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I was on Cap's side too.
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I could cite a few examples in our current society that have seen the continued erosion of human and civil rights in western civilization that should have everyone up in arms and yet everyone is still worried about the Kardashians or some other nonsense, but that would be derailing this thread even more. Suffice to say, people are sheep and they run away.
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Quote:And that's why you'll all be forever doomed as sheep. Don't feel too bad, though, it's human nature to run away from resistance.Actually most people I know that have left "the cause" realize that there is no cause left. CoH is closing and nothing can be done to SaveCoH. Like myself; they are not interested in Plan Z, an emulator, or smear campaigns against NCSoft because none of those things will: SaveCoH.
I'm all for fighting when there is a chance you can win the actual fight, but I am also a realist and know a few hundred people yelling is not going to make NCSoft "see the light" and cancel the shutdown. -
Quote:It's because people are docile sheep. When large crowds come together, claiming to be fighting for something, they're all bark and no bite. The first hint of repulsion from their opponent, they scatter.Sure, but, at that time, instead of taking their "go screw yourselves" as the end of it, I felt like we should have stepped up and countered it with a larger show than we did at the initial announcement.
Even offering an announcement that no negotiations will tak place is a part of negotiating... otherwise, there'd be zero communication.
My final point is that, unfortunately, their tactic (with that announcement) worked like a charm for them.
"Stop protesting! You cannot win!"
And the majority of people walked away saying, "Oh, okay, that's over!".
Just boggles my mind that people would take that reaction.
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Damn, that just pisses me off even more.
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Definitely Nerva Archipelago.
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Quote:No, but they sometimes feature rules that can be turned on or off, based on your preference. Too bad a friend of mine isn't here, he'd go into a giant rant about how video games could never be true RPGs.Putting aside RPGA events where it wasn't optional... Many things are optional in tabletop games that are not optional in video games. Most video games don't allow me the option of creating my own setting or house rules, either - that doesn't mean they aren't RPGs.
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Quote:Pre-made characters were always optional though, and considering the number of times I've seen them in use (meaning... never), I'd hardly call them on the level of "staple" which implies a basic use. In fact, creating a character from scratch seems far more basic in the medium than pre-made characters.I've actually never used pre-made characters in my home campaigns, but they have nevertheless been a part of tabletop gaming. Many D&D published adventures came with pre-made characters to use (and many official RPGA events have required using pre-made characters). The original Marvel Superheroes RPG was setup to use published characters with no official custom creation option - there was a random character generator but I'm not certain if that was included in the original release. The later Marvel RPG from TSR that used cards and Mayfair's DC Heroes could be played either way. Some Call of Cthulhu adventures came with pre-made investigators (which could be convenient given the high mortality rate).
I prefer to make my own characters (and often setting, for that matter), but it would be ignorant to deny that pre-generated player characters have been a part of tabletop gaming for quite awhile now.
So, can you point out to me how "optional" it is to play Marvel's characters in Marvel Heroes Online? -
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For some of us, it's actually closer to being the west.
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Quote:Hmmmm......Dont recall anyone saying an emulator was illegal but we are talking about the illegal emulators. You know the ones that break actual laws like copyright laws and stuff.
List of people who actually claimed that an emulator would be "illegal."
Quote:Considering how Save CoH is in bed with the illegal reverse engineering effort, I can't imagine why NCSoft would refuse to talk to them... Gee. Total puzzler.
Quote:And so a person saying they are going to bootleg their stuff is suppose to get them talking?
I'm talking within the context of them not responding to te request of that article, which the talks of reverse engineering was very soon after the Aug. 31st announcement. Even outside the context of this article, still there wasnt much time for them to reply. Corporations dont jump through hoops because a few players demand it. And sure as hell isnt going to do it when many talk about doing illegal stuff with their property. But as I said, I'm talking within the time period of this article. You assume too much. so no dice for you actually.Quote:Oh yeah I forgot if you are not totally up the SaveCoH backside then you are a troll. Speaking of illegal - how's that emulator coming along?
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Quote:Good luck to them, but the Feds can turn this type of tactic into witch hunts.Necessity: the mother of invention and the birthplace of tomorrow.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...for-the-cloud/
Quote:Anyway.
I like how even a good, clean conversation about how NCSoft are doodooheads gets derailed by arguments about how #SaveCoH is desperate and how emulators are illegal.
Give it up, folks. Because there's one thing you can't change, there's one fact here that you can't avoid, there's one mountain that you can't sweep under your rug of distraction and subterfuge.
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Hahahaha. It isn't all bad. All he has to do is put some Wayne Enterprises click ads on his site and he'll be set for life.
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Quote:Oh please, Elizabeth Bathory had him beat by several hundred years.I think Heinlein already called this. If I'm remembering right, in some of his Future History stories, part of the rejuvenation process involved giving the patient new/fresh/young blood and replacing the old & worn out stuff. Something about getting rid of the toxins and other assorted garbage that builds up in the blood.
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Quote:What? With the things that companies have done to P2P websites and networks these days? It'll be the latter, and it will be extremely... well, I let's just say, I wouldn't want to be the people who coded the emulator.probably. But as a poster said, they would just ignore the C&D order anyways (Like NCSoft dont already have their information) it anyways. And that is when I want to watch to see what happens next. Would NCSoft just say "Oh ok. Well they said no, so we are going to leave it"? Or will they send the big dawgs of the legal offices now?
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I'm expecting that emulator, if it ever gets up and running (with the game code being "all sorts of spaghetti" such hopes look doubtful), will be slapped down by NCSoft with a C&D order. It's the type of thing they'd do, just to piss in everyone's cheerios.
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Quote:Well, it doesn't need to be taken seriously on the same level. But I'd still like to understand what is going on and why my hero needs to stop this. Otherwise my character is just a robot without personality.No, I'm saying that it doesn't entertain me in this format. I love literature, I read quite a bit. It's sort of hard to go from Infinite Jest to "Defeat the super villain on screen bad guys" and still presume to take the latter seriously.
I actually view it more like going from reading Infinite Jest to reading something lighter like Conan or some other classic pulp story.
Quote:So when Bad BaB chugs a beer and flexes his muscles, you actually take it seriously? :|
Quote:When Captain States-'Merica gets killed by that level 20 contact in the purple jumpsuit, you actually think it carries emotional weight?
When Sister Psyche takes an arrow to the knee.. er, chest, you're actually more concerned about her dying than you are about how in the HELL she managed to "threaten the lives" of everyone in Paragon city when:
A.) You can't even target citizens!
But even if you could...
B.) She was WAY past the target cap!
Quote:COH thinks its stories matter. I like that CO knows better.
Well then maybe you should start reading books. I'm sure you'll be able to appreciate video games more when you need a break from literature.
Quote:This just in: The sky is also blue! But for the record, it's more like comparing the most pristine fruit in the world to something that anyone could make a strong case for being inedible.
Quote:I never got into comics myself. I did grow up on super hero cartoons though, and I've always thought it was a neat environment. I'm sure that Freud would have an explanation for this. -
Quote:Are you implying an immersive story can't be fun? As a frequent reader of fiction and aspiring author, I have a major bone to pick with you if you think so. I like to know what the evil robot cowboys and sharks have been doing to cause my hero to be called in to pound them. Which brings us to....I just like gameplay, but environment is important to me. Story is sort of relevant to that- I like the superhero world, I don't like dragons or epic asian quest worlds. But I also don't care about the involved lore or bad guys, lol. I play games for fun. In CO, I like beating up guys in purple hats, I like beating up robot cowboys, I like beating up mechanical sharks. It's campy and fun.
Quote:The general gist of the story is summed up in the cut scenes anyways. This isn't exactly Kierkegaard- You're a super hero and you fight generic evil bad guys for great lol's, comical moments and entertainment.
Quote:I've always been annoyed by the COH lore crowd, even though I love COH. I mean, to me, it's a fun super hero game. The intelligent, involved aspect of the game has always been end game character building since I started playing. I think I have a decent understanding of COH lore, but I only picked it up by accident while playing a fun video game. It's just not important to me.
Quote:If I wanted to become involved in the content of great walls of text I would be reading Kafka, not the dialogue in super hero video games. At least CO doesn't make the mistake of taking itself too seriously in that respect, and I'm very grateful in that respect. It's a tremendous breath of fresh air. -
And I'll never understand why anyone can do that. The story (motivation) is as important to me as the task.
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That's nice. Not all of us are going to be going through it the 50th time, though. And with as much stuff I read (I read lots of stuff), sometimes I need a refresher occasionally.
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Quote:Speed demons are speed demons. They probably don't even read whatever briefing that even exists. Personally? I like to make sure I'm informed of everything going on and approach with a plan (if one's needed). One reason I've never liked speed runs in CoH.Hmm interesting. From what I see on the boards, it's more than 15 min on average but some people may have done it in 15. It takes about 30 for me, never an hour yet, and some people probably take more than an hour. Given I was taking my time for 30 mins, I suppose that if a person get on it and go from mission to mission and not clowning around in between missions, then 15 is very doable. Someone might have done it in ten. Got some speed demons out there.
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Dear God.... They're really going out of their way to damage first impressions of the game over there, aren't they?