Squirrel_Mark1

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I agree with the squirrel. If it's a style of artwork... give a man or woman props for the inspiration... However, if you can't come up with something for yourself inasmuch as making a unique website or related work, then you either have to A: Hire someone to make it work for you, or B: Get some of your friends together with their own ideas, asking for their input.

Either way, it's a product that you can say "I did this... it's who and what I'm about." Something that can be -influenced- by another website in terms of delivery, but still your own voice.

This is why I'm designing the pages for myself on legal sized paper and completing the whole thing first in theory, then handing it over to the pros... If it's going to be me on the page, then by gosh... you'll know I had a hand in all the steps.

Just my opinion... I could be wrong.

Jim

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Turned out I misunderstood Jim <'x'>; She's talking about webpages - sounds like someone out and out ripped hers off. (Sorry <,< I'm so damn verbose <T.T> and always in the wrong things!)

Ahh, in that case - I'd be peeved too ^^ If they'd asked permission thats one thing... but if not, yeah, I'd be annoyed quite a bit. Sorry for misunderstanding. (<;.;> I spend alot of time thinking - so when something catches me... I just go!)

I think it depends on what you mean by "Imitation".

The reason I say this is, there are several definitions of imitation; and they run the gamut from what I feel would be truely flattering... to downright copyright infringment.

If you mean imitation in the "You stole my drawing/redrew my work and passed it off as yours" - yah, I'm right there with ya.

However, if you speak stylistically I'm not sure I can support your position. Everyone's style is going to be subtly different - but some styles (comic art in particular I find) has a degree of standarzation. Its hardly 'standardized' but there are certain things your going to see in comic art - regardless of who's doing it.

I also feel that imitation, in a sincere non-infringing way, is definitely flattering. The key is to let someone know who the originator of something is.

Example: Say I paint the Mona Lisa by looking off of DaVinci's; it'd be pretty dumb of me to try to claim I created the Mona Lisa; but it still shows some ability to re-create it. Imitation in this fashion is a stepping stone; it improves your skills. This kind of work you definitely definitely *must* cite the original creator - its their work; and in the case of a living person you *must* have their permission to do it.

Another example: Say I really like a given art style; I'll say Juggertha's to use one of this board's best known people. Juggy's style is damn unique; I'd never make a pic and say it was purely mine if I used his style - mentally though, its an homage to that artist. I feel a piece in this example; should be written something akin to "By <name of artist>, Styled after <name of artist who's style it was>.

I think part of it, is Innovation - nobody starts out completely original, alot of us would love to believe we are, but, we aren't 'unique and beautiful snowflakes' - at least not by default. You don't start out drawing in your matured style - you start with maybe... batman in the style of the animated series you saw when you were 10; or maybe the transformers... etc...

It'd be foolish to claim you invented those things; but they are essential artistic building blocks.

Also, one must allow for what is called "Simultaneous Inspiration". Two people's style could be remarkably close without having ever even seen the other individual's work. In that case, you really can't fault the other individual; its their style as much as yours.

That said; its sad but true that people will try to steal, rip off, and otherwise defraud others; so a pic that looks suspiciously similar to one of your own would definitely tick me off a bit (I'm talking style, color and composition all three). But imitation on its own isn't bad as long as the original creator is given their due in the process.

Well, you're definitely not breaking any rules I can think of <@_@>m I can't really help ya much with that kinda thing though; Hmm... I'm sure Quake could give ya a hand figurin stuff out >.>

Hmm... I'm guessing Chaos Marine then... Aha <O_O> I have a solution for you.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/

That should take you to the gamesworkshop main page; then just hit WH40k; and click the Chaos army tab; there's a ton of stuff there - its not hard to make a WH costume once you get the source material ^^

(had to fix the link)

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I have a friend who addressed all of her wedding invitations in blood. She got those tubes that doctors use with coagulant already inside and just drew blood into vials, then used a calligraphy pen.

She was....an interesting person.... >_>

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Wow... <o.@>;; Eversoslightlywouldcreepmethehellout >.>

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I got that story beat. My friend has a friend who wants to kill him to make their friendship forever.

I wish I was kidding. When I heard that, I was kind of at a loss for words... and suggested he needed new friends, badly. And possibly police protection.

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I have a friend who addressed all of her wedding invitations in blood. She got those tubes that doctors use with coagulant already inside and just drew blood into vials, then used a calligraphy pen.

She was....an interesting person.... >_>

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Wow... <o.@>;; Eversoslightlywouldcreepmethehellout >.>

Ahhh... *now* I see what you were going for... you're on the right track I think... but you still need a more uniform look.

Might I ask; do you have a specific race in mind? (I'm *guessing* you were going for a Chaos or Space Marine-esque look?)

I like her bio lol <,< "CuppaGovernor"

Hmmm... /idea...

I am so in on this >.>;;

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*steals all of the grape soda from Yuri and runs away*

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*Falls to knees, defeated. Raises fists towards the heavens.* NOOOOOOOO! OH FOR THE LOVE OF BOB, WHY!

I just wanted a grape soda... JUST A GRAPE SODA!

*Falls forward, head in hands, and sobs.*

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<sits on Yuri's head, drinking soda> <. .>

<;.;> I am cold and alone, and without caffiene.

<begins to crawl>

Soda... sooooda... <dies> <single black acorn on chest>

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*Pounces the grape soda! Absconds with it.*

Minenowkthxbai!

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<;.;> ACK!

Luckily, I was prepared <-_-> <whips out 2liter of Mt. Dew>

Mwahahahaa... caffienated tree rodent, away! <@_@>

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Is there anyway I could do something simple with my own toon? Like is it easy to do somthing in photoshop or 3D rendering? Is there some good software I can use? Like alot of you I used to be an artist and maybe this can be a way for me to tap into that again. So for all the digital artist, What are some good software to use.

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Being as its starting to get late; I'm not sure how many will still be on; so I'll use my own limited knowledge to try to help >.>

The program I hear alot about on here is something called Poser... what I know about it is very limited, but it seems to be a thing where you use a pre-made model; pose it, then put custom textures and costume bits on them.

Then, they touch it up in Photoshop.

>.> Keep in mind, I'm not a digital artist; but because I don't know if anyone's gonna be around; I want to try to help where I can.

That does look alot better >.>;;

I shall have to pay more attention to my err... necking! <,<; (Sorry, it just struck me)

Definitely gonna be touching it up before I color it then... mentally I was just having a hard time imagining it shorter; dunno why >,< but it does work much better; thanks Sarrate!

I did it in 2 sittings >.> First day, most of the pencils; second day, finished pencils and did inks.

I *really* screwed up the background before I photoshopped it >.> but the neck thing... well, if you look at my other work <~.~> thats about how long most of my necks are. <;.;> Which makes me suspect I've been doing something wrong for quite a long while >.>

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No, I am the worthless unproductive one here lately.

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You're unproductive? I haven't picked up a pencil since I finished the TA Chibie!

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I still think I lay claim to Slowest Artist on the Board. I'm still working on a piece for TA that's taken me almost 2 months. But it's almost done! Yay!

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I don't know about that. That may be slow and all.. But I hadn't painted/drawn or anything for 4 years until just recently... which actually makes it closer to 5.

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Yeah, especially since I was wrong. It's only been one month.

And if any thread deserved hijacking, it's this one.

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As such, it deserves a warning.

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Bwahahahaa.... <,<

I'm sorta sorry Laz... really... just... I think this is the first thread in the art forum I've ever seen where we're only vaguely talking about art (rather than a specific piece); its kinda nice to just 'shoot the breeze' with people in this area for a change.

(Talking shop is well and good - but no one can live something 24/7 forever; you can come close; but no one is so one-dimensional!)

So uhm... appologies for the hijacking; but I'm only so sorry it happened <'x'>

<whips out 12 pack of grape soda> <. .> So... refreshments?

<,< <-- laughing histarically from inside Yuri's luggage

Aieeeee!!! <T_T>

My best friend noticed the neck thing too >.>; It looked ok to me... but being 2 for one I'm gonna say "My eyes are off" <,<

<o_o>; This is what the OP gets for hijacking 12 other threads! <,<

(JK <,< but it is slightly ironic)

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Actually, the face is the least of my worries. The snakes face is the one getting to me a little.

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Just me then <T_T> sorry; The snake I thought you did 100% extremely well <@_@>m

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Nah not at all PMD. I'm still waiting for one I ordered and paid for back in like JANUARY...

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<o.@> Is it a wall mural? And if so, have you considered getting treatment for extreme egotism? <,< (JK JK!)

I'm sure it's worth the wait too <^-^>m

Any time you profess an opinion which, intentionally or otherwise, invades someone's 'personal space' in some way - you will recieve response based on that. Its just the way it is.

What you define as "useless for creative purposes" is totally useful to someone else - creativity is purely about... creation. While I agree, a philosophy of "do as you would" isn't a very good philosophy - this isn't philosophy. This is a computer game; and even if it were instead something about say... comic writing (where "origin" in this form would never even come up - remember, you're arguing a complete abstract of an abstract concept) - creativity is how you define it.

I'm just saying that, if you step on people's conceptual toes by trying to argue that we're playing natural in a manner not to your liking - you have to be prepared to take some flak for it.

I dunno, maybe some of us are oversensative - but if we are, theres a reason for it; I've seen, in the last six months, many many posts of "There's no way you can be natural, no human could do that!"

No human could possibly jump from a standing position as high as we can, even without sprint. Merely by playing the game we've already broken that.

Origin is *intentionally* broad and vague - the less well defined it is - the better.

That said - It really is a good guide for a specific *type* of natural character; I'm not bashing that at all. You've definitely got a feel for what you're trying to do.

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My commissions page

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<;.;> did you have to bring THAT into play?

<goes and sulks in the corner thinking "I am worthless as an artist! <T.T> (Sorry <,&lt

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First off, you are not worthless as an artist. From what I have seen you have improved nicely. Second, you work for acorns and nuts. That's a real nice price for a commissioned piece. Just keep at it.

>.>

*stuff the squirrel in a bag and takes him back to the artists' sweatshop*

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<is drug off in a sack> <@o@> Aiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

I long to see trees again! <T_T>