RocketBoy

Nice piece

Ouch. Speedy recovery!

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Does he need one? Just take him off the commission list. It's really the best way to hurt someone. Through the wallet.

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If he makes views like that public, for me, yes he does need one.

That was a comment he made on his "other" account. As the Prof said, the image was "out there" but the racial comments were worse, imo. His DA page is pretty much the same except he uses comments like "apes" instead of the N word.

Thanks everyone for the kind words!

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Well.

Seems this 'artist' has put his foot in it now.

Someone commissioned him to do a picture, the type of which he is quite known for. Very NSFW, rather, ahem, out there. The type of stuff that makes people in Pocket D run away to their momma.

But he said, he'd not draw a black person in it, as he doesn't draw them. Instead... he PERSUADED the client to allow him to change to ANOTHER ethnicity that he has no issues drawing... and they still paid him for it.

There was no rationale offered as to why, and he is ... singularly unapologetic. I mean, if there's a reason, then I'd be happy to listen. But nope! "get moar butthurt." Juvenile.

And no, if I'd commissioned the guy and he refused to make one of the characters the ethnicity that I wanted? I'd have said, "Yanno what? I know a few artists who'd be HAPPY to draw this as I'm specifying it. I'mma give THEM the commission."


So, as of today, no more of THAT. This 'artist' is off the watchlist.

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Worse, his comment was "I don't draw N,,,,, I mean women of the black persuesion." Like I said, I always felt the guy was a strange duck but when someone makes views like that part of their pulic persona, I just ca't support that. I don't have any of his work faved anymore. Go read his journal, it's rife with his obessions with color and religion.

Great thread. I'm on my way out to dinner. I'll have to respond in detail when I get back. For now, I would say the Prof is on the right track. If someone is asking fine. If someone is posting their commission they are happy with. Why be a ******? If you have a burning issue with something, a gentile critique would probably be okay but I see no reason delve into serious critquing when no one is asking you.

Liking that Omega Brothers piece.

That's how I took it. I just have to find a workplace where anything goes....

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You're all totally sick for even thinking about doing adult things with your computer avatars. I mean, c'mon you know that people laugh at you for it right? What a waste of time and money. /jumproot

Srsly.

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I wonder if it's sick to think about my avatars doing adult things with other avatars....

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A completed Soul Train and a Roxstar (WIP)

Awesome!

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That's some awesome stuff right there. Lovin that Soul Train and for no color, that Roxstar piece is really nice.

I like those. NiYaDo has something going on which is cool to see. Always like Ebony-Chan's stuff.

Gratz on those!

I could sure use some help from anyone that can recommend a tutorial or tell me of a way to paint water drops and water splashes. I decided I would add a rain a effect to one of my renders and while I like it so far, I think it's really going to need the effect of small rain splashes from the rain hitting the ground and characters and water drops from rain that has already fallen to shine. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Nice piece. Like your style Wassy.

That's really good work there. May have to check em out.

Real nice piece of work there. Real nice. I love what you guys do with photoshop.

Grats on the piece. That's really awesome stuff.

Really nice.

Nice. Supergroup bar. Like the idea.

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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that MMO art saw both this thread and the satisfaction thread, and between the two, scrambled to get this reboot page up. The gallery isn't even up. I remember seeing the Synchotron piece before, and the WIP that they have up currently on the front page. Didn't they do this with the last reboot about a year ago as well? The promises for refunds and then no mailing after that?

I hope they get back on their feet this time :/ Here's hoping. *crosses fingers*

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Reboots and crashes.... The Gil Bates handle is really starting to fit....

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Yeah but I think at this point people just want their art or money back. The trials and tribulations stuff is fine for friends and people that want to support them, these are paying customers and they just need resolution. In fact, if they are serious about making it a go, less "oh the mountains we have climbed" type stuff and more action would help them tremendously.... jmo and I know it may not sit well with those here who like the guy....

[/ QUOTE ]I will fight you bare knuckled for talking crap about, Bill Gates!

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MMOART Deathmatch

Yeah but I think at this point people just want their art or money back. The trials and tribulations stuff is fine for friends and people that want to support them, these are paying customers and they just need resolution. In fact, if they are serious about making it a go, less "oh the mountains we have climbed" type stuff and more action would help them tremendously.... jmo and I know it may not sit well with those here who like the guy....

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I'm suddenly reminded of Chasing Amy and the classic "You're a tracer" scene....

I think before 3D came around, inkers caught this same kind of flack.

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Loved that movie.... but yeah, I remember that scene.

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/Battlewraith

Go Go Nadya!

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Lastly, I couldn't disagree more with your last part. Just like the 3D guy, your not sure if he's responsible for everything your seeing. His line work? His color? Stock photos used? Pre-made photo shop brushes? Just like the 3D guy, it depends on the artist and what tools he brings to the project.

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I don't mean every 2d guy. Based on the information I've been given about this particular case, with this particular artist.

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1 is a finished product being changed, the other is base items and or settings which by themselves are nothing being used to make two different images.

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Yeah it's the whole "base item which is nothing by itself" attitude which motivated me to bring 3d up. It really seems that a lot of 3d people view base items as simple raw material there for them to produce "art."

I've studied 3d modeling for years. The first head I did took me 2 weeks and was pretty crappy. Even now it takes me a few hours to sculpt something I'm satisfied with. When you buy someone's 3d asset, it's not nothing. You're buying their expertise and whatever aesthetic sensibility they bring to the table. How is it any different then me doing a quick thumbnail sketch and handing it off to a friend to draw and render the antatomy, and then doing some paint-over work when he hands it back to me? I'm comparing this to the guy that reuses his own art as an asset.

Also, who decides when something is finished? I would assume the artist unless its commercial work.

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I hear what your sayin. When I say nothing. that is not to discount the work or the value. The point is, it, in and of it's self is not an image. It is how it is used that makes the image. When I first started doing this, DJ made a point that has really stuck with me and that is the notion that just grabbing a bunch of 3D pieces and rendering is not really bringing anything to the table, it is just a start. I could use V4 and DJ could use V4 and it wouldn't be a contest.

One of the things I look at in 3D work is how well the piece is put together because in many cases, I know where the items have come from. Starting with little things like are people's feet on the floor or hands correctly gripping objects, are the poses realistic or awkward / lifeless, is there poke through, were the pieces simply imported or were new textures created. I then go on to things like composition, use of light, shading and so on. To finally looking at the work as a whole.

Without 3D modelers, there would be no 3D art so I'm not sure what else to call it but materials used by the end user to create art. The term "base" is not to devalue the work but to simply make the point that regardless of how much work went into it, the end user has to know what he's doing for it to really shine in HIS work.

My point in all this was that it seemed to me that you were looking at an after the fact deal for the 2D guy and comparing to a before the fact deal for the 3D guy. If they both have help beforehand, they should disclose that. If they take existing completed work and tweak it and call it fresh, they should disclose that. Especially is someone is paying for orignal work.

What's a finished work? Good question but I think if I do a paid commission and send that off to the commissioner as done. I would say going back and painting over parts of that and or changing some settings on the model (if it's 3D) and saying "hey, new image folks" would be the issue. For me anyway.

I would also say, there are different approaches to 3D. The modeler as the artist, where his work is the art. He makes the model, textures or paints it and renders. In those cases, I see those guys not building scenes so much as displaying their craft and talent as modelers. The other is guys like me, who would like to get into some modeling but really focus on the trying to produce a scene. To do that, I will not only rely on 3D but other mediums, 2D paint, stock photos etc. Any appreciation of my work, if any, would come from how well I put together my image. I also don't see them as mutually exclusive either but I do see how the two groups break out.

I don't devalue what modelers do at all. In fact, I'm quite envious.

Dark_Mystic is ok. I misread his post. He was looking for someway to get his work he received printed. Actually, if he received the file, he's doing better than most.