Rock_Powerfist

Dire halted her assault on the doors , and peered at the fallen Boy , she seem unfazed by his injuries ,but stopped to speak with him ..

“Kill who said anything about killing , someone has barred the door , someone does not want to let us in , someone is up to mischief in there , someone spoke to us , someone is going to get stopped ..but killed , no there is no need to kill , we can reduce them , then leave them to deal with life without power , killing is not the way ,Killing would leave them free to make more mischief , we know much better ways to deal with those someones …”


Stepping back a pace Dire looked again at the damaged door , and once more raised the long metallic wand , dark energies gathered at the head of the wand …


“ move please , there may be splinters ……”

The arm holding the wand waited a scant moment for the boy to move , then it swept down until the wand head was aimed at the door ..and then the energy was unleashed , striking hard at the door ……..

replying to Pious' post about GR and vigilantes ..

First it depends on how the Game sets it up will GR in Hero zones be attackable ? , personaly i think unlikely . This then leaves us where we are know , in fact we have a ongoing bad hero issue at GG . The options are to totally ignore them , assume they do not exsist , as the game offers no mechanics to deal with them . OR we treat them as our Toons would , arrest them , hunt them down ,or turn a blind eye . but this gets us backto the problem of in game concequences .. what can the players do IF the killer refuses to be locked up , there is no thing players can do .

CoH really seems to want to be a game of Heroes , not shades of grey .. many other games have a rep or faction system to shape players action ... so you would have PPD/longbow/FC/Vanguard faction ..do crimes they start attacking you , WW does not sell to you . ..
So it all left to players making up their own rules ..but with only the /ignore to deal with rule breakers .. not sure if there is a real answer ..

On the seeminly agreed basis that Heroes do not try / intent to kill , but arrest , and talking pre GR ..How does CoH make us play heroes ? ..there is no reputation or faction system as many games have ..and as GR is not required to play CoH ..there is no sign of one appearing .

So going back to the OP it is totally possible ..it is more a question of how would it be done
..there are already many superpowered organisations Longbow , vanguard , Psi and awakend PPD which clearly use deadly force ..all that is needed is a goverment backed reason for a new force .

Dire stopped before the closed doors , around her the dark swirls of protection seemed to entwine tight around her slender form . She stared hard at the door , her face hardened , the blood splats covering her body seem to freshen and weep .

From beyond the doors Dire felt a voice’s power as it made a threat ….

..........."I can feel your pain, whatever you are. Children, nurses, you will attack the next person to walk through that door!"...........


Dire’s features twisted , her mouth became a snarl bent slash , and from between her bared teeth fresh blood seeped .

From the drawn back lips a whisper came , yet it was powered by such magic that it was clear heard across the hospitals floors ..

“ we are all victims here , un-pitied , lost to the carnage that is the world …Pain is all we have ,all we are , ..but now we have taken it to our hearts .. we are pain ..there is no more fear …only us..”

Stepping back a pace Dire gathered in magic from the “that place” , raw unfocused it rose like a wave ..stepping forward she struck the doors with be empowered hands , a torrent of rapid blows , dark energies ripping at the fabric of the doors , cutting shards of crystallized power rending the doors to ruin ..

I dont think the CoH version US goverment would licence free agent heroes to kill .

They may well recruit hero into exsisting agencies of the goverment that have shoot to kill clearance ..like the NSA , CIA , Secret Service .

But even these are not meant to shoot on sight on US soil ..the rule of law still applies ..all death row inmates have a right of appeal .

There are however a few spin of issues ..we are at war with the Rikti , so different rules apply , are Monsters , giant or otherwise , ghosts , demons , robots , considered alive , and do they have the same rights as human(ish)s ..and what about clones .


However given the nature of most attack powers of heroes , and the NPC villians the poor grave diggers must be run of thier feet . OR the hospitals are like the tardis ..much much much bigger on the inside.

“hello” was Dire’s first reply to Jase ..followed by a hard stare from her , and then a “ no I never had one , ..Hmm more magic “

With a now distracted stance, Dire turned and floated into the hospital .

Ignoring the discussion occurring in the lobby she move slowly , casting her gaze around for a clue ..

“Down , it is always down ..” selecting the nearest downward stairs Dire descended ..

Dire stepped from the air to the ground , moving to the side of Acid ..

She gesticulated with the wand , demanding attention ..

“ ok you , what ever you are , Why ..and no sly answers ..Why !”

Her long torn coat swept the ground as she matched around Acid to get a clear view of the Congressman ...her bare feet making no sound.

Shaking the blood matted hair from her face , Dire peer hard at the Congressman ..

“who is this one ? And why are the Thorns hunting him ..”

now swinging the mace more like a 4 by 2 Dire slide a step back and glared at Acid ..

“well ?”

As everyone else left the still defocused Dire shook her head , and peered , as if short-sighted , around the bridge ..

kicking a downed Thorn minion she politely swore , ..and followed up with a sub vocal chant , her black eyes shinny as she spins on the spot , to face the direction the pendant had take the Congressman ...

“ no escape today , we are coming ...”

..as if with no effort Dire moved upwards and with gathering speed moved toward her target , not so much flying but more akin to sliding through the air ..

as she travelled she drew from the Nothingness a long wand , dark metal twisted and oddly curved , it glistened ..

“ if silly people want to play ..we will show them the broken rules ...”

with a spurt of speed she neared the pendants location , the dark magics of her shields trailing a long plume behind her ....

Her attempt to slowly land beside the ruined car was cut short by the pendants machinations ...

Great arc’s of power tore from Dire’s body as the pendant sort magical energies ..

For half an instant her whole existence seemed to fade out , the dark swirling shields around her failed and fled , and she dropped like a stone , ragdolling off the car's roof , landing in a heap at the feet of the Others there.

Deep, deep in the thoughts that held her together minds worked arcane will , and more magic flowed into Dire lament .

With a soul shattering cry of pain she arose , her body did not seem to bend in the way bones would allow , more liquid like she became erect ..

The shinny black eyes stared large at those gathered beings on the bridge , the arc’s where cut off as the swirling darkness once more cloaked her form .

“ not this time , we have become learned in the ways of power ..” her voice was a broken , cracked hiss , the tone rising and falling beyond the metre of speech ..

“ who does this .. who ! “

Once more crystal spines start to grow from her flesh , each pulsing with magic , and each dripping a fluid of arcane venoms …

Held in midair by strands of magic , the gaze of Dire Lament swept the bridge , her head snapping around bird like , where ever she spotted a servent of the Thorn , she struck ..hate given form by magic tore at the Circle minions .

Around her plused a deadly cloud , and slashing shards ripped at her foes ...

..only when the last of the Thorns lay inert was her attention given to the others upon the bridge ...

The swirling deepened and gathered around the slender figure , raw magic both guarding and reaching out to bring harm . The eyes flicked towards the demons , as magical chants raced from the lips , and the whole body errupts in a mass ok razor edged shards of crystalised magic .Each shard a hooked blade of hate , dripping with arcane venom . And as the shard took form the woman flew straight at the awaiting demons .

(( translation ..Dark armour toggles on plus death shroud , then build up , Spines ..then fly to be followed by spine burst and general spine combat ))

Charging up into the mass of demons the woman unleashed the shards in a explosive wave , crying out in a beastial roar ....there was no skill just simple a reckless rampaging assult on the demons

((for ref this is Dire Lament , see listing in uionverse hand book ))

The hot air from the burning vehical pushes the black smoke away to disclose the ragged figure advancing along the bridge's road way . The painful thin female , swamped by the overlarge torn and shreded trench coat , lookes as if she had been at the center of the blast that had hit the convoy. Rent clothing and flesh appears covered in fresh blood splats , her shoulder lenght black hair is half red stained . She seems to stagger forward , hands reaching out as if she can not clealrly see her path ..it is only as she nears the VIP's car that others can spot that her unshoed feet are about a foot above the bridge's surface , and that the black swirls around her are not smoke ..and now she is near enough to see her eyes , shinny black bottemless pits .

From he blooded lips comes a mumbling of strange magical phrases, harsh and and broken the voice drones out .

The head snaps up and the face turns apon the attackers of the convoy ..

"no more ..i am here to take back what is mine .."

the Clones that have appeared in the RP i hvae been involded with have ducked the legal status issue by all being heroes , and thus have special statues operating as registared heroes , much like any alien , or inter dimesional being ..ie they are covered by laws dealing with heroes ..

Further some of the clones have been able to claim lack of free will , they are programed , thus having a legal out ...much like a robot .

Overall i would come down to the legal status of cloning ..if legel clones would have the same rights and restraints as every one else , legal age being a trait of the cloning process .
If cloning is not legal , then the clones could be considered poroduct , a biological machine ..a bio-bot ..and be covered by the same rules as robots .

Given that we are more likely talking about fast grown clones , so they appear adult , there is the question of how you detect/prove that they are a clone ..and define how the cloning process works ..as this would go much of the wat as to defining what the clone is , and hence shape its legal status.

i have this problem with many of my Villi concepts , i do not like the shades grey villian , the misunderstood , the "im not really bad types ". My villis are just that criminal and nasty as a minimum .

As to how to avoid P'ing off the other RPers , i try to find a outer layer that allows them to interact with others ..for example my Thugs/poison MM , his a drug taking , gun loving , leg breaking , full on gangster, who makes GTA types look tree hugging peaceniks . However ..he is RPed as a Thug for hire , so he has personal marketing skills that allow him to talk to clients and obtain jobs ...and he knows the value of respect .

I find the trick is marrying a acceptable public face with the bad inside works , but its not always possible , My widow toon is unrelentingly bad ..so only gets to RP with a select few that that persona works with ..It comes down to how far you can adapt your concept .. one rule i try to use is to work out how they lived so long being so disliked , and what route they took growing up to mitigate the hate ...unless you RP your toon is already a lvl50 brute from day 1.

Saying all that often toons which i see as fine, sometimes just done work , getting off on the wrong foot with other characters can make the toon totally disliked even with out having a mass of horrid traits ..

hmm if the Brits are limited to cockney ..which is an area defined by the sound of a set of church bells ...can we make all USAians speak/type in Valley girl ?..

Agrees with Cowmans three labels for RP , simlpe and clear , and deals with the issues ...

ok enough trying to herd cats

let us all agree that there are many ways to RP , and let us hang out clear signs as to what sort we are posting .as surgessted... if that doesnt work we can review and make changes ..

clarity of what one is doing helps understanding ... and agreement ..

and lets have lots of all the types of RP ..so we can have some fun...

on the Union server i can think of many examples of Characters being stuck on hold and not in active play as they are waiting the out come of Forum RP , the link between the two is that strong , also the forum RP will be the basis for in game RP social chatter , with debate , and forming part of the Forum Rp .

I can also recall long heated debates in game about how much you can add to you Toon in forum RP, for example super hearing , or tracking by smell , how powerful you toon really is even though its a level 3 RP bot .

Given these levels of difference it appears the phrase "forum RP " does not mean the same on either side of the pond , maybe we should look to find a clear labeling system to avoid confusion.

Dont for get the PG13 rating ..which means Ni is going to be very limited

when you respec any weapon customizations you have gained while exp ing resets to say that you have gained the option . so you get the messages just as if you had just killed your 333 red cap ..

there is a post on Massively.com about CoX and customization ..says nothing new saddly .

horses! i just want to see a bus use one of the vast number of bus stops across the city .

i cant find this offending picture , but isnt the "incorrect" way up a sign of surrender ??

Happy happy joy joy ..../dance

Blood Ghoul , entered his chamber and a flurry of servants dealt with his immediate needs , having followed Edwards instructions , Blood Ghoul had left Peregrine , and was now back in the Islands .

Calling to him one of this Majicak minions Blood Ghoul enquired ,

“ So my loot , detail ,details ....”

“oh Masterful Liege , we have scryed and warded the items and they are clean and untraceable , however they are technological , and so we have passed them on to Mister Simon to look into .”

“well , well get Simon X here , I want to see what treasures I risked so much for , “ a burst of unrestrained giggling escapes Blood Ghouls maw.

With in a handful of minutes a cyborg figure entered the Chamber ...

“ Yes , oh Masterful Liege , I have answers for you . They are devices of the most supreme fashioning , a collection of equipment design to protect one from damage while engaging in close quarters combat , with built in stealth , perception enhancement and flight capability . All light weight and concealable , a ultrafabric suit , helmet , boots and a shield . Most divine manufacture , such cunning and arti...”

“Good , good “ interrupted Blood Ghoul , preventing one of Simon X's techno -babble speeches .

“hmmm this would be most useful for when I wish to retain human guise , and would avoid making a large magic signature ...it has been a while but I used to be quite good with a Mace ..summon my crafters I feel creative ...”

“ now , a quick call to Edward , to see what he is planning next ..”

(( Mech question ..can we pick what loot we gathered or do you need to say what it was for plotage ?))