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Quote:Originally Posted by Venture
Name them.
Yes, you can, if it is necessary for the long-term health of the game.
So if you lost half your levels but it was for the good of the game you would accept it?
Earth and Beyond was doing level drops because of exploits with ammo. I know there was at least one other that did rollbacks, I think it was shadowbane but I cant be sure, I never played it.
Now admittedly that game had alot of problems also.
BUt when you take away a players work, you undermine the confidence of your playerbase. -
Quote:Yes there is, and games have shut down prematurely for pulling garbage like this.Originally Posted by Venture
There is no such thing as "MMO verboten", and one day they will remove all your "completed work" by shutting down the servers.
You can not take away a players completed work. -
Removing allready completed work that players have done is MMo Verboten.
This is a major mmo nono -
Quote:Thats not the problem, they have a right to change the rules.Originally Posted by SwellGuy
You don't have to run the tips all the time, just the one 11 mission cycle once per character at level 20+ to unlock the ability to get the hero/villain merit.
You can still get reward merits which is the standard reward for characters who have not run the full hero/villain tips cycle or for those who have opted for vigilante/rogue standing.
What the problem is if you have already done this, you have to do it again before you can claim hero merits.
So what if they took away a level off every character, its the same thing, they can not reset work players have already done. -
Quote:BZZZT Wrong!Originally Posted by SwellGuy
It's not a bug. It's to squash an exploit.
We arent talking about the change.
Its reseting your alignment thats a bug or them exploiting us.
Because we did the work, we should be able to claim the reward, the devs are stealing our time and work on this one.
They are wrong if this is intentional and not a bug.
Also cancellation doesnt kick in till the next cycle finishes, so I will be here for a bit longer. -
Quote:ITs not the nerf.Originally Posted by Casual_Player
Really?
The 10-minute alignment merit was nerfed and you're claiming it's theft?
ITs the fact that it resets your alignment, even if you have already confirmed alignment.
Its takes away work you have already done, that is theft. -
Quote:I wasnt...Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
Let's not blow this out of proportion...oh wait
It's an annoyance...we get that, but equating it as some sort of crime is tomfoolery
I was just point out that magnitude is irrelevant.
Just because its a short amount of time... still equates to reseting player work. -
Quote:Yes but you will have to reconfirm to get alignment merits and when you do run you will get normal merits.Originally Posted by TamakiRevolution
My toons still have their alignment powers and their hero/vil merits. I'm not that angry, especially since it hasn't even been 24 hours since the patch.
They stripped your confirmed status from you. -
Quote:Im not sure the reason is important, because im not objecting to the reward being changed to confirmed only. Im objecting to stripping confirmed status from characters.Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
one is a misdemeanor one is a felony,and the penny you are likely to get laughed at for reporting magnitude IS important when assessing harm. again, do you have any actual facts suggesting that this was done for a specific reason.
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Quote:your right if it is all a bug.Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
analogy so excessive it breaks any real relevance to the situation. we have no stated reason why this happened, no proof it was because of over rewarding, that is simply a wild guess, Lets try something and actually wait till we have some facts on the topic before assigning blame to any particular motivation.
BUt I have no objections to the reward being availible to confirmed hero's only.
But taking away confirmed hero's already existing confirmation.
THats the problem. -
Quote:If I reach into your pocket and take a penny or a dollar or a hundred dollars or a million.Originally Posted by TamakiRevolution
Oi, took the last part out because I knew you'd go there :P 11 missions isn't 10 levels what so ever. Plus what do you lose from having/while doing them again? Losing 10 levels+powers+ios+time > losing nothing except a little bit of time.
Its still stealing even if its a penny.
Levels is nothing but time.
The devs in this case are stealing time, weather it is a little or alot.
I might be overstating the case, but the developers are CLEARLY in the wrong here. -
Quote:Taking away levels isnt actually taking them away, you just have to redo them.Originally Posted by TamakiRevolution
It's annoying, but that's hyperbole and a half.
You didn't have anything taken away, you just have to redo it (annoying still).
Its taking work players have done and nullifying it. -
Quote:Analogy, not direct comparison.Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
10 levels? Its bad but thats just reching waaay too far. its 10 short missions that apparently everyone but me stealths and gets done with in 10 minutes.and an 11th longer one. Still, the resetting is not a nice aspect and hopefully whatever reason this was done was ont that only could be remedied in this manner.
Its not the amount of work thats taken away, its that they are taking away players work to correct what they consider an overrewarding situation. -
Something I just thought of
This is analogous of setting a player back 10 levels to fix a bug or an exploit, do you honestly think any player would tolerate that sort of behavior from an MMO
Resetting work a player has already done is not tolerable. -
Quote:Really, that has to be a bug...Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
Apprently the reward mechanic was altered with todays patch.
It reset everyone to zero. You are going to have to run an additional Morality mission now, which will give you regular merits. Then you can start earning A-Merits again.
Yeah...
That cant be right.
I mean okie I make vociferous complaints about alot of things, but reseting work youve already done to zero is so insanely insane that it makes mad scientists cry. -
The SSA reward system is not working even though it says you need to be a confirmed hero and I played with a confirmed hero, it would not reward an A-merit
This is very stupid and frustrating. -
A dev response on this would be nice.
Since its apparently bugged to all hell.
Its definatly bugged, just did it on a character who is hero morality, with call to justice and everything and no hero merit. -
Whats the rewards for the halloween trial?
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Quote:Yes but any character can beat the EB in arc 1 really easy.Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
It is? That's funny, because I beat it in 10:30 with a level 33 blaster.
The arc 2 EB is nasty on toast, and unless you are lucky, or have a build that works well this is a nasty fight, if you cant take down the adds easy, he will keep healing and he 2 hits squishies. -
Quote:Correct and also very wrongOriginally Posted by PleaseRecycle
Because doing the exact same thing over and over is boring, not to mention pointless when you can run arc 2 nearly as fast if you feel like it?
Arc 1 runs about 7 minutes with a really weak EB.
Arc 2 about 15 minutes with a nasty EB.
Also Arc 1 can be run by level 10's so its really easy to make alts just to farm this, 2 sewers and you are golden to farm.
Most players play for reward, because reward is fun. Its been ingrained by older mmo's such as ones that might have the same abbreviation as Equalizer or the one that resembles an 800 lb gorilla. -
Quote:Its actually probably fine on stalkers since they dont really aoe anyway, but then again Ive never really seen the point of a single target expert in an aoe game.Originally Posted by Test_Rat
You need to understand: I am not saying the set is unplayable.
Heck EM is playable. I am saying the stalker version is not as good as it's brothers. The devs had a cance to do something unique for stalker StJ like they did for KM. But instead they pulled a dual blades and left the set somewhat gutted.
I was hoping KM was the new standard in stalker ports. -
Nice but I think this is more riding on the power of EA being strong at the moment.
Ea now is definatly sweet. -
Quote:Majority probably not, but some people do not think Stj performs up to standard, go look on VU or EU chat or help on either.Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
I haven't played STJ live yet - I'm going to get it, but i'm waiting till my 'free' VIP points can cover it (Ta-daaa! How to get 'paid for' powersets without spending any more than my old sub!), but I remember it being great fun in Beta.
I also haven't seen any other 'STJ is Rubbish!' threads or even much anti-STJ sentiment in this thread.
Is it possibly the case that Shubbie is not speaking for the majority here?
Eco.
There has been some discussion about StJ feeling weak.
Mostly cause its aoe's never actually hit anything, at least sweep doesnt. -
bonus question
Does someone who has no clue, takes flurry and other such nonsense powers, slots range increases and knockback.
Do they leech?
If so what is the difference between the person who leeches by ignorance and the one who leeches by being inherently weak? -
Quote:So the refund policy is no refunds unless you are lucky and call the rep when they arent having a bad day?Originally Posted by Cake
Default is no refund unless you can convince CS you deserve one. So I would say both views are right.
Really?