Sin_Stalker

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Screw it. *WARNING SPOILER ALERT. DO NOT READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE SPOILERS*

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Kyle Reese: ...Some of us were kept alive... to work... loading bodies into dumpsters and incinerators. The disposal units ran night and day. We were that close to going out forever. But there was one man who taught us to fight, to storm the wire of the camps, to smash those metal [censored] into junk. He turned it around. He brought us back from the brink. His name is Connor. John Connor. Your son, Sarah, your unborn son.

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This and other lines of dialogue, nay arguably the entire plot of the first movie make it clear that in the world the series is set in, Connor is the savior of humanity. Without him, mankind is doomed to extinction. He is such a lynchpin that skynet attempts multiple times to prevent his existence. However, in the latest movie, set at least a handful of years before Reese is sent back in time but after the nuclear holocaust, mankind is not on the brink of destruction. In fact it has enough resources to equip, fuel and fly helicopters and warplanes, to say nothing of keeping submarines operational. The best advantage Skynet was ever going to have, and when humanity would be closest to it's nadir, is in the period immediately after the nuclear attack. There would be no organized resistance and survivors would be wholly concerned with survival, let alone fighting against the machines. What we see in the first movie, with it's limited future scenes is consistent with this idea, humanity reduced to foragers and scavengers, driven underground by the machines to eke out an existence in hiding, not flying well equiped helicopters around Southern California in broad daylight.

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Reese clearly has about what... 8-10 years of aging to do before he goes back to save Sarah? There still isn't anything directly contradicted with what happens in the next decade or so before humanity reaches a point that lines up with sending Reese back... This is just the next sequential step in the story. lots left to happen.


I'd also argue you are wrong in the precepts of what humanity's capability would be just after the nuclear war. Most of normal humans - yep struggling to get by. And we saw ample evidence of that. However, clusters of surviving military units and equipment making a heroic last stand? Yep I buy that. I'd expect them to attrit over the next couple of years pretty quickly too. Setting up, again, just your point on humanity at the brink....


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Is John Connor behind this? Does the knowledge and forewarning passed on to him by his mother allow him to alter things by having humanity better prepared. No. Why? Because in this film he is no longer the savior. Cripes he's not even the singular leader Reese clearly indicates him to be in the first film, he's merely a captain or lt. or other field rank officer within the resistance who must follow orders handed down from a leadership of commanders who are removed from the field of battle. This is flat out contradictory and inconsistent with what we know from the first film.

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No its not.

But he had no recognized military experience. Gotta start somewhere. Human nature would dictate it would be unlikely to be at the top. Actually pretty logical that the surviving military command wouldn't plop him into the big chair and tell him to 'have at it'. This doesn't contradict anything.

And even still, everyone knew his name and that he was the promised savior. Heck, the entire resistance stood down on his orders.


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Then there is the problem of Reese. In Salvation, Reese replaces Connor as the lynchpin that needs to be saved, oddly, however, only so that he can father Connor, who according to the circumstances of the film itself, no longer seems critical or even necessary to humanity's future. Does anyone really think nobody but John Connor can get on the radio and give a decent pep talk?

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What? 1) what does the radio pep talk have to do with Skynet being smart enough to realize that killing Reese is as good as killing Connor and going for both at once? And the programmed android's instructions were expressingly designed to get Connor... getting Reese was an extra bonus.

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But wait, we haven't gotten to my favorite paradox yet. Skynet captures Reese, recognizes him as important, and uses him for bait to lure Connor. In first movie we are told Skynet didn't have very good records about Connor's origins because records were destroyed in the war. But if Skynet knows that Reese is important, there are only two plausible reasons for him to be so from it's point of view. Either Skynet has deduced that he is Connor's father or it knows he will become the soldier that stops it's first Terminator. Without either of these, there is nothing special or significant about Reese that makes him worthy bait. But if Skynet knew either of these things, it makes more sense to simply kill Reese outright rather than use him as bait for Connor.

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I'll give you a minor script issue with that one. But as for a contradiction... again, as mentioned, even Connor specifically stated that history was different. So some data survived the war. Maybe just the initial war - cause clearly it hasn't wound down yet. Is that data lost in the big explosion at the end of the movie. Skynet lacks the information going forward? Who knows. Again, no angst about it here.

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I was going to point out most of this.

Also repoint out this. At the end of T3, John is on the radio. He lefts whats left of the military know whats what. Not "lead us cuz we suck on our own!!!!".

He tells them the info. Skynet, machines, etc.

Probably at first they dont believe him but then they do. He would be brought on as an advisor, not leader.

He would probably be promoted to a higher rank more quickly than normal because of this.


And there is the main and simple fact that time is constantly changing in this series, not set it stone. The plot of T2 made you think that its all predestined because of the first terminator bringing that machine tech back.
No, T1 ended up speeding up judgement day. T2 fixed the speed up but only prolonged it. T3 showed us that.

So sorry, since time changes (as said in T3 since judgement day never came when it was originally said in T1) that anything goes now. Because of this simple last fact, there is nothing you can say or do to make any terminator EVER, that they are being wrong. Its an anything goes situation.

Very Nice.

Another lie... Obviously.


Pie is still better.

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It's onnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!

https://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat...12#Post13631907

Like donkey konnnnnggggg!!!!

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As to BAB... OMG funny stuffs and great threadjack heehee we love that here heehee

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No they dont!!!! Dont listen to them BaBs!!!!!!

Guardian server is cake.
Justice server is pie.

Pie's better and the cake is a lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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That's what she said!

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Why did you take the gag out of her mouth?

Weak.

*points to door*

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Well duh. So I could fit something else x10 bigger in there.


Still, Guardian server, your face!

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So apparently I'm in a relationship with everyone on the Justice server. No one has any children by me yet, have they?

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Yes we are both together but yes we also have children, dear.

I am your child, daddy.

Can you tuck me into bed now?


XD

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To Guardian Server:

Your face!

[/ QUOTE ]*Confused.* Um. *Punches Sin.* Your face!

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... uh... Your mom!!!!!!

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To Guardian Server:

Your face!

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No, yours.

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That's what she said!

Oh... wait...


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...toushay.

So many and all very nice.

Very nice.

It's onnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!

https://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat...12#Post13631907

Like donkey konnnnnggggg!!!!

To Guardian Server:

Your face!

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Guys guys... i know you have been told this before

It's not the number of people viewing in our forum...

it's the girth of their viewing


>.>
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:runs away:

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lol

DON'T RUN! DON'T RUN!!!!! MUAHAHAHA!!!!

lolz

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You mean like posting in a thread that got locked, like this one?

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So how much of Positron's post did you read in that thread?

Enough to know it was a "pt 2"? and if so, Did you read the "Pt. 1" where he said "Blame me"?

You were going after BAB he had no power over.

Not like Positron.

Not like Castle.

Or the programmers, or Castles new helpers Synapse and Sunstorm.

They all had more power (and responsibility) over this.

It's like bugging the lunch lady to take responsibility for the hospital she works at when there was a breach of patient confidentiality.

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Lolz, i love how in defense of BaBs we are kind of demeaning him.
"Dont get mad at BaBs, he's a puny puny shell of a man who cant do a single thing if his life depended on it!!! So don't snap at him and make him feel bad!!!" lolz jk

MAUAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!!!

keep your tabs good sir but do not touch mine. *takes off the top-hat and bows*

Ah, figured since you quoted me it was directed at me.

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So we have more viewers or we dont. Who cares.

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QFT

At the end of the day none of that stuff matters. What matters is we're Justice and you're not.


Proof.

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Uh... I am justice dude. Been on justice since the game went live. All my heroes are here. I run the Justice-Knights who are in the top 10 on justice. I have the Justice-Knights comic book which has a storyline thats based on RP I and a few others had with Manticore (turns out it was BaBs) back on X-mas 2006. RP that occured on Justice. I can list more but I made my point.

He would wuffle-bat you soooooooo haaaaarrrddd....

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Positron
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So there you have it. If you guys want to be mad at someone, be mad at me. In my efforts to make the game fun and exciting in the long term. I sometimes have to make decisions that make players unhappy, and for that I apologize. We are working hard to avoid these kinds of situations in the future, and will work hard to avoid the kinds of situations that lead to badge removal in future releases. I also want to assure you that we will not be going back and removing badges introduced previous to I14. Some of those badges are truly an accomplishment to get, and we will not take away from those that have accomplished such a task nor will we remove the ability for future players to aspire to those same heights.


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That's what she said.

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Blame him .... Since I've read this, I've been blaming him for everything, since he's so eager to get everyone mad then yell "Blame Me! Blame Me!"


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Your mom.

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Let's see where it gets him.

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...and your face!


Aw... now I feel better.

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and we still have more people viewing than guardian

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O Really?

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So we have more viewers or we dont. Who cares. I just love this. I love the change in that threads title to make people think Going Rogue details were in it.

Very nice. LMAO

Just incase anyone had a problem with the issue (and I have found some have), I have reloaded the issue back to the site. It SHOULD fully work now.... should...

Sorry about any inconviences.

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For what its worth. I am glad BAB's posted here.

BAB's isnt going to be the red name that will comment on the situation at hand, its far from his job description and I wouldn't expect him too.

I am actually glad he posted though because honestly I miss seeing his name randomly appear for no real reason at all. BAB's has been oddly quiet as of late and its really too bad since even the goofy off topic red name posts were still some form of communication and in some ways more important than official notices or comments on issues. We expect replies from red names in regards to in game issues, we expect to hear reasons why certain decisions were made. When we get communication beyond that, thats a level of service that I have missed dearly. Castle occasionally pops off with some good non game related comments, positron on rare occasions, but BAB's was always fairly regular until several months ago.

I am glad to see BAB's pop in with something not game related, it doesn't happen nearly as often as it should.

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Yeah. They probably told all the red names to limit there posts cuz of all the hoopla. Thing I am afraid of is red names going back to normal little by little but people snapping and not letting the past go and does nothing in the end cept making the devs be quite and not allowed to do the random posts that make them part of there own community.

I mean could you imagine if Positron made a fun comedic comment someplace else and dozens of players ripping him a new one? The people above the red names would react at seeing that and tell them to not post at all... for all we know anyways.

Has anyone had any trouble with viewing the Second issue?

I was messaged about someone having a problem at page 25 and it seemed corrupted and would freeze there browser each time. I went to look and it works fine for me.

Was wondering if anyone had a problem at all with it?