Scythus
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Quote:Indeed, because what Vader actually says is, "No; I am your father" as he's responding to Luke's "He told me enough. He told me you killed him."Originally Posted by Golden Girl
You head a misquote then
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Quote:And if not from there, they have that secret base in Antarctica that successfully fought off Rear Admiral Byrd.Originally Posted by Frosty_Femme
It's a cloaking shield built by the 5th Column to hide their base on the dark side of the moon. Any day now they'll be launching space zeppelins to come home and rebuild the Reich. They come in peace.
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Romulus was given cloning technology by the 5th Column.
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Quote:Wait! I own that issue! Yeah, blatantly stupid indeed. I love that cover.Originally Posted by Pauper
I think providing a link might violate the board's terms of service, but you should be able to search for 'Dragon Issue #294' to see the cover in question.
Then compare it to the cover for #340 or #298.
My vote is 'blatantly stupid'.
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Quote:Now that's an interesting anecdote. Exactly what was the piece in question? I'd like to judge whether concerns there were justified or blatantly stupid.Originally Posted by Pauper
Let's add to that the fact that male fandom, and I'm not just talking comics fandom here, can get really upset by any image that might even be interpretable as a sexualized male. Case in point: Paizo Publishing, the makers of the Pathfinder Role-Playing Game, used to publish Dragon Magazine. If you've seen D&D/fantasy art, you know there's a lot of cheesecake there, including in some of the most iconic images that exist. Yet the editors noted that the single issue for which they received the most complaints about the cover art was the issue in which they decided to have a shirtless man in a loincloth on the cover, and not in a violent Conan-like 'seeing your enemies scattered before you' pose.
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Quote:True, but it's the type of missions and actions taken during those missions that separate the Nick Furys from the Slade Wilsons. Since Maelstrom seemed to go through team members like peanuts, I'd say he was more a Slade than a Nick.Originally Posted by BrandX
Because he was black ops? Sounds like Captain Fury style hero to me. Not all heroes are noble superman-esque do gooders.
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Quote:What's hard to grasp about it is that the evidence that he was ever heroic is lacking.Originally Posted by BrandX
What's so hard to grasp that he was considered a hero before his fall to villain? Does every character need some mission tied to them for you to accept that they were/are a hero/villain?
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Quote:Fixed.Originally Posted by Everything_Xen
Rocks Fall of Vengeance. Totally wicked.
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Quote:Um... no it's not. We never see him fall. That's the whole point of why he's not a "hero turned villain" poster boy. We see Desdemona (the poster girl for redeemed villains) redeem herself, where in early tip missions, she's a villain, but in later tip missions (and Incarnate content) she's a hero.Originally Posted by Aggelakis
This is correct. However, the secret origin is certainly relevant when it comes to being a posterboy for hero-turned-villain.
A better poster boy for fallen heroes is Doc Quantum. We actually witness him becoming less and less ethical as time goes on until he completely crosses the red line.
And as Agent White said, for all we know, Maelstrom could have enlisted simply to have the chance to shoot people. There are, in fact, unfortunately a lot of soldiers that're like that. -
Quote:By that definition, my utterly malevolent namesake, Scythus, was a "do-gooder turned evil" simply because his intents to unravel the mysteries of string theory were completely for the betterment of science. But when his device exploded and he was caught between our reality and the Netherworld and went insane, his villainy began.Originally Posted by Aggelakis
I never once said black ops part was heroic. He signed up to be a soldier. Through his connections, he was eventually promoted to black ops. The part before the black ops is pretty frikken heroic. You cannot tell me that someone who signs up to be a soldier is not a hero. You cannot. Simply cannot. No matter the reasons behind the sign-up, the result is a gol' durn hero. Period, end of story. What happens after that is completely irrelevant.
Most villains usually are decent folks and only think they're doing right before they turned toward evil. Darth Vader, anyone?
Because of this, the "secret origin" is hardly relevant as we know the character now. When we're first introduced to Maelstrom in Praetoria, he's a villain. Period. We never see his fall. -
Quote:Willing to do whatever black budget nuttery a superior officer asks you to do I hardly consider "heroic." Black ops does a lot of pretty screwed up, evil stuff.Originally Posted by Aggelakis
...so you're basically saying that being a soldier isn't heroic. Hoo, boy! *runs away from the ensuing firefight*
He signed up to be a soldier. That is the mudder fudding epitome of hero.
Due to connections, he got into black ops. Blacker and blacker, all the way toward vigilante, and finally his government said "no go!" and he totally went whackball. -
Yeah, I'm still not seeing the "heroism" either.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
Statesman DIES?
Thanks for ruining it for me. Jerk.Um... he was joking.Quote:Originally Posted by ShadowMoka
Because NCsoft totally didn't do everything short of plasting it on our bedroom walls for about 3 months. Let's not forget countless upon countless of threads that still pop up about this with no spoiler tags. This is the CoH equivalent of Darth Vader being Luke's father. -
Save for the fact that he never once acts heroic. Ever. I count Maelstrom as a straight up villain through and through.
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Quote:Ohhh... how little you actually do know.Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
You know as well as I do that this is what's going on.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Agent White
Siege - Defeated in the BAF, also Metronome is riding around in his carcass like a new suit sooo I'm guessing he might be dead-dead, if there aren't any back ups of his AI around.
So, that's about it. Did I miss anything?Judging from that, I'd say Siege is very much still alive. Metronome simply hijacked one of his shells.Quote:Originally Posted by Maria JenkinsSiege used to have a body that was similar to Citadel's, but he long since abandonded it once the new model Clockwork bodies came online. Now he hops from shell to shell for whatever he feels is appropriate for the job at hand. -
Quote:I'd have the same problem if it was Sister Psyche having a similar angled focus on her breasts. There couldn't have been a better angle to show this pose from Statesman? It just had to place his crotch right at the picture's center?Originally Posted by Lycantropus
I honestly swear that wasn't the first thing that came to mind when I saw that screen.
After everything's been said, the 'shattered star' picture may have been a better choice, and I might have preferred it myself, but I really didn't see the 'crotch in face' 'til someone pointed it out. Now, I can be rather perverse... ask my wife, or my SG when I'm doing commentary (then we can all be a bit 'out of line' but we only do so on vent
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Honestly, I just get tired of 'artistic' being okay if it means 'full frontal' on females but not on men (and the fact that Statesman is in spandex, being negligible to that debate overall because of that sophmoric idiology) is still made an issue of, is just silly, and an insult to the artist that created it.
Art can be more Freudian than you realize. There are other possible angles where this pose can be shown that doesn't coincidentally place his crotch right in the middle of my screen. Sometimes artists can draw things without realizing how others might interpret it. And this is one of those times where the artist clearly wasn't thinking about the angle of where Statesman's anatomy would be viewed from, especially on a large screen.Quote:David Nakayama (or someone on his staff, I don't know for sure he made this picture in particular) is a professional comic artist that Paragon Studios hired to do artwork for them. As an artist myself, I consider the reaction to what he's trying to portray as something that some consider pornogaphy (or a lack thereof, depending on whoose responding) as an affront to artistry in particular, as immature and worthy of condemnment. If people are talking 'crotch in face' as the line between art and pornography as the differential here, think about that before you speak.
He (or someone on his staff, as stated previously) created a piece of artwork as an homage to Statesman, baring his chest in defiance to whatever powers unknown (presumably Wade, but can mean anything) to present as the log-in screen.
If some folks see it as a 'crotch thrust-in their face' I can't argue their personal accessment of the artwork itself; but, personally, I am offended that's the basic assumption toward the artwork itself and felt the need to point it out. Feel free to request a different picture, but don't call it something it was never intended to be, and request a change. Just request an option to change splash-screens if you really feel the need.
I don't know how large your monitor is, but mine is a 24"-er and on that, the crotch is positively gargantuan!
At least you understand what I'd like to do to Statesman right now.... Dead or not.Quote:To reiterate. I feel no animosity toward this picture. On the other hand, if you came into my house and waved your genitals in my face, prepare for them to get punched (at the very least) I'm spoken for!
Between the last lackluster image with the Warworks BCU facing off against a derpy-faced Statesman that resembles a certain meme with a large, disturbing smile and modable name in I21 and now the crotch-centric picture that came with I22, I'm expecting in I23, Statesman will be borrowing a page from Captain Ginyu's book.
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Quote:Just for that, I'll be showing up at your house and wave my crotch in your face and we'll see how YOU like it.Originally Posted by Lycantropus
Thank you. You have no idea how irritated I am over this kind of overreaction to stuff like this, and the focus people put on such things.
It's the same reaction I feel when it's the focus of converstaion about Watchmen. Beyond it's wonderfuly acted parts, the direction and cinemetograpy (for the most part) taking and making a movie that all but transitioned between the frames directly out of the book, the complex story elements involving the individuals and how their existence changed history as we know it in their reality, down to the lighting, costuming, and music that pulled it all together to pay homage to one of the "go to" references for 'comics and 'graphic novels as art'
OMGBIGBLUEPIPE!!!eleventyone11!!!
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I once watched the full, extended edition (with the Black Freighter tie-in) with the express purpose of seeing how many times we see said 'pipe' clearly and obviously. It's twice. The same ammount of times we see it in the comics- and I can guarantee for less than five minutes over the entire course of a 215 minute movie. Anything more and folks are focusing way too much on it, or looking for it.
Full frontal nudity on a female "OH cool hur hur"!
Full frontal nudity on a guy and people overreact and the news talks about it for a week...
Really?
REALLY?
Grow up, people.
David made an awesome log-in screen in homage to Statesman, and folks feel the need to focus on the crotch of the character in the drawing. Appreciate it for the work of art it is... I think there's less problems with the drawing, and more soul searching some folks need to do for themselves... if you catch my drift... No... I'm not trying to be funny.
There's nothing wrong with the stance, but the angle is like... "Uh... am I playing a game or did I go to a exotic dance club for necrophiliacs?" -
Quote:Well, I'm not actually that close, but with the angle this picture is at, it certainly feels like it.Originally Posted by Arcanaville
If you're close enough to lick Statesman's belt, you are probably a bit too close to the screen.
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Quote:Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
Dude, calm down with the gay panic. Nobody is going to think that you're gay just because your game's splash screen has a picture of guy in tights and a dance belt, shot from a low angle. Sometimes a superhero is just a superhero. Your male privilege is still intact.Er, yeah... I think I missed a post somewhere too. Look, I have a good number of certain interests that can be viewed as an alternative lifestyle, but when I sign in to play a game, even I don't want some bloke I barely know presenting his crotch to my face.Quote:Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Where on earth did anyone mention anything about there being a gay panic related to this pic? Or anything related to sexual orientation at all? Lack of some portion of private parts, sure. But how on earth is THAT related to orientation or gender issues?
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Yep, we've gone from Statesmongler to Statescrotch. Awesome, eh?
I miss my Going Rogue screen. -
Apparently they're still testing the sound effects, as it seems no one can agree what a fast-spinning staff should sound like.
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Quote:As Xzero said, Mender Ramiel's arc is an instant Alpha slot unlock.Originally Posted by Fritzy
Agent White summed it up quite nicely except...
...You will not be introduced to any of the new Incarnate contacts until the Alpha slot is opened. Kinda of a bummer because the new DA is not setup to give a quick opening to the Alpha. You can street hunt (or team with someone who can get the missions), but it will take an awfully long time to get the 1,000,000 incarnate exp needed to unlock it. Get the Alpha slot unlocked before exploring DA and then everything is cool. -
Well, it seems I'm going to start having to be a lot more picky of what arcs to play during the level twenty range for certain characters now. Are they a character more likely to take on evil clones of themselves, go after magical secrets and artifacts, or visit alternate worlds?
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Once again, awesome trailer as usual.