Paladiamors
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Quote:Nightshade? At what point, in this thread, have I ever mentioned you? And how many times have I actually said that it is NOT the subs that got it canceled?Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
I should be nice and back out of this thread, but I just had an amusing thought...
Paladiamors, your join date is Jul 2011. Even if you've been subbed non-stop since that time I've spent more money, overall, on sub fees for this game than you have. So has A_C, I'd imagine. I recall seeing him around the forums quite a lot back in the day.
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Quote:I'm sorry, are your reading skills failing you? Because I have said REPEATEDLY that this is not the reason that the game was axed. Learn to read like the big boys, and THEN you can post with everyone else, kay? Good.Originally Posted by BenRGamer
Yes, because if this ONE PERSON could have paid the sub fee the game would have been perfect, Bio Armor would have been out last week and they'd have announced the Sports Car travel power.
Why don't you get over yourself. The game's going down and it's not anyone's fault. So quit blaming people and bringing these forums down with whining. -
Yer gonna miss this, ain'tcha?
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Quote:I actually don't blame any of the players, paying or not. I've said that repeatedly. But if you weren't supporting it, then you WEREN'T SUPPORTING IT. Thats not rocket science. I don't really get why people are getting so upset about it. If you can't afford it, you can't afford it, and thats not a big deal.Originally Posted by Lonelyshade
Enough blaim games , people should pay what they can afford .
That was the deal and will be the deal with F2P .
People have to see F2P as donations , simply put that is all to it .
You know game has ended , bot F2P and SUB suffers the same , all time investment and money investment gone down the drain ..
Friends will be lost , contacts will fade overtime , and worst off all the wonderfull TEAM of people who all made it possible for us to have FUN , will be no more and having to look for new jobs .
Sorry this stunt wasn't about money !
This stunt was a bad tought out decision in business sense .
No matter the justification , Paragon Studios kept and steadily increased there income profit.
It was just not fast enough for the greedy sharks , who make big mistakes .
Wanting the FAT big MONEY nexon is making .
Honestly in due time maybe CoH was going to be there with there coffee talk .
Was just convincing people to pay when they have fun, and stop moaning about money.
You drink how many beers a week ? smoke how much ciggarettes ?
Pay for how many cocktails or dinners , MMO has become something like that .
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Quote:My god, you get more and more full of yourself, and more and more loaded with absolute crap. Do us all a favor and just shut up already.Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen
They're not engineering students, I'll tell you that.
You would live on one packet of Ramen noodles per day? Freakin' stupid people.
Also, I'm type-1 diabetic, I have dietary needs that can't be met by a Ramen-a-day diet. Admittedly, no human being on Earth could survive on one Ramen per day, so I think you're being pretty damn disingenuous for the purpose of argumentation.
On the plus side, if indeed I and others like me "killed the game", I'll at least be depriving you of your source of enjoyment. Judging from your posts, that seems like a pretty worthy goal in and of itself. -
Quote:How about not making excuses for not supporting the game? Thats all you are doing, even when I have said, repeatedly, that I doubt thats the reason. Get over yourself kid, and grow up.Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen
How would you know whether I'm "supporting" it or not? For all you know, in my absence, I'd turned several people onto the game and increased its playerbase, thus earning them more money than by simply subscribing. Don't tell me what I did and did not do like some sanctimonious shaming session. The game died for a lot of reasons, but it was not from a fickle fan base. Even having this conversation implies that accusation, so how about shutting up?
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Quote:Hi. I never said anything about not loving the game. Just said you weren't SUPPORTING it. Financially. And I am not blaming anyone, to be honest. I don't think this had anything to do with money. Just the need to make this quarter not look so rough.Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen
Hi. Some of us have other responsibilities than paying for a game that they're not currently playing. Like, say, eating. Doesn't cheapen the love, it's just called reality.
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Quote:Thats my guess. It looks good in the short term "We shaved off 4 million by getting rid of Paragon!" but bites them in the long term when they no longer have the profit Paragon was making. Course its not a huge loss in the long term, so I guess they are expecting GW2 to pick up the slack.Originally Posted by seebs
I think the question is whether any such talks would even be at a level where they'd know. Although it seems like they ought to know, so I guess that theory fails.
I am sort of partial to the "big investors pressure ncsoft to Do Something, ncsoft does the most dramatic/smallest-economic-change thing on offer, even though it actually makes things worse" theory. -
Quote:Except he IS right. Not entirely, mind you, but if you weren't paying in some way then you weren't supporting the game.Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
He's not right. The way the genre works these days, no MMO that relied on retaining all of its players all of the time would survive past the first 6 months. People come and go - especially in games with F2P models, and that is, or should be, taken into account by the companies that run these games.
@FFM, you're pissed off and looking for someone to blame, but insinuating that those players who took breaks from the game are partly to blame for this is wrong headed and downright low, and stinks of the kind of "thou shalt have no other game but me" fundamentalism that is one of the worst things about MMO communities.
That being said, this decsion wasn't about money. City of Heroes was still profitable, even if it wasn't the MOST profitable. The excuse even SAID as much, that City of Heroes just didn't fit into their view of restructuring. Chances are it could have been doing as well as Aion and it may have still gotten the axe. -
Quote:Heh, finish my novel and work on getting it published.Originally Posted by Shagster
Probably get a lot more writing done.
But really, this isn't the only MMO I play. It was just the most fun. -
Quote:While you may be right, I think its better to try then it is to just sit around and do nothing. Worst case scenario, it ends up closed and gone for good. But there is always the possibility, no matter how faint, of getting some form of stay of execution.Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen
Debbie Downer time: I'm sure all communities in all games over the years have wailed and gnashed their teeth against imminent shutdown. It rarely works. In fact, I can't think of an instance where it did.
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Quote:Yeah, I know. They may have a perfectly good reason for what they did. But even IF they did, the sudden canning of Paragon like that is not okay in my book. But at LEAST they let the servers stay on for three more months, I suppose.Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
It would be freeing up "$4 million" to use somewhere else (as opposed to the "$1 million" of profit), somewhere that they consider they could get a higher return on investment, or to handle the $6 million loss they suffered last quarter. It's freeing up resources.
We don't know what their actual motivation was, so we can't actually say whether it was a good decision or not (hell, it may have been the best of a bunch of bad options for all we know).
Still and all, I don't feel good about this. In any way, shape, form, or fashion. It's just a bum deal for everyone involved below the suits. -
Quote:Don't you already?Originally Posted by Black Pebble
AMG!!!!! YOU WERE BLAZING TIGER?!!?
Oh wait, I knew that.....
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MASTERMINDS. What drew me into the game in the first place, my own private army. Mercs in particular itched a scratch that I couldn't manage in previous MMO's. So perfect. *Sighs*
Uniqueness overall. Some really fun concepts in powersets here, and the ability to mix and match, as well as customize was extremely welcome.
The community. Most of the people here are just great all around. This I will miss just about most of all, since its so hard to find anymore.
KNOCKBACK. No, don't laugh. I am serious. Being able to knock my enemies for a loop has amused me for hours on end, especially if I can manage it from high places.
The studio. Paragon. These guys are a class act. After dealing with some real jerkholes over at Blizzard, it was such a welcome breath of fresh air. -
Quote:You may be right. Either way, NC soft will never be seeing another dollar of my money. It's just if you ARE right, they've also earned my lifelong hatred and desire to see them burn.Originally Posted by that_darn_lurker
I probably goes without saying that NCSoft is going to have a great 3rd quarter because of GW2, and that shutting down Paragon Studios may even end of costing them money in terms of severance packages and lost revenue. But because of GW2 being so successful, any cost associated with shutting down Paragon Studios will be easily absorbed.
I think NC Soft just stopped caring about COH, Paragon Studios and its players, and saw a perfect opportunity to finally get rid of us. I think people are making the wrong inferences from the Q2 statements. I think the real story is that GW2 is giving them the cover they need to go forward with this move. -
Quote:This is my wager. Some suit needed to fancy up the numbers, and cutting Paragon made it look good in the short term. And they expect their other games to cover the hole that will be made by that lack of overall profit later.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
An alterntaive reason could be that cutting the game saves NCSoft money in the short term - for example, if the game costs 4 million a year to run, and makes 5 million a year, then they've made a 1 million profit - but if they axe the studio, their next financial report shows a 1 million loss of profits from the game, but a 4 million drop in running costs, so in the short-term, they'd have saved 3 million by shutting it down.
I see this plan failing. Miserably. This is also why I hate executives so much. -
Quote:Thats...not like that at all. Now if you'd said "I wanted to see the Avengers" or something like that, something that you PAY for up front to support, then you might have had a correlation. As it stands, you're just upset because he is right. If you didn't pay, then you weren't supporting the game financially. Its not really a difficult concept.Originally Posted by RavenGlenn
That's just idiotic. That's like saying that if you really like...Big Bang Theory, and you intend to watch it again when the new season starts, well tough! You should have been watching the reruns that are on every single day of the week, streamed it online every day, watched video on-demand of BBT AND bought the DVDs! Otherwise, you just don't support them.
People tend to leave games and come back for new updates/expansions. Just look at WoW with Mists of Pandaria.
As for WoW? I know plenty of people who aren't coming back to WoW. And while that may be anecdotal, what isn't is the three million people Cataclysm cost them. Wrath only lost 500,000 at its height, and yes Cataclysm regained those. Same won't be said of Mists, mark my words. -
Pretty much.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR6uz_VTCUo
Makes me tear up, hearing that and thinking that in just a few short months, it'll all be over. -
Do you think you'll be able to give us some advance warning, Zwill? Or...was this the advance warning?
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I think Zwillinger just head desked, before going on a banning spree.
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Quote:Norn, Sylvari, Charr, and Asura, so yes.Originally Posted by Tenzhi
The first one was such a boring, bland, click-n-grind that I couldn't be bothered to even look at the sequel. Not even if they added some playable non-human characters.
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Quote:It is pretty fun, to be honest.Originally Posted by Leo_G
Mmm, but Guild Wars 2 looks kind of fun
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That wasn't the game itself though, again that was NCsoft.
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Quote:It was either that, or he was afraid he wouldn't have access to red-name posting. It kinda sounded like it could go either way.Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Posi was expressing concern that the forums might not be up anymore next week. Check his post history for the exact comment.