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just to play devil's advocate and gripe my personal gripe
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give em hide, placate. AS, snipes caltrops, and teleport.
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Tech:
Mitsurugi has a stance and a few attacks with his sword sheathed and Setsuka uses the style with a short sword concealed in an umbrella.
RE: Iajutsu. I love me some Iajutsu, but I'm going to have to agree that I'm pretty much good on sword melee sets. -
That's very likely just one aura.
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Edit: actually I'll Just go ahead and chime in with Dante. I like the Praetorian content, I hate the well.
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.Quote:Or to put it in more concrete terms. Too golden age makes this game Batman the Brave and the Bold(the cartoon). A fun, awesome cartoon, but not necessarily something that's open to EVERY type of SUPER-HERO. This game has an edge over the competition(for me) because of it's similarities to Justice league(the cartoon).Originally Posted by Xanatos
Thing is - the disconnect you feel for golden age costumes might be the very same thing that appeals to the people asking for them. To use anime as an allegory: I dislike anime due to certain visual elements it has, which are probably the very thing that drives most of its fans to love it.
Not only that, but them filling in the gaps for things that are more quintessentially super-heroic such as masks and cowls, will, in combination with what we have, easily lend itself to superheroes of any type. Pushing too much for golden age in particular can often leave out some essential Super-hero aspects, as well as the Silver-age.Focusing too much on Silver age would leave out the Golden age as well as some essential costume aspects. Working on masks, cowls, capes, and some on tights, essential aspects of super-hero design, serves both better, serves everyone else better, and speaking selfishly, Serves ME better.
Much of "Golden Age" super hero design is just pulp costuming with a mask like The Shadow and Green Hornet, or Painted-on Circus tights like The Phantom & Superman, none of these characters in their original design is impossible in the current engine. Silver-Age costuming is more about taking the latter, and exploring patterning more. Or, taking some manner of mind-altering drugs and trying to create "Fantasy Armor" like Jack Kirby did. That's two opposing directions, but we can still do that currently in-game.
Focusing more on the things the two have in common, Masks, cowls, tights to a lesser extent. Is better than focusing on just one. Especially since we have those extremes(in various levels of perceived quality) already. -
Quote:The effect the Ignore button has is interesting. In a direct way I don't have to read GG's posts and that's good. But people keep quoting her which just kills my attempts to quell my rage.
Although it is always funny to see who hasn’t got certain people on ignore yet. 
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Quote:Certainly, tastes differ, to be sure. There's few things here.Originally Posted by Xanatos
Thing is - the disconnect you feel for golden age costumes might be the very same thing that appeals to the people asking for them. To use anime as an allegory: I dislike anime due to certain visual elements it has, which are probably the very thing that drives most of its fans to love it.
1: I'm AGREEING with you on what needs to be put in. We just differ on why. This is a common thing between us.
2: I feel the disconnect for new stuff, older things get grandfathered in, but a "New" never before seen character dressing like that would be met with either laughs or me turning on my "Well let's see how good this character parodies/homages the past" mindset. -
Quote:I also said Homage, which probably got lost in my wording.Originally Posted by Fire_Wyrm
I apologize, wasn't reading Xan's post and just assumed you were disagreeing.
That being said though, I find your idea that spandex and tights are only useful for parodies and homages to be a little silly. I definitely have my fair sure of characters that use the basic spandex look with extras added on, but sometimes I want to go for a classic tights look a la Superman or the Flash. To say those looks are only useful for joke characters is pretty narrow-minded, IMHO.
My point was more if the character isn't coming from something else of the past, AKA the intended response is "Oh I get what you're doing there, like X other thing!" then it has to stand on it' own, which the classical looks don't do by virtue of trying to be classical. Thusly they get all the context and connotation filled out by an outside source, often to the point of overshadowing. They're not judged on their individual merits(style wise, not character wise), but by how well they adhere to x conventions.
Some of the older styles look goofy but I go with them because they set the standard. It's goofy, but it's a goofy world, and I like to have fun. If I'm trying to emulate that, I'll follow suit. I wouldn't do anything I'd consider wholly original in that style, though. I'd pursue my own. And if I were to observe someone else's work or character in that style, I'd have t judge them less on their individual merits and more on whether or not it "fits" which I find very limiting and narrow-minded because it restricts creation to a narrow avenue. -
Quote:sure, right hereOriginally Posted by Fire_Wyrm
Well, you just came in here and basically said "I dislike Golden/Silver Age costumes, they look silly!" I was just wondering if there was anything more to your post than "I don't like this stuff, so you should give us this stuff instead."
In particular to the post that said that exact thing.Quote:Originally Posted by Premonitions
I'll be honest and say I find the Golden and Silver-age costume styles tend to look goofy as all hell to me. As I said before if you ask for spandex and tights I'm going to disagree because, well, those are nice for parodies and homages, but It can wear a bit thin on characters who are actual characters versus characters who are just one long in-joke. Which is probably where my disconnect came from. There is lots of "grandfathering" going on in modern comics that lets me turn a blind eye there, but if, say Superman were presented to me as a completely original and new concept today I'd very likely laugh. But more " Super hero Costume" minded things is good. I do like the new approach taken of a textured underlayer with bits added on.
So I was agreeing with what was being said in this quoted bit and stating why.Quote:Originally Posted by Xanatos
Agreed. Although, like I said before, the demand isn't for silver or golden age costumes. While those things are more than welcome, the demand is for more superheroic costumes in general.
To me that suggests Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age, Platinum Age. In addition to the core fundamentals to all ages that this game still doesn't get right.
I went over all this in my last post.
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Quote:Better superhero costumes?Originally Posted by Fire_Wyrm
Except this game was designed with Golden/Silver Age heroes in mind, and this thread is about Golden/Silver Age costumes. So what did you expect to happen when you posted this?
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Quote:I'll be honest and say I find the Golden and Silver-age costume styles tend to look goofy as all hell to me. As I said before if you ask for spandex and tights I'm going to disagree because, well, those are nice for parodies and homages, but It can wear a bit thin on characters who are actual characters versus characters who are just one long in-joke. Which is probably where my disconnect came from. There is lots of "grandfathering" going on in modern comics that lets me turn a blind eye there, but if, say Superman were presented to me as a completely original and new concept today I'd very likely laugh. But more " Super hero Costume" minded things is good. I do like the new approach taken of a textured underlayer with bits added on.Originally Posted by Xanatos
Agreed. Although, like I said before, the demand isn't for silver or golden age costumes. While those things are more than welcome, the demand is for more superheroic costumes in general.
To me that suggests Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age, Platinum Age. In addition to the core fundamentals to all ages that this game still doesn't get right.
I went over all this in my last post. -
Things I'd like to see in general is more textures(but NOT pre-tinting!) The Defense set is awesome about this.. pretty much NONE of my characters wear spandex or body paint, but many of them will wear tight clothes options.
As for your options? A and C are definitely the way to go. Doing both will more than likely create the sweet spot between A and B as well.
Think tight but not tights
Interestingly enough, I notice this most when making non-Golden Age and Silver-age inspired costumes
Compare these two
with daredevil per usual
One is a guy in a tight outfit, the other is a dude in his underwear with body paint on .
So here are some suggestions of mine
Pattern belts:
One thing I'd really like is the ability to forgo a belt in favor of a pattern or texture over the waist, I have a few characters who wear leather jumpsuit type outfits like daredevil above. Not having a belt irks on an aesthetic level because it creates too singular of a body hape when broken down into it's most simple, but on the other hand having a belt breaks the connection and ruins the "Single piece" aspect.
Further, not having a belt can often betray the seams between two different, but similar textures. Having a "pattern" or "texture" type of belt, with a few thematic variations, would be great.
Examples:
Domino Masks: A classic type of mask We have patterns for these, but patterns are, in my opinion, inferior to ACTUAL clothes options that have physical dimension. You should definitely kill two birds with one stone let the physical dimension domino masks have the whited-out eyes(though there should be a whited-out eye face option as well)
Either way these should come in multiple options including normal round, Pointed, X, Center symbol(I.e. a domino mask with some kind of shape in the middle)
Cowls: Masks that are integrated into either the rest of the costume, the cape, or the shoulders. Basically any mask that also covers the neck as well as whatever part of the face it is designed to cover. "Whatever part of the face" is important, cowls that only cover the top or bottom part of the head would be too limiting, some that do the top, the bottom, both and things in the middle would be ideal, several options for cowls, basically.
Like everything else I am suggesting, this should be done as an actual piece of clothing of some type of material, and not just painting on the body.This is very likely going to require a new type of head so I'd suggest going with a modified version of "standard" so too many options aren't locked out when selecting this rig. if not a new head rig altogether, I might Suggest "cowl" as a shoulder/neck option that can be combined with several "Full head" mask options.
Making modular costume pieces is always great.
Examples:
take this, cut the face part into sections, eyes, head, mouth, combine them in parts like lego
Face-Plate masks: Why should Statesman have the only mask like this? Some of the best-looking masks I've seen are specifically seperate from the rest of the costume. You've got your outfit THEN you've got your mask. Masks that look like something solid and leave the hair, ears, and head uncovered. Options of several masks like this, with and without straps behind the head, are much appreciated Start with something like this:
Then start going crazy
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this is roughly as "accidental" as the Staff fighting video and every other "Viral" thing that's been done thus far.
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I think the best part of this set is
1: how it pretty much covers everything I'd want in any "animal" related set, wolves, big cats, bugs and birds, in one set.
2: If I'm reading the blurb right it might not only make MM attacks relevant, in terms of direct usefulness as attacks, it might also make them relevant in terms of general masterminding
Ideas:
Are the swarms and Hawks going to be effects or what? because I I can "summon" my hawk to fly around me without always attacking, I'd like that.
I agree tier three should be a different animal, alternatively tier 1 would be three c medium-sized big-cats, Cheetahs, Puma, Snow Leapords OR three coyotes OR attack dogs, Suggestion: German Sheppard, Pitbull and Rottweiler(Please be a rottweiler in the mix please please), tier 2 would be two lions OR two wolves, tier three would be a Dire wolf OR a Siberian Tiger. -
Well I'm glad they put some decent pants and shirts in. The rest is okay but I don't really care much about them one way or the other. What option will the shirts be available under? It would probably look good on a "Recently De-Hulked" type character if it came with the "Tattered" Sleevless jackets option
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Quote:Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
Yeah; my first thought was "Looks like my Contaminated Man has a new costume part!" He already has the Clunker aura that lets him drip purple stuff all over...
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Quote:You are just the most amusing person I've ever seen on these forumsOriginally Posted by Wing_Leader
Semi-literacy has been the cornerstone of "new hipness" in America since the George W. era of anti-intellectualism. The fact that it is the de facto standard for online communication means the 99% have, in fact, won the culture wars.
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Quote:All this other Stuff aside I'd really like to give at least one of my female characters abs so if you could send me the info on how you did that I'd appreciate it.Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
That's precisely my point. We've gotten improved versions of everything but the basic skin model. Think about it for a moment - look at how cool and detailed bits like the IDF and Celestial sets are. Isn't it time we looked this good when we take off the armour, too? I mean, surely our own bodies can use this level of detailing, too.
For the most direct example, look at ExoProto/Stealth/Zombie feet. They look like feet, not shoes painted to look like feet. The Zombie feet even come with a barefoot texture. Making better-looking bare feet out of them seems like a low-hanging fruit.
For a less direct example, look at what I did by swapping textures around. Giving us a more detailed texture which makes use of the new-tech shaders seems like a low-hanging fruit.
Once upon a time, David Nakayama offered to work on "updating" all of the ugly legacy pieces, by which he inferred that the old ones would disappear and new ones would replace them. While I was against removing the old pieces, I still want to see updated versions of them, even if I have to pay for them. The sad truth is that no matter what you add to the game, as long as the basic human model is seen as "sufficient," the heart of the matter - at least in my opinion - will never be addressed.
In the very simplest of terms, we're about due for a "human physique" Booster Pack or Costume Pack or whatever we're calling them these days. -
The Rikti aren't really aliens, though.
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the cost of hubris.
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He's just mad that Casey Jones would beat his incarnates. With his hockey stick.
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Quote:1: It's a common thing to not consider yourself something the world at large considers you to be, which brings me to another pointOriginally Posted by Johnny_Butane
The episodes with the Turtle Titan and Silver Sentry, and the episode that had the alternate dimension with the turtles in costumes with powers, were about taking Michelangelo out of the typical milieu the Turtles operated in and dropping him into one of comic book super heroes. That kind of proves the point that the Turtles aren't superheroes in the traditional sense.
If the turtles were superheroes, the "super hero" alternate dimension of them would have been exactly the same as their regular dimension, would it not? I mean, you can't put a super heroic twist on them if they're already superheroes, can you.
The differences that exist are what makes the Turtles one thing (you can to call it sci-fi, urban fantasy or whatever) and superhero fiction another. The episodes were to written to contrast what the Turtles were normally (if you want to call them Urban Fantasy or whatever) with more traditional super hero tropes.
In fact, if you go way back to the original animated series, you have Michelangelo obsessing over Bug Man, a hero he read about in comics, who turned out to be real. The other turtles dismissed his claims stating how outlandish the idea of superheros were and how they couldn't possibly really exist.
So, not even the turtles themselves think of themselves as superheroes.
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2: The turtles exist in a universe with superheroes as a major factor, I.E. a super-hero universe. Even if werecognize the ninja turtles themselves as not being super-heroes, they clearly live in a super-hero universe.
3: Those episodes were, ACTUALLY about how the turtles, as themselves fit into the super-hero mold more than if they put on tights. The entire Turtle Titan bit was about how Michelangelo(and by extension his brothers) made better super-heroes as who they were than by attempting to present as more "Traditional" superheroes.
4: Your point fails to acknowledge the numerous other times that they teamed with the Superheroes of their world, to the point of them being major recurring characters.
5: Casey Mother Friggin Jones.
That explains so muchQuote:Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
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Quote:Oh Jeez nobody tell him! It'd shatter his little world!Originally Posted by Wing_Leader
TMNT isn't what I would call a superhero universe, no. Urban fantasy at best.
I'm sorry to say, Mama's wroooong again!Quote:Neither Robin nor Batgirl routinely fight with sticks (they just punch and kick a lot). Nice try though. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Scythus
lol wut? Aliens, mutants, costumed villains, and robots and featured in a comic and he isn't part of a "superhero universe?"
War Mace is the best kind of Street Justice.