnt I Unless of course you have me taped saying "pssst dont tell Xanthus but I really do know of a team that killed an AV without any -regen"

otherwise would be interested in how you got on, not AVs I know but took 50 heros to down Lusca today 30 for babbage and 30 for Adamastor and their health didnt budge till I hassled a rad to join us (Thanks Irradiator ) I actually enjoyed the GMs this way to be honest, was more of an event but the XP needs to be fixed.

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Um you do know its not the -regen that really matters, enervation field is the reason why rads cut through AVs. In effect you are giving your entire team fortitude as long as you keep it on those suckers. LR is only really important in small teams or against AV with crazy regen like dominatrix. Its quite easy for 1 person to keep the regen down afaik. Same with kinetic, the secret isnt really the -regen(again allthou it helps, by freeing up more resources) its fulcrum shift and siphon power that gets the job done.

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Post i7 -regen was the only way to kill AVs that were not several levels below, without some form of -regen the 1000% regen increase of the AVs was unsurmountable, enervating feild without -regen wouldnt do anything to the AVs. However that is now going to be cut back by 80%. Seems the age of -regen as king was short lived

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Except that you can easily damage over the regeneration with -resistance. -regen isn't important for killing AVs unless you're in a very small team.

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Um following the post I7 changes I dont know of any team that managed to beat an AV without some form of -regen

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Um you do know its not the -regen that really matters, enervation field is the reason why rads cut through AVs. In effect you are giving your entire team fortitude as long as you keep it on those suckers. LR is only really important in small teams or against AV with crazy regen like dominatrix. Its quite easy for 1 person to keep the regen down afaik. Same with kinetic, the secret isnt really the -regen(again allthou it helps, by freeing up more resources) its fulcrum shift and siphon power that gets the job done.

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Post i7 -regen was the only way to kill AVs that were not several levels below, without some form of -regen the 1000% regen increase of the AVs was unsurmountable, enervating feild without -regen wouldnt do anything to the AVs. However that is now going to be cut back by 80%. Seems the age of -regen as king was short lived

it should be rubbish as a AV killer if used on its own as theres no way to make the -regen perma from it. In conjuction with other perma -regen it would certainly help