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It's pretty basic. They burned witches, stole ideas from other religions, tried to steal their followers and when it was all over they burned all the evidence. Even now they continue to force their religion on children. All that matters is the religion's philosophy, and brainwashing children is something i do not respect.
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Quote:Psychology and Philosophy, the latter taught to me by a very religious man. Some religion people would laugh at if i said, and one of the first things taught was not to be so judgemental as to believe you know a person solely because of one fact.Wait, I thought you based your life around the study of psychology, not religion?
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Quote:Not really. It was a pretty simple one. How does one of the most vocal posters over the last few months play the game for OVER FIVE YEARS without posting a single time, and how does this same person play the game for years without getting even a slight understanding of the game basics?
Are you like one of those "born again" Christians, except instead of a new-found belief in God, you got a new-found desire to spread completely wrong information on a video game forum?
Sorry, but I don't buy it. People don't play for 5 years without saying a word, and then wake up one day and say "you know what....starting today, I will post 30 messages on the forum daily and sound as ignorant as possible". Either they do it from the beginning, or they don't do it at all.
Or...a really vocal newbie buys the account of a quiet oldschool player, and then everything makes sense.
As far as leaving the forums because everybody "else" is ignorant, you realize you sound like the completely insane guy in an asylum, screaming that everybody around him is insane? Over the last few months, it's been literally the ENTIRE knowledgeable PvP community arguing vs you alone. Is it really that crazy to assume that perhaps YOU are the one that's wrong, not EVERY SINGLE OTHER person? Hmmm....I don't know.....
I'm waiting for my CoH to update and dropped by. And as always i'll try to respond to anyone who says something towards me.
I believe the greater population is almost wrong in just about every instance, why? Because they follow one another and never think for themselves, they are judgemental and usually a little arrogant.
I'm not one to yell at people for being insane, i don't like to point certain people out and make them feel bad, which is almost what all of you guys do when a newbie asks a question. And hey, just because i'm locked up with a bunch of other crazies doesn't make me one. That would be simplfying it, which is a task most of humanity has saddly mastered. Why think about if he's actually crazy? He's in there so it must be true. If i truly am crazy i'm glad to be, just because some people are afraid of my ideas.
I am proud to not be a christian, they lied to me for most of life and tried to hide their secret past. I found it, and i don't trust any source that has been wrong or lied to me in the past, that's a basic philosophy law.
I'm a different person then before, i would have been scared to even face one person in an arguement. I also didn't think i knew enough to speak up. I'm different now, and I can take on half of the world if i need to.
I also never knew of all the bullying that went on in here, that's something i don't like reading, and since nobody was fighting back i finally spoke up. Before i was idiotic enough to just follow the numbers because "they must be right". I didn't put any thought into it and now i am. Even if you guys picked that side, at least pick yourselves without just following the big names. -
Quote:It was a stupid question.Good job ignoring the specific question. Looks like Rent was right. But just for future reference, just because you buy someone's account, doesn't mean YOU were here from the first month.
I didn't buy my account from another person, i started with scratch. If i was fine with buying accounts i'd be fine with buying money online, and i'm not, with either.
I prefer to make the sword i use in battle, not buy one from a factory. There's no sense of accomplishment when you beat someone using money you bought online. A friend actually gave me some money once and i slipped them a purple recipe when they weren't looking, it needs to be equal in my opinion.
Also at this point i think i'm leaving the forums, i'm done preaching to people who are too ignorant to listen, although i have gotten more and more used to it.
If anybody has read my posts and wants to find me as i wanted to meet Zen, my global is @Relentless Juggernaut
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Quote:Good lord man. Are you really this clueless even when it comes to the one thing you specialize in?
The fear is by far the biggest -tohit in the set, and that's what it's used for in duels.
Also, you keep saying you've been playing since the beginning. Any reason nobody ever heard of you until a few months ago? And don't even try pulling the "i didn't post on forums" card. With how much you post every day, there's no way anyone will believe you could go like 4 years without posting at all.
that -tohit shouldn't even touch a good build, either you have something like focused accuracy makes it more like -3% tohit or you have [rage] giving you around 30, which is DR'd, so -10% or so doesn't change it much. It kills your DPS, which is about the only thing dark really has going for it.
Believe what you want, strangers opinions of me or belief in what i say has never mattered. But i hold my stance that i've been here since the first month of CoH. -
Quote:lol... getting a team of 5 MMs and camping one spot in the zone takes epic skill, yo.
The only halfway decent person from Balmont's group was Vince. The rest of them are actually really bad.
Vince said he wasn't the best. Stone brute the 1st or someone else was. He won their tournies for a few years until shin's ele/therm. I know it's easy button now, but at the time she was the only one on the server, and just dominated everything.
Daves dom on no DR was awesome too. Took some duelers that i still can't take today.
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Quote:Yea, because coming at them level headed has paid off so well for the pvp community in the past. Please let your sub lapse for a month. Then use the money to go buy a clue. Thanks.
You have no clue and should probably stop posting on the subject. Though sadly this has not stopped you in the past so you will probably keep going. There was many communications in the past, just because you never hung around here before doesn't mean it never happened. I have told you before about learning your history if you want to talk and be taken seriously. This is another one of those times.
No, i'm not completely aware of the past, and i assumed the idea has already been thrown, as a lot of people were attached to pvp before i13 and would have done anything to get it back.
What i don't understand is why we gave up. If we keep pushing something, it will fall over. We're dealing with human beings that can be influenced. This is not something to be considered impossible, because if you try hard enough something will change.
I think we're doing it wrong, at least some of it. The devs are never going to listen to us if everytime we have time to throw some words in we throw in pages and pages of ideas. We need to summerize, and tell them what needs to be fixed or changed right away and save the little stuff for later.
The past is a large factor in winning, as i wouldn't want to make the same mistakes some others have made, so i wouldn't mind hearing what has happened. -
Quote:There is a huge difference between putting your ideas on a piece of paper that you leave beside them and telling it to their face. For all we know they might have not even read that piece of paper, but actually telling them they need to listen and respond.
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You realize that even the 1% chance of the devs doing something for us drops to 0% when you insult them like that.
If we don't respect them they won't respect us. Instead of sitting there and saying nothing is ever going to happen, contact one of them high up and feed them ideas. There are a number of devs and at least 1 will listen.
I'm clueless on how to contact the devs, others apparently have, and i would totally ask them questions. I mean, they can't close my account for having opinions right? -
nice, my brute is SS and broad swords seems to always get lazy and rely on parry as defense. And rage rips through that. I also know some BS/regens, so i'll ask if they have any certain weaknesses.
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Quote:Bad and faulty logic is worse than no logic at all. Somehow you've managed to make yourself look worse and worse every time you've tried to apply "logic" to one of these discussions ("I was distracted by someone summoning a pet" or "Aid Self is better than Healing Flames because every powerset can take it" are lolworthy at best and downright sad at worst).
You can believe the world is flat, and that the universe revolves around the Earth, and argue those points 'til you're blue in the face, but experience and numbers prove otherwise and continuing to stubbornly maintain a position that's incorrect will get you nothing but laughter from those who know better.
Also, the facts and statistics of HF vs Aidself cannot be debated. Those are absolute numbers.
But which is better can be debated. HF is better then aidself because it's interrupted and heals more, but aid self is better in the way that it can be picked up by any AT. Meaning any brute can get a heal almost like HF. Aside from HF, fire doesn't really have anything to offer, so it's useless imo. -
Quote:Actually the actual math and science of the universe is unknown and still debated, much like the things on these forums. It's more like i'm debating about time moving slower and faster in some parts of the universe but people who don't want to believe it or can't even imagine it, deny it.Bad and faulty logic is worse than no logic at all. Somehow you've managed to make yourself look worse and worse every time you've tried to apply "logic" to one of these discussions ("I was distracted by someone summoning a pet" or "Aid Self is better than Healing Flames because every powerset can take it" are lolworthy at best and downright sad at worst).
You can believe the world is flat, and that the universe revolves around the Earth, and argue those points 'til you're blue in the face, but experience and numbers prove otherwise and continuing to stubbornly maintain a position that's incorrect will get you nothing but laughter from those who know better. -
Quote:Most of us don't define "alive" as "empty unless there are two or three Stalkers who can't even get an AS off on a grounded target."
There are very few good players on Justice who haven't already made the move to Freedom, and for the most part the Balmont crew is not in that group.
The Balmont school is full of the best pvpers i've ever seen in 4 years between different servers. I used to play Champion, virtue and even freedom. There's only a small handful of people i've seen take 8 heroes and 2 heavies at once, just to kill them 1 by 1 until nobody is left.
It got to the point where every tourny on justice ended up being the same 6-8 members of the school going against eachother, so they started holding tournies of just them instead, since that's all it ever got too. I was a part of one once and got totally destroyed by toons that weren't even their mains.
The "crew" is pretty much dead now. The best player amoung them left a while ago and Vince just recently switched games himself. Dave is still stuck on i13 pvp and only fights no DR if he's on. I don't even remember the others. -
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Quote:Here's the funny thing: I've never lost a melee duel, even under your set of rules.
EDIT: To use some of the analogies from up-thread: once you learn to play real baseball, you don't forget how to play teeball. Once you learn how to swim, you don't suddenly forget how to stay above the water in the kiddie pool. Once you learn how to drive a stock car at Daytona, you don't forget how to drive on the street. Once you learn how to do integral calculus, you don't forget how to add or subtract. Same concept goes here - you're looking at different levels of PvP, and since moving up in ability level is simply building on what you've already learned, you don't just forget that.
Who's to say one is harder then the other?
The best warzone player cannot "step down" and beat the best FCer. They are 2 different games. The warzone players tactics don't work when he standing still and the FCers tactics don't work when he has to chase his opponent. They each have their own tactics and are both on the same level of difficulty. -
Quote:All the evidence anyone could ever need is in this thread. Blatantly disregarding proven concepts and not using logic or reasoning towards additional elements are a good start.
What proven concepts am i disregarding?
I'm one of the only people here bringing logic here. Most of them, like yourself, are instead just throwing insults left and right. It's either because you don't know what we are talking about, meaning you basically don't understand the concept, or your simply trying to back up your "heroes" without any real argument.
Blind insults mean nothing, and apparently you do not know that because you threw one. You can try to insult me, but unless there is true logic in it i won't actually be insulted. -
Similar, maybe. He never took these things as seriously as i did and threw out funny comments now and then.
I heard some people already asked Leroy from justice, you can ask them, or i can just tell you. I'm not Zen shadow. I never knew him but his posts were always the ones that stuck out when i read threads. -
Quote:*sigh* Seriously? I mean seriously? WHAT can you do that isn't predictable when you are standing completely still not using any inspirations against a Melee Class??? I'm seriously at a loss here. Everyone who has been around for even a little while knows what the powers do from just about every set out there. There is no "Big Surprise" That suddenly when fighting a DM user you get feared occasionally. Or you are fighting a Katana user who suddenly gets more difficult to hit, but isn't putting out quite as much damage. *gasp!* How are they doing this? My guess it'd be Parry Spam. You think you have someone dead, but oh wait! They just fired off a heal that restored most if not all of their hit points!!!! Some sort of trick!? Nah its likely dull pain.
Seriously... examples here. What is there to adapt too? You are spamming damage powers without moving and using your mitigation set accordingly. What IS there to counter? Your opponent suddenly starts to Spam DA/Parry and you don't have enough to hit already? Use build up. Am I a pr0 yet? Like I said before, timing things when standing still is incredibly basic. Its something you need to do through all levels of PvP. Considering you are saying that is the MOST complex thing about Fiteclub I pretty much stand by my last post. Its the training wheels or as Mac put it the kiddie pool of PvP.
See here you have another problem. There are already established *Best* chains for Damage and the *best* way to mitigate damage. If I'm dueling someone and I see they are say, Katana Regen... guess what? I know what powers they have, I know what they do, and I know how to use them and how they can be used against me. That makes them predictable. If someone gets low on health with no click Regen powers up? Guess what, they are going to try to take a defensive stance. If their HP is higher and they have emergency powers up, they are going to be more offensive. I know that most Regen builds have Recon up every 16-23 seconds. I know the recharge times on DP and IH for high end builds, I always would assume I'm fighting the best build even if they don't have the IO's to back it. I know that stacking 3 Parry's can get you as high as 70% defense to melee, I know that also is likely to get DR'ed. There are to hit formulas out there if you cared to look that will tell you what % to hit you would have in that situation with tactics, Focused Acc, Build up, global ACC bonuses, slotting on powers, etc etc... so again where is this unpredictable behavior?
There are good and bad players when it comes to everything. Yes it does take a basic understand of your build and your opponents. But in such a limited situation you end up tossing aside so many other possible factors (Movement, evasion, phasing, inspiration use, etc etc) it DOES look really simple as far as skill goes. Its like basic addition does take skill and an understanding of numbers and how they work, so does calculus.
This just makes you bad. I'm sorry but it does. You can still win out against numbers, just no where near the margin you used to be able too. Give me 2 other good players who aren't all on melee toons and I can likely wreck 5 average players who don't coordinate all that well. Numbers matter, but they are far from the only thing that matters. I've had superior numbers and lost. I've had odds against me an won, so that argument doesn't exactly hold water.
Please, pretty please just share one of these genius tactics that have been crafted by fiteclubbers? I'm willing to keep an open mind on this if I think it will make me a better PvP'er, that if some how I missed something an opponent can do while standing there toe to toe with me. Just one. I'm not asking you to spill your entire bag of secrets. Just one example of a "Genius tactic" No need to reply to the rest of my post, its all pretty irrelevant next to the promise of learning something new that I overlooked before.
Well to a good player, nothing is unpredictable, but the same goes for your zonal pvp.
Its hard to become a good player and know every little detail about every power in the game. Adding inspirations and movement doesnt make it much more complicated. So if you think duels are easy, then pvp in general is easy.
You dont duel much do you? DM that uses fear? No thats not a good method. What I didnt predict about fighting a DM scrapper was he a pure buzz saw and did the 2nd most damage Ive ever seen in a small amount of time.
And how did that katana even get parry in the first place?
I shouldnt need to provide examples on how someone needs to adapt during a fight. But seeing as you couldnt think of one yourself, timing rage and hasten to get enough burst to kill a regen, or timing rage and hasten so its perma the entire match even with a bunch of recharge slows on you. You need to learn how to respond in situations youve never been in before, you need to adapt to your opponent and learn how to kill them.
My SS/fire (old expensive build) fought an SS/invul with no DR. The first match was a draw, and he said he could kill me, he just needed to adapt. I actually bet him some things that he couldnt, but he timed his rage/hasten with my hasten (because back then I relied on hastens +rech for healing flames) and used unstoppable to make KoBs hold not last as long. The timing was perfect and he killed me. He adapted that second match and was better, I was actually better the second match as well, but not enough. Thats how I know skill is a factor in duels. Its not just the build, or he would have won right away. That was a simpler example, there are more complex ones, but the explaination would be much longer.
You dont understand how complex FC can be because youre most likely not around good players or never really got into it. Trying beating some of the best FCers, there is a huge difference between you, who doesnt understand the mechanics, and them, who know the mechanics and things needed for a good duel.
Humans arent predictable, you cant argue that and Im not even going to give a response for something so obvious.
I think its easy to survive if I run every time my health is low, that doesnt take skill at all. It takes more skill to fight face to face when using melees because if you dont, its a tie.
I believe I was quoting either Mac or Con, or someone else you guys idolize when I said 2 good players cannot take 5 regulars. Its one of the first things I read when I came onto here and read some i13 complaint threads. Sadly the argument does hold up, I wish it didnt, but a good player cannot take 3 regular players. My scrapper has taken 4 people at once, even killed them all. But they were noobs, and 2 of them were stalkers and I was standing on caltrops the entire time. One was an ice dom though, the confuse was annoying. A pro should be able to take about 4 noobs, but a pro shouldnt even be able to take 3 good regular players. And in 2v5, 5 good players attacking on a pro, the pro will die.
This is probably the most important point of all, if Zonal pvp is harder then FC, then the best zonal player should be able to step down and beat the best FCer. But he couldnt, why? Because they are 2 different games. They have different tactics. The best zonal players tactics wouldnt work if he was standing still and the best FCers tactics wouldnt work if he had to chase his opponent. That is proof that one is not a step down from the other but simply 2 separate games.
There was a genius move Leroy did a while back with his brute, I tried to outsmart him and he saw right through it, thats why I love dueling skilled players, they always impress me. Ill try to remember what it was
This isnt it, but one of the tricks he used was his pet. Usually its best to get rid of the pet first on something as hardy as a brute, because then you can reduce their DPS by a lot. Well it turned out he just had a power slot open and picked it. It wasnt slotted and he summoned it at the beginning of every duel just to distract his opponent. Again its simple but it caught me at the time.
Another one was throwing caltrops behind him but close enough that he wouldnt dare trying to aid self and lose his a lot of end. I started doing that because instinctively when someone is losing health they start to back up away from their opponent to heal, but Leroy kept a calm mind and saw through that, so instead of backing up into the caltrops even further, he ran past me.
That may sound logically and easy, but in the middle of an intense battle where you need to be aware of every power your opponent uses, both of your health and end bars, and how much time your powers have left to recharge, catching this little stuff is difficult.
Also another one was when I was watching my tohit rolls and the amount of damage he and I were doing to each other, I learned my damage against him was fluxuating, meaning he was toggling a resistance power on and off to keep his end stable. So I timed Build up and made sure all my powers were recharged for when he turned it off to keep his end steady and bursted him to death because the resistance power was off.
And yet another example was almost the same, but I found out my opponent was using wedding band (it was on a fire tank, so I couldnt tell just from animations), I called him on it and he said he was new and didnt know he shouldnt use temps in duels, and then he turned it off.
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If i truely believed numbers were a factor in a debate, or a matter of opinion, i would have switched to your side by now.
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Quote:This is off topic but since some how some one brought fc in to this. Most fc's play for fun which is fine let them. Of corse any one in zone is free game so don't expect to not be interrupted and its also really easy to go to area now use it maybe and turn of inspirations if you don't want to use them. The hard core pvp who doesn't fc playes to win. Sadly some of the pvps that play to win feel like they have to hate on the people that play for fun. I support all pvp and i wish some of the vets could grow up and do the same.
I only expect to get interrupted by certain people, i like to believe the majority of people are good and won't bother me.
There is hard core pvp on both sides, both can be easy and both can be hard, it depends on who your going against.
I'm fine with both sides, mostly because i've been a part of both. I enjoy one side more then the other, and *somehow* that defines me. -
Quote:I'm not going to bother to responding to several walls of text, sorry. However, you seem to have conveniently overlooked the fact that I told you that I fiteklub on occasion, and I've never lost. I simplify fiteklub and group you with the Freedom players because your style of play is the same, and it is simple - I know this because I've done it. You simplify standard team PvP as "just calling targets," which is not true. Now, I'm sorry that you found yourself unable to compete at a higher level than "button mash in melee range until one of us dies" but if you really think it's that simple, you should gladly be willing to enter a team in that 4v4. After all, if it's that simple, you should just be able to jump right in and win it, right?
EDIT: Also, Siphon Life's heal is affected by heal decay. All heals are, and it's been that way since I13 beta (they weren't originally but they've been bugged ever since).
EDIT EDIT: You also seem to be insistent that skill is more important than build in fiteklub, and I'm not going to disagree that someone who's done more fiteklub will beat someone who is new to it, but the same goes for higher-level PvP. However, if you assume equal skill, the player who has the better build will win 100% of the time barring luck. That's not true in a setting where inspires and moving around is happening, because you can use those movements and inspirations to your advantage. You claim that inspires aren't balanced because they buff the base attributes of a character, but that's the fact that makes them balanced. Every AT gets exactly the same proportional bonus.
A lost in my books is different then yours. Kiting around/running and phasing when your low health just to stay alive is a lost imo and always will be. Its not impressive to never lose in a melee duel if you do that, its only impressive to survive standing still, and seeing as a build cant beat everything, you just havent met your weakness yet, or your only playing with the guys from freedom.
Im not sure how you fight, but I for one do not button mash, and I can assure you any of the good players Ive seen dont either. The only difference between the 2 games is using the arrow keys and inspirations. If you really believe dueling is button mashing, how is your play style any different? You really think adding some small boosts and hitting the arrow keys makes your style take much more skill? Not being able to run when your low health makes it a different kind of hard, but being one of the best duelists isnt as easy as many of you make it sound.
No, Im a dueler. Dueling and 4v4 are 2 different games. I choose one because I excel at it and because I enjoy it more, Im not sure why you feel you should ridicule anyone who enjoys playing their game a little differently. I never said dueling was harder, Im saying that its more complex then a lot of you think. Just because Im good at golf doesnt mean Im good at swimming. Both take different skills and one is not ultimately harder then the other. There could be arguments saying one is more difficult, but I believe that its equally hard to be the best if the competition is as skilled. Meaning, being the best warzone player would be easy if there werent any good warzone players, and being the best FCer would be easy if nobody was good at it, but right now it seems impossible to be the best at both. Even though many of the good players left, good players still exist.
I heard siphon lifes heal wasnt affected by heal decay, and Ive never seen it heal something around 70. Id need to see testing in order to believe anything concerning that now.
Youre forgetting the skill it takes to create a good build, this is one of the reasons I never hand mine out. You cant just assume equal skill, because it cant be measured. If a DB/Fire brute fights a Broad sword/regen, its the DB/fire brutes experience with that build. He needed skill to make it perfect, he needed skill to learn how to use it and he needs the skill in order to adapt to different situations. You cannot hand a build to someone and expect them to beat people. You need to fully understand why that build was built the way it was and exactly how to use it.
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Quote:I prefer warzone, it's more self-explainitory.Holy ****, that was a lot of words since my last post. I'm not gonna bother reading any of it, sorry guys.
I will just say this.
It's called ******* zone PvP. Not a "warzone". Seriously wtf.
And this is why i try to break up posts, because when someone sees one that equals around 2 pages in word, they skip it. -