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Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja

True, we will likely never perceive the game in the same way. Everyone has their own opinion on how the game feels for them.


Also not being confrontational:

But a couple of your statements don't add up for me...







You are a returning player, that either PL'd or 'ground' your way past more than half the content in the game, and have already twinked out your character with an infusion of 1 billion inf.

I understand that some players like to play at max level, blow through the lower levels as quickly as they can. (I think we heard from some of them when they went through Praetoria... "This **** is nuts!" "These mobs are too hard!" "WTF!" Granted the ambushes get a bit mind-numbing sometimes.)

Likely what you are looking for is the I19 Incarnate content, much of it is for "end-game" players. Definitely check out the info page on it up in Announcements.

And Welcome back to the game.

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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge

Superman isn't opposed to fighting petty thugs. Really, if you want impressive numbers to battle against, using Superman is a bad example for epic, omg! fights. Just about everything cons grey to him.

When did Supes start flying? At first, he was only able to jump real far.

Did Spidey start his career fighting Venom and the like, or did he work his way up to it?

It is not out of context for a character to evolve as they go along, the precedent is in the comics themselves. I think your expectations may be a little unreasonable, considering the game actually has addressed many of your concerns.

As for in game traveling, when do players in WOW get mounts these days?

Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint

you didn't read the post did you? she said half a dozen (6) or so at lv 3. the devs are not going to change the game just to suit your idea of what super should feel like. if you find that 2 minions and 1 lt. aren't enough for you then by all means, go to a field trainer and up your diff. either change the lv you fight at and make those few npc's tougher or change the number of heroes you are equal to higher so you fight more of them.

Originally Posted by SwellGuy

But not every character can do that at level 3.

Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja

I don't know, my level 3 character feels pretty heroic when taking on half a dozen even-con foes in a single mob, often with at least one Lt in there.

Originally Posted by SwellGuy

Are you looking forward to inherent fitness with I19? I know I am because not sucking wind as much in the first 20 levels and quicker movement from swift is going to be great.

Originally Posted by crayhal

So, let's assume players can get Superman type powers. If a toon was like Superman or Capt Marvel, then you'd be more or less godlike and can pretty much defeat anything that's not kryptonite. 1 minute smash, bam, boom. Everything dead. Rinse and repeat. Where's the challenge?

IMHO, the game tries to simulate low to mid-level super types such as Batman, Wolverine and those wacky supers from Mystery Men. They're not gods and can be overwelmed by sheer numbers or powerful weapons. You develop your super toon from scratch and try to overcome anything thrown at you with your wits and powers.

If you have any ideas about how you could be more super, I suggest posting in the Developer's forum and maybe, just maybe, the devs can accomodate your ideas.

Originally Posted by Justaris

I'm just not sure what it is you're asking for when you you want to be "more like a superhero'. Maybe that's because I already feel like one and have enjoyed this game without interruption since its release. To address the specifics you did bring up:

Fly being slow. First off, Fly has been sped up a couple of times, but for the sake of argument we'll deal with the fact that Flight at cap speed is still slower than other alternatives. There are two main reasons for this commonly given.

The first is that Fly's relative slowness is really its only drawback. It has full 360 motion and allows you to park whereever you like in that space (unlike TP or SJ). If Fly were as fast/faster than the other alternatives, it would fast become the only choice (i.e. other travels would be viewed as "gimp" by comparision.

The second reason often given is that flying at very fast speeds can be very graphically demanding as the game is having to render things all around you very quickly. While it seems likely that with the advent of Ultra Mode some of the technical limitation are falling away, there is probably still a point at which making Fly faster just isn't feasible.

Death Knight / comparison to WoW. Obviously, this isn't WoW, and comparisons between the two games don't really completely hold up, nor is it necessarily a good idea to make this game more like WoW. Starting someone most of the way through the leveling cycle makes sense in a game that revolves around an ever-increasing level cap and end-game level raids. If the game starts at the cap, getting to the cap faster makes sense as an epic reward.

That just isn't the case here, and skipping the early game in this paradigm would be a disaster for a number of reasons - not least of which being depopulation of the lower-level areas. In a game that's already heavily instanced, giving the false apperence of emptiness at times, this is not a good move.

Furthermore, since this game has always been designed primarily around alts and replay rather than around endgame, rushing just doesn't make all that much sense.

As for travel powers at 14, that's been addressed in a variety of ways and for most people is probably a nonissue now. Level 5+ characters can get rocket packs from Safeguard/Mayhem missions. Players of any level can buy jetpacks from vendors in the Shard and in Grandville. There are jetpacks granted by dayjobs. There are jetpacks craftable with Inventions. There are holday jetpacks. There are epic ATs (PBs and WSs) who start the game with travel at level 1. We've got a lot of travel goin' on.


I'm not trying to be confrontational here; I'd much rather have a conversation about this as I'm intersted in just what it is you want in order to 'feel super' or how precisely you feel the game needs to evolve. What I've seen thus far in GR suggests we're already doing some significant evolution, but pehraps it's not the direction you would wish.

Originally Posted by SwellGuy

Inventions go a long way toward helping but I do have to ask about the travel power at level 14 issue.

Do you get your raptor pack at level 5/6 from the safeguard/mayhem mission and then the zero-g pack at 10/11 from the next safeguard/mayhem mission? Sure it's not the same as your own travel power but they do the job of getting you from place to place.

Once I am in the mid-upper 30s most of my characters feel awfully super and take on packs of enemies with varying degrees of effort but I do plan their builds and get the IOs I need to get the job done.

Even with SOs and common IOs they can mow down some fairly tough enemies.

Originally Posted by Justaris

The trouble with this, of course, is that at the end of the day this is a game. While, as noted above, we do have powerful and versatile characters compared to many MMOs out there, there's only so far that can go. In many cases, when players say "I wanna feel super' what they mean is "I want to be ridiculously overpowered", and game developers cannot allow that. A game that you cannot lose quickly becomes a pointless game and a boring one.

Now, I do recognize that many players of this game are fans of comic books and the superhero mythos in general and they want to feel closer to that when they play their characters. I get that, I'm not saying that everyone with this complaint is looking to be grossly overpowered - but I do think that people need to consider that this an MMO and not a single-player comic book simulator, and to take into account what that really means.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

I've never gotten statements like this. Spending some time over in Aion (not to mention stints in Tabula Rasa, etc.) only make me wonder about it even more - there, a 1v1 fight can be an event, 1v2 you'd better have a good build, and you need the "holy trinity" for far too many things... hope you have your "healer."

Here, I can get a good size mob around me and wipe them out in moments - and no, not grey. Or wipe them out from a pretty good distance, turn them all into statues, turn them into harmless kittens, etc. Not one, but large mobs.

If anything, I end up feeling *more* powerful here than I do elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Jake_Summers

Play the Barracuda Strike Force...you'll get your wish.

Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze

outdated....
most of those are

Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn

Well, when you get down to only a few mobs left, they will show up on your map. Glowies produce a noticeable "whoom-whoom" sound if you get close to them, so pay attention for that as you're going through the mission.


There is no way to move characters between accounts, since that would open up a huge hole for gold farmers to just start making people level 50 characters, and then sell them.

Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn

Well, when you get down to only a few mobs left, they will show up on your map. Glowies produce a noticeable "whoom-whoom" sound if you get close to them, so pay attention for that as you're going through the mission.

Originally Posted by Lady Arete

Don't think there is any way to transfer that stuff to another account, but do ask Support about that.

There is a little map feature now that helps you find that last enemy or mission object. Usually a red or white arrow.
Some of the maps are... as you say, but I think there is a change coming to them (I could be wrong). For me though, I've done the maps alot so when the team comes to the big room with several floors.... ok, lets start at the top and move down. (or start from bottom to top).

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