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Quote:Originally Posted by UberGuy
In context, given the position implied by the post in question, I believe there is no reasonable debate that the definition number one is the one intended.
Try none of the above. By failure, I meant cessation, death, destruction, downfall. You are also wrong, the people who were responsible for it's initial success left with Cryptic.
Now you and fan can go back to insulting each other, while I remember why I didn't bother with the forums. -
Quote:Your problem not mine.Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
PPCG, trust me on this: you aren't capable of blowing my mind.
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Quote:Here's a mind blower for you,Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
And we have no way to find out what kind of profit it was making, do we, FX?
A. NCsoft shut down a profitable game because they needed a reason to twirl their mustaches this quarter and making gamers cry seemed to fill the bill.
B. NCsoft shut down a game that wasn't profitable or very marginally profitable because they needed to concentrate on things that made them money. -
Quote:CoH2 was this game. The features they wanted for it got rolled into going rogue and ultra mode.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
NCSoft already cancelled the CoH2 plans the studio were developing - it wasn't the devs who failed to grow the game.
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Quote:The only things I hate NCsoft for are not stepping in when it became obvious Paragon Studios wasn't growing the game, and shutting the game down completely instead of selling it.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
We don't want NCSoft invovled at all.
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Quote:That was revenue. Good job.Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
The game was making $10,000,000 a year, according to Paragon management - that's profit, not revenue. The game wasn't closed because it was failing. We may never know the real reason the game was closed, but being a "failure" isn't it. -
Talk to your credit card company talk to a lawyer best of luck with this. If you meet with success let us know, there's lots of people that would like a pound of NCsoft's flesh.
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Quote:Buy one. But this time pick a better one than the paragon market.Originally Posted by Radionuclide
My guess? Developing a billing system in-house will be quite an undertaking for a business without an influx of revenue from their customers.
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Quote:Why would you want the people responsible for the games failure to oversee the successor ?Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Hardly. Let's say Positron and Co. decided tomorrow to do this. New studios can be, and often are, set up in a couple of months. I know, I've been there. Nobody makes their own engines from scratch these days. Once funding was secured they would acquire a license for Unreal tech or the like; maybe even continue with Cryptic's engine. You're looking at around three to four years for development, not seven, and we'd be hearing about its production long before then with a web site set up to begin building hype and awareness and keeping the momentum. We'd probably be on their forums arguing about the game by next Summer. In the mean time, you'd be playing other games.
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Quote:Really, so everything that killed the game was the result of events 5 or more years ago ?Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I was hoping for a blown mind... if you want me to throw out opinions on why CoH never got bigger and slowly fell to the point that NCSoft decided to write it all off, here's a couple to ponder:
Lack of advertising is at the top of my list.
The mishandling of the AE exploits that culminated in a tirade from the lead developer and all of the game account bannings that occurred shortly thereafter.
Jack Emmert's poor PR skills.
Horrific repetitiveness in mission objectives. (This was always a plus for me as all I ever wanted from this game was hordes of bad guys to cut down. EDIT and correction: I also wanted comparable rewards for time/effort for soloing instead of being shoehorned/guided/forced into teaming. This was, after all, the reason that CoH lost MY money.)
Player antipathy from ED, the GDN and the PvP nerfs of I-13.
Really, the list goes on and on but for, so I'm told, 100000 people, this was the best game around. It was profitable. Maybe it will be again but I'm not holding my breath. I'll just playing until I can't anymore, keep posting here until I can't anymore and remain very thankful to the player that made it possible for me to be VIP again until the end. -
Quote:Tell you what I'll try to reach out myself on this.Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I was being serious. What's your thought? What hasn't been covered in all the other "why'd they kill CoH" threads? I'm honestly curious.
You have two broad categories for things that killed the game
1. No Harm, No Foul, Inevitable things that no one could do anything about.
Sub Categories.
A. Game was just too old
B. MMO market was tanking
C. Bad economy.
D. Other things that make no sense at all (Changes in the healthcare system)
There is how the game was doing and how others were. You draw your conclusions on that. I don't see a smoking gun.
Edit: CoX On its own
2. Actions by people or groups of people directly connected to the game.
A. The players taken as a group.
B. NCsoft as a corporation
C. The Developers of the game.
D. Outside group not enumerated.
A.) The players in the game not posting on the forums ? Not hardly. Even at this late date the player base is still organizing events trying to make the game as much fun as possible. I don't know another game with build tools or a wiki that's as good as ours. People quitting over the forums ? Not likely.
That leaves D, B,C. D is just a catch all. So we have NCSoft killed the game or Paragon Studios Killed the game.
Either is possible, NCsoft definitely declared it dead and made the funeral arrangements but did they kill the game ? -
Quote:You see communication involves both sides trying to understand the other's point of view. I can't make the effort for you.Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Oh, share with the class. What's the big and obvious reason that the game is being killed that no one has brought up yet? Blow my mind!
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Quote:There is a good example. I didn't edit the whole quote and I thought I made my position clear. This is why I never bothered to deal with these boards in the past. You always see people being forced to spend incredible amounts of effort defending issues that have nothing to do with what they were saying. When they were able to move forward you would see the threads vanished.Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
So why'd you quote his statement that ends with a sentence about freedom of speech?
As for reacting badly, folks react poorly when insulted. It's human nature. Either avoid insulting people, as the OP failed to do or the reactions that EL is harping on wouldn't exist, or deal with the reactions when they come. But please, do so without whining about imaginary attacks on one's freedom of speech.
Let me toss a question at you, if you think about this it may just blow your mind. There is a real obvious reason why the game is being killed that hasn't been talked about at all. What is it ? -
Quote:It isn't freedom of speech we are talking about. It's the inability of people to withstand challenges to their belief system without falling apart and reacting badly.Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
You people do understand that freedom of speech only protects you from governmental retribution for sharing your opinions, right?
It doesn't mean that you can share any half-backed line of BS without being called out on it. -
Quote:Not just CoX. Shutting down argument is the way things are done these days. The more likely the point of view is correct the faster it has to be stifled.Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Not trolling and communication 101, which I did take, did not deal with online internet COX game forum communication at all which seem to have it's own set of rules that change on whim and only apply to certain people.One thing I do beleive in which many in this forum do not seem to believe in, is freedom of speech.
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Quote:Thanks for the reminder of just how insular and brittle the community had become. Oh you worry about a stand alone complex, better check you haven't joined the Branch Davidians.Originally Posted by Jack_NoMind
Last week's Recap.
I know the geek thing is to be prepared for the zombie apocalypse, but, c'mon. Necromancers don't exist, brain-affecting diseases kill their host (besides, you can only make so much adrenaline), and radiation doesn't work that way.
I'm much more worried about a stand alone complex. -
Quote:Originally Posted by GameFan
City of heroes is the only game i keep falling back on. I would love to offer support in anyway to keep the game going. As far as the emulator, i remember he got a cease and desist letter. Hopefully some kind of deal with ncsoft can be made. Im doubtful but hopeful. I will support any legal efforts to keep the game going. Im with you!
Anyone that tries to go further will get the same and if they don't stop a lawsuit. The property has a value and NCsoft has to protect it's rights to it. -
Quote:Man you've opened the door to a locked room. On the floor of the room there is a corpse still bleeding from hundred of stab wounds. Next to the first corpse there is another, covered with blood and a knife in it's hand and a big hole in it's chest. Finally there is a guy with a smoking gun in his hand.Originally Posted by Cobra_Man
Pretty decent responses again.
MA was just something that I always felt damaged the game. Right from the off, I was worried about the long term consequences of its introduction.
I have to say that my comments were not aimed at the players who genuinely used MA to make interesting missions to play.
It wasn't my intention to undermine anyone who used MA as it was intended to be used.
My intent was always to highlight the harm that misuse of MA caused - and indeed the lack of new content that was left out in place of MA.
There isn't much more for me to say.
Thanks for your time.
What do you do ?
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Quote:How long did it take Detroit to start making smaller fuel efficient cars ?Originally Posted by Zekiran_Immortal
I have to wonder at the thought processes of people in those high-level business seats. Are they seriously that set in their ways, and that blind to the *actual* fun of playing different games that they don't comprehend that people DO want "different" and not just "more"?
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Quote:Don't feed the Troll.Originally Posted by JayboH
You haven't noticed the ability to edit posts after 8 years, so take your own advice - you are so acidic and so negative and insulting, for no reason. Maybe taking your frustrations out on a new target is the goal of the day - who knows, maybe if you call me names the game will magically not get cancelled anymore.
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Quote:I wouldn't believe that if anyone but an officer of the corporate entity responsible for paragon studios said it. Even then I'd want to look into it.Originally Posted by Jack_NoMind
We know (or at least, have every reason to believe based on published numbers) that such a set-up is profitable, so there's no particular reason to think this is implausible.
What we know is Paragon Studios was grossing 2.5 million a quarter last quarter and had 80 employees in one of the most expensive areas of the country. The Bay Area has an average salary of 65K and in software related fields a QA engineer can take down 63K while a database designer can take take down 113K.
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Quote:Well I wanted the old Dragon Mirth cartoon that hadOriginally Posted by Ironik
Can't tell you how often someone shows me that cartoon.
1. A barbarian with an arrow through his chest and pointing at a page in an open book
2. A ranger with an axe through his noggin and pointing at an open book.
The word bubble above both their heads read "No look here I killed you"
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Quote:Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Okay guys.
You're peeved at NCSoft. And on many levels, this feeling is fully justified.
But, can we PLEASE keep the angry "not buying XYZ" and "Don't buy ABC" and "I can't believe they replaced CoH with *FNORD!* man!" rhetoric down?
Right now there are really REALLY delicate negotiations going on over the future of CoH. And a bunch of angry "I'm gonna sabotage you!" talk is NOT going to help these people.
Please guys. This has been mostly civil for the past couple weeks now.
Please don't let every little dribble of NCSoft news that isn't "CoH is saved" become a call to jihad here.
Is this me telling anyone to sit down and shut up? No.
This is me asking, if needs be, begging for you to remember that people are right now working VERY hard to try and save this game. And a lot of angry rhetoric is simply a disincentive for NCSoft to be cooperative and amiable about the whole thing.
This is me asking you to keep a lid on your tempers so that these people's job is made as easy as possible. So that we have the absolute BEST chance of rescuing the game and community from oblivion.
If, on December 1st, the game is gone forever, and you still feel the need to go up in a ball of nuclear fire BE MY GUEST!
Until then, please remain civil!
Sorry can't imagine anything that would change my opinion about NCsoft except maybe purging the board of directors and all the upper echelons of their executive staff.
This isn't the first game that has been torpedoed out from under me but by god it has been the worst handled. -
Quote:Always looks like this to meOriginally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
It will always amuse me how threads evolve around here.
