Scythus

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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast View Post
    It's also human nature to call people sheep to make yourself feel better/unique
    (Hey at least you didn't call me a NCSoft apologist or employee)
    That's silly.





    Nothing makes me feel better.
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tenzhi View Post
    Is it? It's always seemed to me that most people seek resistance and name it "challenge"...
    I could cite a few examples in our current society that have seen the continued erosion of human and civil rights in western civilization that should have everyone up in arms and yet everyone is still worried about the Kardashians or some other nonsense, but that would be derailing this thread even more. Suffice to say, people are sheep and they run away.
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast View Post
    Actually most people I know that have left "the cause" realize that there is no cause left. CoH is closing and nothing can be done to SaveCoH. Like myself; they are not interested in Plan Z, an emulator, or smear campaigns against NCSoft because none of those things will: SaveCoH.

    I'm all for fighting when there is a chance you can win the actual fight, but I am also a realist and know a few hundred people yelling is not going to make NCSoft "see the light" and cancel the shutdown.
    And that's why you'll all be forever doomed as sheep. Don't feel too bad, though, it's human nature to run away from resistance.
  4. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Electric-Knight View Post
    Sure, but, at that time, instead of taking their "go screw yourselves" as the end of it, I felt like we should have stepped up and countered it with a larger show than we did at the initial announcement.
    Even offering an announcement that no negotiations will tak place is a part of negotiating... otherwise, there'd be zero communication.
    My final point is that, unfortunately, their tactic (with that announcement) worked like a charm for them.
    "Stop protesting! You cannot win!"
    And the majority of people walked away saying, "Oh, okay, that's over!".

    Just boggles my mind that people would take that reaction.
    It's because people are docile sheep. When large crowds come together, claiming to be fighting for something, they're all bark and no bite. The first hint of repulsion from their opponent, they scatter.
  5. Scythus

    Marvel Heroes

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    Originally Posted by Tenzhi View Post
    Putting aside RPGA events where it wasn't optional... Many things are optional in tabletop games that are not optional in video games. Most video games don't allow me the option of creating my own setting or house rules, either - that doesn't mean they aren't RPGs.
    No, but they sometimes feature rules that can be turned on or off, based on your preference. Too bad a friend of mine isn't here, he'd go into a giant rant about how video games could never be true RPGs.

    As for the RPGA, seeing as I never went to an event, I could give diddly damn squat about them.
  6. Scythus

    Marvel Heroes

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    Originally Posted by Tenzhi View Post
    I've actually never used pre-made characters in my home campaigns, but they have nevertheless been a part of tabletop gaming. Many D&D published adventures came with pre-made characters to use (and many official RPGA events have required using pre-made characters). The original Marvel Superheroes RPG was setup to use published characters with no official custom creation option - there was a random character generator but I'm not certain if that was included in the original release. The later Marvel RPG from TSR that used cards and Mayfair's DC Heroes could be played either way. Some Call of Cthulhu adventures came with pre-made investigators (which could be convenient given the high mortality rate).

    I prefer to make my own characters (and often setting, for that matter), but it would be ignorant to deny that pre-generated player characters have been a part of tabletop gaming for quite awhile now.
    Pre-made characters were always optional though, and considering the number of times I've seen them in use (meaning... never), I'd hardly call them on the level of "staple" which implies a basic use. In fact, creating a character from scratch seems far more basic in the medium than pre-made characters.

    So, can you point out to me how "optional" it is to play Marvel's characters in Marvel Heroes Online?
  7. Scythus

    Marvel Heroes

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    Originally Posted by Tenzhi View Post
    Playing pre-existing characters has long been a staple of RPGs (both the video game kind and the tabletop).
    Maybe at your tabletop, but at the tabletops I've been at, we've always created our own characters.
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kurrent View Post
    Not sure if Avatea counts as a dev or more of a community moderator like Zwill, but she was a redname. She took a job in China IIRC.
    Not surprising, that's where all the jobs are these days.
  9. For some of us, it's actually closer to being the west.
  10. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy View Post
    Dont recall anyone saying an emulator was illegal but we are talking about the illegal emulators. You know the ones that break actual laws like copyright laws and stuff.
    Hmmmm......

    List of people who actually claimed that an emulator would be "illegal."

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    Originally Posted by Brillig View Post
    Considering how Save CoH is in bed with the illegal reverse engineering effort, I can't imagine why NCSoft would refuse to talk to them... Gee. Total puzzler.
    This second one is ironic:

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    Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy View Post
    And so a person saying they are going to bootleg their stuff is suppose to get them talking?

    I'm talking within the context of them not responding to te request of that article, which the talks of reverse engineering was very soon after the Aug. 31st announcement. Even outside the context of this article, still there wasnt much time for them to reply. Corporations dont jump through hoops because a few players demand it. And sure as hell isnt going to do it when many talk about doing illegal stuff with their property. But as I said, I'm talking within the time period of this article. You assume too much. so no dice for you actually.
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    Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast View Post
    Oh yeah I forgot if you are not totally up the SaveCoH backside then you are a troll. Speaking of illegal - how's that emulator coming along?
    Note that there are no Scythuses, pebblebrooks, Major_Pranksters, or NinjaPirates on that list. As stated earlier, a company doesn't need to "win" to put an emulator out of operation, they only need to make your legal fees so expensive that it'll put you out of operation anyway. Also note my earlier mention of what companies have done to P2P sites and networks, as it's a very similar situation due to the fact that the P2P tools are not actually responsible for any illegal operations that take place, yet they still get canned most of the time.

    Legal battles are rough on the wallet whether you're in the right or wrong.
  11. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Captain-Electric View Post
    Necessity: the mother of invention and the birthplace of tomorrow.

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...for-the-cloud/
    Good luck to them, but the Feds can turn this type of tactic into witch hunts.

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    Anyway.

    I like how even a good, clean conversation about how NCSoft are doodooheads gets derailed by arguments about how #SaveCoH is desperate and how emulators are illegal.

    Give it up, folks. Because there's one thing you can't change, there's one fact here that you can't avoid, there's one mountain that you can't sweep under your rug of distraction and subterfuge.

    NCSoft are doodooheads.
    Oh, I'm in full agreement. That's why I said NCSoft would be pissing in everyone's cheerios, because that's what jerks do. I didn't buy the "exhausted all options" bullhockey and will never be giving them my money ever again.
  12. Hahahaha. It isn't all bad. All he has to do is put some Wayne Enterprises click ads on his site and he'll be set for life.
  13. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dark One View Post
    I think Heinlein already called this. If I'm remembering right, in some of his Future History stories, part of the rejuvenation process involved giving the patient new/fresh/young blood and replacing the old & worn out stuff. Something about getting rid of the toxins and other assorted garbage that builds up in the blood.
    Oh please, Elizabeth Bathory had him beat by several hundred years.
  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy View Post
    probably. But as a poster said, they would just ignore the C&D order anyways (Like NCSoft dont already have their information) it anyways. And that is when I want to watch to see what happens next. Would NCSoft just say "Oh ok. Well they said no, so we are going to leave it"? Or will they send the big dawgs of the legal offices now?
    What? With the things that companies have done to P2P websites and networks these days? It'll be the latter, and it will be extremely... well, I let's just say, I wouldn't want to be the people who coded the emulator.
  15. I'm expecting that emulator, if it ever gets up and running (with the game code being "all sorts of spaghetti" such hopes look doubtful), will be slapped down by NCSoft with a C&D order. It's the type of thing they'd do, just to piss in everyone's cheerios.
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy View Post
    No, I'm saying that it doesn't entertain me in this format. I love literature, I read quite a bit. It's sort of hard to go from Infinite Jest to "Defeat the super villain on screen bad guys" and still presume to take the latter seriously.
    Well, it doesn't need to be taken seriously on the same level. But I'd still like to understand what is going on and why my hero needs to stop this. Otherwise my character is just a robot without personality.

    I actually view it more like going from reading Infinite Jest to reading something lighter like Conan or some other classic pulp story.

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    So when Bad BaB chugs a beer and flexes his muscles, you actually take it seriously? :|
    It's simple characterization. No reason to view him as a mindless robot.

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    When Captain States-'Merica gets killed by that level 20 contact in the purple jumpsuit, you actually think it carries emotional weight?

    When Sister Psyche takes an arrow to the knee.. er, chest, you're actually more concerned about her dying than you are about how in the HELL she managed to "threaten the lives" of everyone in Paragon city when:

    A.) You can't even target citizens!

    But even if you could...

    B.) She was WAY past the target cap!
    Now this is just being disingenuous and conflating story with metagame. Anyone familiar with RPGs knows that this is a faulty argument from the get-go.

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    COH thinks its stories matter. I like that CO knows better.
    Well then maybe you should start reading books. I'm sure you'll be able to appreciate video games more when you need a break from literature.
    I do read books. Lots of them. And the reason for that is because I have an insatiable lust for stories.

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    This just in: The sky is also blue! But for the record, it's more like comparing the most pristine fruit in the world to something that anyone could make a strong case for being inedible.
    "Inedible?" That's a bit unfair. It's not the Holy Grail of of writing, sure, but it still brings me the same level of enjoyment that reading pulp or comics has brought me. Not everything needs to be Dune or the Godfather.

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    I never got into comics myself. I did grow up on super hero cartoons though, and I've always thought it was a neat environment. I'm sure that Freud would have an explanation for this.
    Well, comics have always been an enjoyable hobby of mine, thus the reason I was attracted to CoH and the reason I'll head to CO when it's gone.
  17. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy View Post
    I just like gameplay, but environment is important to me. Story is sort of relevant to that- I like the superhero world, I don't like dragons or epic asian quest worlds. But I also don't care about the involved lore or bad guys, lol. I play games for fun. In CO, I like beating up guys in purple hats, I like beating up robot cowboys, I like beating up mechanical sharks. It's campy and fun.
    Are you implying an immersive story can't be fun? As a frequent reader of fiction and aspiring author, I have a major bone to pick with you if you think so. I like to know what the evil robot cowboys and sharks have been doing to cause my hero to be called in to pound them. Which brings us to....

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    The general gist of the story is summed up in the cut scenes anyways. This isn't exactly Kierkegaard- You're a super hero and you fight generic evil bad guys for great lol's, comical moments and entertainment.
    Actually I always thought super heroes fight villains because the villains were breaking the law or threatening the world, not because they wanted to have an "lol" and be entertained.

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    I've always been annoyed by the COH lore crowd, even though I love COH. I mean, to me, it's a fun super hero game. The intelligent, involved aspect of the game has always been end game character building since I started playing. I think I have a decent understanding of COH lore, but I only picked it up by accident while playing a fun video game. It's just not important to me.
    Well, unfortunately I prefer more depth than... "I beat up villains because I can." That's why the story is important to me. I wouldn't bother with a lot of games if it wasn't for the story. Heck, even the old game Donkey Kong had a plot (albeit very limited): save the girl from the big gorilla.

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    If I wanted to become involved in the content of great walls of text I would be reading Kafka, not the dialogue in super hero video games. At least CO doesn't make the mistake of taking itself too seriously in that respect, and I'm very grateful in that respect. It's a tremendous breath of fresh air.
    CoH's story is hardly on the level of Kafka. That's comparing apples and carrots. CoH is no more deep than the comic book medium it's inspired by. I view skipping the CoH writing as skipping the word balloons in comics and just looking at the pictures.
  18. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy View Post
    Personally I never sit down and read everything in any game, I just scan the text enough to know what the objectives are if it isn't glaringly obvious (which nine times out of ten, it is.)
    And I'll never understand why anyone can do that. The story (motivation) is as important to me as the task.
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Vyver View Post
    Well. once you play the first mission chain for the 50th time (since there's only one, and no DFB to use to skip to the more interesting stuff) you dont need to read the text.
    That's nice. Not all of us are going to be going through it the 50th time, though. And with as much stuff I read (I read lots of stuff), sometimes I need a refresher occasionally.
  20. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy View Post
    Hmm interesting. From what I see on the boards, it's more than 15 min on average but some people may have done it in 15. It takes about 30 for me, never an hour yet, and some people probably take more than an hour. Given I was taking my time for 30 mins, I suppose that if a person get on it and go from mission to mission and not clowning around in between missions, then 15 is very doable. Someone might have done it in ten. Got some speed demons out there.
    Speed demons are speed demons. They probably don't even read whatever briefing that even exists. Personally? I like to make sure I'm informed of everything going on and approach with a plan (if one's needed). One reason I've never liked speed runs in CoH.
  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy View Post
    If you're not silver you can also skip the tutorial and start at level 6 though. Getting from 6 to 10 takes, what.. 15 minutes max?
    "15 minutes?" Doubtful. The most common estimate I've read on these boards and CO's is an hour.
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ogi View Post
    Your account must pass the following criteria:

    * At least one of your characters must be level 10 or higher.

    If you feel that this message is an error, please contact Perfect World Entertainment's Billing Team through the Support System.
    Dear God.... They're really going out of their way to damage first impressions of the game over there, aren't they?