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I simply adore when you go all Carebear to hide that rugged lone wolf barbarian stance of yours. Difference being that instead of having a heart painted on your tummy tums you have an actual one, retrieved from the last person who refused to put a little umbrella on your drink.



It's friggin' adorable!

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This made me snicker for a fair while

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Shotta stop abusing SRM account

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Ssh, it's a way for everyone to throw stones at SRM when he comes back

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Why use stones when you can use bricks?

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I can feel the love!

What I want is a new world order. With me at the head of it! Nothing less!

You are right, level 50's would hang around atlas (or if this were deemed a safe zone they would hang around train stations or portals) waiting for level 1's to log in and gank them. But then other players would see this and resentment and hatred would build up. Before long, bounty squads would form with the aim to protect those of lower levels.

Then maybe anti-bounty squads and ainti anti bounty squads (etc etc).

No longer would the Villain/Hero option matter. YOUR actual allignment and morales are the only things that would dictate your 'side'.

You could be different allignments on different chars, maybe even change allignment, maybe be placed in a bounty squad as a spy.

True freedom to do right or wrong. Is the world not about choice and freedom?

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Well that would make me cancel double quick.

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Already 1 step ahead of you just in case it does happen

I know, but for future reference you know.

you need the 'http://' in front of it if it doesn't have the 'www.' at the beginning of it in order to make it a hyperlink...like so...

http://ftp.cityofheroes.com

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sorudo, Leveling pacts weren't intended for anyone to just join anyone for the sake of it. They're for, you know... friends and relatives playing together.

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then i have news for you, i have none, so that statement is invalid in my case.

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*starts playing the violin*

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and if you decide to go the perma-dom route

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Which will be pointless as it is something that is being looked at for being nerfed, if they haven't done so already.

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Here...

ftp.cityofheroes.com

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No link for him Phantoms?

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And, like Praf said, surely teams would jsut slot intto place automatically?

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Easier said than done. There are so many factors involving balanced team play. Such as player availability, peak times, favourite faction/AT/Powersets etc. For it to be balanced well while overcoming these factors then the game itself needs a player base big enough, dedicated enough and interested in PvP for this to be viable. Unfortunately CoX has none of these.

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IO's are quite possibly the best PvE (and, yes, PvP) mechanic added to the game. Not only is it completely optional (believe it or not it is oh no shock horror) but it actually offers some decent flexibility on how your toon works in quite a few ways. It's certainly better than everyone just geting 50++ SO's etc...

Games like Freedom Force and Spider-Man rely on the exact same mechanic. Do super hero stuff - get points/money/xp to get new powers/skills/mechanics to do MORE super hero stuff. How is this different different to CoH in any major way other than, possibly, the way the game represents it?

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Because some people have the time to get them, and some people don't, which is what most of the i13 moaning is aabout when it comes to diminishing returns.

I agree that they are more of an asset, but people are turning them more into a problem, all because it requires time that they don't have, or rather, they don't have the same amount of hours in the day to spend gaming as much as another person does. Ergo they can't have what they want when someone else gets it...which imo is pretty childish.

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*bubblehearth*

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I rest my case.

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Damn, but I'd play that one!!

Someone, get writing it in BASIC, right away!!

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Well volunteered mate

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we'll keep your spandex warm for you

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Why does that sound so...ew...in my head?

(And good luck mate, hope it all goes well and you return soon)

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Because you are eww in the head, perhaps?

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I happen to be the most innocent polite chaps about thank you very much! Nothing disgusting or rude would ever cross my mind (unless it was put in there by one of you!)...so ner!

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Yeah right, it'll be shot down faster than a Longbow Flyer over Grandville.

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What if it was stealthed?

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we'll keep your spandex warm for you

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Why does that sound so...ew...in my head?

(And good luck mate, hope it all goes well and you return soon)

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I heard from reliable sources that the CoH2 might actually be CoH2: The Text Adventure.

You are at the entrance to Peregrine Island. Somewhere in the distance, you hear a lowbie crying for powerlevel. You see:

Ferry
Longbow advertising Recluse's Victory
Ghost Pigeon, the local enhancement salesman
Drones

Exits are:
NW, NE, E, SE, S, SW, W

> up

You're not flying

> powexec_name fly

You are flying.

> up

(stolen from tonight's Steaming CoXers chat)

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LOL...Ghost Pigeon

No idea why, but I can imagine that on a Spectrum with it being voiced by Stephen Hawking.

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And don't give me that [censored] about making more people try it to get everyone to enjoy it. Not everyone will enjoy it, please accept that however much PvPers like it, some will always hate it.


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First of all, I never said that everyone will enjoy it. I said "broader range" which doesn't for a second mean everyone. So stop trying to twist it into conversion speech.

Some points you need to understand before you get your knickers in a twist even more:

1. CoX isn't going to be changed to fit the world PvP engine in. It's in too much of a mess for PvP to work now anyway, and I'm quite surprised PvE still works fine.
2. CoX 2 is just a rumour. No official word has been released to say it is for definate.
3. The discussion here about WPvP is pure speculation. As CoX2 is just a rumour then there is no need to cry over milk that hasn't been spilt yet.

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I can ignore a player I don't want to play with, I can refuse to play with them and they don't bother me.
If this change happens, all I can do is leave the game to not interact with them, /ignore will be irrelevant.


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Ok. This is never going to happen in any PvP orientated MMO. If a PvP MMO had an option to flag if you were interested in PvP, and it was a system that worked, they aren't gonna take it away because in the long run if it wasn;t reverted back they would be kissing goodbye to subscriptions. If you decide to go on a WPvP like I have on WAR (they call it ORvR) then they legally have to put a disclaimer upon entering that sever for you to state whether you accept the terms and conditions or not. So regardless the player ALWAYS has the option. And *if* this was implemented into CoX2 for example, you would still see all of the above.

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My first encounter with another person in WoW was a high level character asking me if I wanted to duel then abusing me for not putting on my PvP flag.


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And Days. If I was to say to you this is an uncommon thing to occur, I'd be lying. However, there are as many good and honourable players as there are childish fools on a game such as WoW. Its just that the good players don't seem to be as heard as much as the idiots.

Now, is it possible to can the conversion cr@p before we get a few witch hunters in our midst?

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The empty PvP areas tell the story.



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It's empty now because of the state it's in. If things had gone better development side (such as listening to feedback in regards to rewards etc) then it would have been more appealing to a broader range of players rather than just those who play the game primarily for PvP.

Like Lionsbane said, no shunting aside, because it isn't fair imo.

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I was refering entierly to Sweetchilli's post (which, to be fair, I don't think was entierly serious).

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I'm sure he/she was serious, but tbh it wasn't that ludicrous...this time. (Now I'm waiting for the loving comment in response to this )

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What you if you team up with someone who 'accidently' left his flag on, gank galore.

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not to think about the broadcast chat about every freaking gank-whiner in the place.


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If you cannot rise above it, then thats why the /ignore option was invented. One of the best tools ever, I may add.

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We forgot the confuse-atlas nuke incident? That is what atlas would be, bunch of lvl1-5's decide to enable their flag to punch eachother for fun, lvl50 kicks in, whoomp 10 death on the ground.

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That would be another reason to support starting areas as "Safe Zones".

And I agree in regards to CoX/CoX2 never having the WPvP option implemented, its too far into the game (sorry for the pun) for it to be developed, as there are at least 2 other games (WAR & WoW) that can do it so much better and have the time, budget, experience and feedback to develop it according to how the players want etc. Its a shame though, because WPvP would be nice with a genre such as CoX.

I do believe I am not missing the point. I'll explain why.

The original suggestion about WPvP came from the part of the dicussion involving Hammerfall and Steelrat about how open world PvP would/wouldn't be suited to CoX (or even CoX2). You then came in with your post about how atlas/galaxy would be turned into a gankfest. I suggested an idea which I experienced from WAR, Techbot Alpha also mentioned the same, in response to you saying that it would become a gankfest. I also added to that suggestion with what Sweetchilli had posted, stating that it works in FF11 and wouldn't be much of a problem here either, as long as the...well you get the picture from my elaborated idea.

In regards to sweetchilli's post I only took the idea from it and explanded upon it, not agreeing with it totally and using it as the original point.

Now either PRAF thinks as you did, and thought I was referring to Sweetchilli's post as being the original point, or he thought as I did and was reffering to the WPvP convo by Steelrat, Hammerfall and yourself, Knight. I thought PRAF was responding to me in regards to the latter, hence my response to PRAF.

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Thematically, open PvP suits quite well, actually.

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which is the original point, and not sweetchilli's post. And that is what my posts are based on.

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the huge wow-like advantage

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There is no such thing in WoW anymore.Its been solved for sometime now.

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There is no advantage, there is only... HAMMER OF SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!1

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*Phones the guys in white for Extremus*

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And in regards to Atlas being turned into a gankfest for world PvP, take a leaf out of WARs book and make certain areas Safe Zones.

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But that would defeat the purpose of the original suggestion...

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Why would it? If Atlas park,Galaxy City and mercy island as well as the co-op zones were made safe zones why would that stop world pvp? Its a minimum of 3 zones, and a max of 5 (if you count cimerora). Last time I checked there was more than 5 zones in CoH. Bearing in mind WPvP is never going to be implemented into the current CoX. So whose to say there won't be more zones in CoX2? Surely with the amount of zones they could include from CoX to CoX2 having a minimum of 3 zones which are classed as safe, or closed to WPvP is not going to kill off WPvP as a whole. Would you like to create a toon and be able to get out from the 1st spawning point with no hassle? Or would you prefer a high/capped lvl n00b stand at the spawning point and 1 shot you? But it would only happen the once, correct? No. It wouldn't. Because more than likely there would be another high/capped lvl idiot standing by the hospital ready to put you back in it.

So lets make this crystal clear for you. I am not suggesting that a huge proportion of zones be made as safe zones. I'm suggesting a minimum of 3 (based on the current CoX) zones be made safe for new players so they can get their foot in the door without it being slammed in their face as soon as they create and log in.

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I say we make all the zones PvP zones and when you die you lose 1/8 of your total xp. It would be utter carnage at first but then an order would come about.

Yes, you would get level 50's obliterating level 1s in Atlas. But give people a travel power at level 1 and a 30 second timer whenever they enter a new zone and that would be enough time to get to a mish or a train station.

Alliences would form.

Be interesting just to see what would happen for 1 day.

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Square Enix and FF11 lol at you for that comment, and PvE is included in the xp/death loss as well. Not that exp matters as it is so stupidly easy to level in this game. Mind you, 12.5% is a fair bit of exp to lose, I think that 5% might be more realistic if this was actually took any further. Besides, with the patrol xp, xp loss would be effectively nullified just in the same way as debt has. Loss of influence/prestige or a % debuff of influence/prestige gained might be more viable.

And in regards to Atlas being turned into a gankfest for world PvP, take a leaf out of WARs book and make certain areas Safe Zones. For example, the capital city and the starting area are safe zones in WAR. Why not make both Atlas Park and Galaxy City safe zones, as well as Co-Op zones such as RWZ etc safe zones too. Wouldn't be hard to implement imo.

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Coin.....Coin just wants to find his one true love again

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Shen is right behind you

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What, like,.......stalking me, to steal my one true love from me???

What kind of hero is that????



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I actually meant that in a more supportive kinda way.

Khorak, you can keep your lube, but thanks anyway <3

My toons new years resolution are to enjoy retirement.

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Coin.....Coin just wants to find his one true love again

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Shen is right behind you