Southern_Comfort

Lookie!!! We can "PURCHASE" additional MA slots!! Isn't that just peachy??

Lol Mac .You beat me to it. Too bad noone took my billion enfamy bet. Id have more enfamy to give away in whatever event I do last.

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So, before it came to test we had people that disagreed on principle on the changes and people that were eager to have them implemented.
After the changes were released, we have pretty much the same number of people in each camp, except Ditzy changed name.

What does that tell us?

PS: it's 'n'est ce pas'

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Sorry to burst your "nefarious plot" bubble. Ditzy is no longer available to post. Whether tha be from a cancelled account, a banning, a what have you is none of your business. To infer that my opinions and testing are less valid because I am on a second account is pretty silly. At one time I paid for 4 accounts every month. I am now down to one account until it expires.In addition, I never once intimated I was some new person and people familiar with me in game and forums pointed out this was a secondary account multiple times. Go burn another witch. You are looking for the wrong person to crucify.

To address your comment on various "camps". Prior to the beta release all any player could do was speculate. It here now and most posters have hopped over to test to provide feedback. There is a very large difference in speculating about changes and playing changes.

You have a nice day.

Bottomline here is that io heavy builds will still prevail(ieermadoms). In fact it is now a neccessity in late game if a player doesnt like a jerky ,huff and puff feel. I LOVE the damage. I am simply looking at the change of the dominator as a whole entity in regards to the goal as stated by Castle.That goal being increasing "popularity".

I think another thing that has been overlooked in a larger picture is the state of the black market. Right now it is harder than ever to obtain the necessary pieces to optimize a build. This change further cripples the market . How? Can doms still farm and supply? Sure... but the new doms this revamp is suppoesed to entice will need to io out before they can contribute.It's like the snake eating its own tail.
If I were hanging around I'd shutup and sit on my fingers because I have multiple perma's and these changes seriously just make my characters better. In fact? They will be easily 110% better in pvp simply because of the damage boost.I realize pvp is neither here nor there.. I'm just saying...

Anyway this stuff doesnt make it easier for a casual in the long run.

Thats what we have been saying over and over and over,Unicycle.

If the majority likes that type of play then I guess this is a good"revamp". I don't like it on any AT.People play in different manners and I suppose its worth sacrificying a few for the good of the dominator as WHOLE. If Castle gets an extra 500 dominators across the servers thats a good thing , right?

Dombegone is a seasoned bullrider at this point.I, myself, prefer barrel races.

Slows are pretty nil in pvp these days.

Sure it is in pve...... Oi vey!! I forgot pvp is dead in this game.
You are better off to build for rech and hp,Op. Promise.

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In some cases.... no!

Whats more important? Accuracy ,damage and recharge are alot more important to me as a player than end mods.

Like I have said for 6 weeks or more. This change is not the answer.But Gawd damn me for disagreeing with the powers that be.

You're right,Talen in that the arguement is psychotic(ie:futile).
Kill the whole feel of the AT. I don't give a [censored] my subs up August 2nd anyway.

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If you don't give a rats [censored] (mine is pretty nice looking btw, I got to test some implants...) why do you protest so much?

Also can I please have your stuff. Pretty please?

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Nope. Ill do a ss of all my slotted stuff and then a ss of "deleted". I am sick and tired of people that continually want something for nothing. Earn your own stuff.

No offense.

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Why dont you list what you've played on test and I'll list what I have. Then we can compare notes? N'est ce pais?

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50 Plant/Psi 192.5% build Exempted to all the different Oro Tiers.

50 Plant/psi SO build. Exempted to all the different Oro Tiers.

20 Plant/Fire Dom.

New Grav/elec Dom.

All were fine.

I wasn't disagreeing with you. I as just pointing out that you could be wrong possibly....

I mean no one thinks they are right all the time right? No one could possibly think the opinion they HAVE is the absolute right one for every other being right?

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Dear Mr//Ms Test Rat,
The issue isn't about being "right " or "wrong". It's about if these changes will improve dominator "POPULARITY".

My stance is that it most definitely will not improve the archetypes popularity beyond perhaps a 6 week curve. The need for extra recharge( ya know that lil thing called permadom thats supposedly an "exploit") is simply greater with these changes. Sure, a lowie can lvl faster but said lowie will hit middle age and hit gaps in attack chains. The mid 30 dominator will be harder than ever to level with the damage increase and the rech and end side affects tagged as its twin sisters.

Should I likely just be quiet? Probably. I said earlier I bet 1 bill enfamy that a large portion of this "revanp" will be rescinded within 3 months of this hitting live.

Time will tell.

Regards,
-Southern

In some cases.... no!

Whats more important? Accuracy ,damage and recharge are alot more important to me as a player than end mods.

Like I have said for 6 weeks or more. This change is not the answer.But Gawd damn me for disagreeing with the powers that be.

You're right,Talen in that the arguement is psychotic(ie:futile).
Kill the whole feel of the AT. I don't give a [censored] my subs up August 2nd anyway.

I am vindictive enough to looking forward to a good laugh when all these new doms appear and give up mid 30's. The change does NOTHING to lessen the gap . Thats the point right? To make Dominator's easier for the laymen?

Har har har!! Watch and see.

Why dont you list what you've played on test and I'll list what I have. Then we can compare notes? N'est ce pais?

I am so sorry but I dont have rest in my powers trays on any AT. What you fail to realize is that although the proposed "revamp" seems great..... it really plays hard for some powersets.

The arguement about perma's is redundant.

The idea for the "revamp" is a good one but it still needs adjustments.

A defense build isnt worth it. YMMV.

Toodle along,Talen!! ** hugs and kisses***

I am not a numbers Gal . I PLAY. Modifier, scale... whatever. I am pretty sure you get my point. Whatever thing thats increased dom damage is going to get lowered eventually. Thats what I was typing.

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Can you form your comment in a little more cogent a fashion?

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Must be Happy Hour!!! Hi, Talen!!!

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Increasing recharge is okay as long as the DPS in total remains about the same.

Inbetween your gaps in your attack chain, you can throw out controls. Remember that doms have a pure dual purpose now: Damage and Control. Do both. All the time.

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Not sure if this was directed at me, but my dom's have always played dual purpose. Isn't that how they were and are supposed to play?

That said there are innumerable encounters where you use 2 seconds to control and then have no further need to interject control again and just go into pure damage mode.

However people seem to be suggesting that even in these scenarios doms should continue to spam control powers?

I wonder if these people realize that control powers are extremely taxing on the end bar (ie st immob/hold are very poor endurance for the damage they produce).

I'm not ok with the idea that casual players are magically going to know they should use chilbain to fill an attack chain. And if/when they do that they should be slotting it for damage or else deal with even higher endurance spent for damage produced.

If I get around to it I'll post some numbers on what happens to a live dom with a fluid low end cost assualt chain compared to a test dom that interjects an unslotted st immob as a filler into a high dpa, gaped chain.

A sneak preview: it makes end consumption go through the roof and makes the shiny new damage buff start to rust.

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Please make sure and base the comparison off so slotting so people actually get an idea of whats going on here. Thank you. After all the "revamp" is to make Dominators more appealing to casual players. Casual players are not likely to preplan a build or invest much in io slotting.

Then do another comparison with optimum slotting and let them all see the difference.

Also make sure and do the comparison from 20-30 and 30-40... make thescale for those 2 segments a comparison against a tier3 perma lvl 50.

I am seriously not being snarky. I am simply pointing out that the changes thus far are still going to render Dominator abondonment pre io's. The changes neccesitate a + recharge build no matter what the powersets. Further widens the gap between casual and minmax that everyone seems to so object to.

Does this change effect any of my doms? Not really except they will be better .But if the goal is to attract more people to playing dominator's the proposed changes are not the answer.

With all due respect, I dont know what the answer IS. But this isnt it and I bet anyone on the boards a billion influence that the damage modifiers will be lowered within 3 months of going live. If not sooner.

Glad you have "someONE" in zone.

I didnt have any problems at all with my fire//psi on test. In fact? I cleared my comparative missions faster on test than live. Endurance still isnt an issue with enough recharge. Iunno,maybe if I ran her slotted with so's and no perma I'd be huffin and puffin hard.
Okies... I'll do that tommorrow..... respec her into so's with no io bonuses and see how she fairs. I already know the answer. I am pretty sure most of the "revamp" advocates do too.

Lately there's not much in zones to kill anyway. Why bother rolling a pvp character?

I'm not rolling any new Dom's. I have plenty as it is.

Longer recharge helps this how? Are you saying that because of longer recharge you find it refreshing to use more powers since the others werent recharged yet and something is STILL alive or what? Please clarify.

My opinion is the longer recharge and higher endurance costs simply make perma dom more of a necessity and widen the gap between the 'casual" so user and the min maxer types.

Yes, I have played the changes on test.

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i15 is the most useless issue they have ever put out

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When compared to all the other issues they have published since your reg date of 6-11-09 that is saying alot.

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Dont be naive,Q. Many people are enflamed enough to use trial accounts to post after cancelling.Besides? Thats a petty remark and off topic!!

It was 16 before. Again? Where's the note or are you one of the "select few"?

No offense but 6 months down the line this stuff will be addressed. Possibly sooner.

Souldrain and no pocket Kin and I am mowing stuff faster than I ever did even without the buff from consistent doubles.I am not being arguementative I am simply stating a playing experience.This stuff might look great to "casual".I fully intend to take advantage of naivete.

I am the big ole meanie

Basing a complete change on the input of a bunch of "yes men " is silly. Look at whats happenned to pvp.Look at what happenned to MA.Its great that they are looking at dom's AGAIN. I love the proposed changes. I see many loopholes in the changes and have actually played many of them already. These proposed changes will do nothing but make players seek permadom or hang up the character at a later lvl than before. I'm just saying I will be surprised if after this goes live it lasts long. Thats all.To be clear.....players will likely still get irritated levelling a dominator and with the rech and end increases to many powers the plus recharge aspect becomes that more a neccesity.

I am going to dive in the Ravine with Ditzy.Goodnight.