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As one GM to another, there's a very important tip, and that's to be flexible, take feedback.
No matter how awsome your plot may be to you, players do not want to be railroaded and will want to do thier own things.
Being as inflexible as you are right now when presented with some problems that might affect the number of people watching who want to join in isn't exactly a good sign. -
I mean to even get away with this High Level Corruption you're dead set on you'd need to be massivley subtle, suddenly making every child a legal walking experiment... is not so subtle.
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Wait what? You start a discussion thread, ask for our opinions, we provide our opinions and then you just brush them all aside?
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While true we never got word on the scale here, I think that if any polition in Paragon said "I plan to introduce a new bill that will let us perform experiments on kids" is going to come under independant investigation from so many supers at once when teh bill is even in the planning stages, not to mention mass protests and law inforcments own going "Hang on a minitue that's not right".
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That's a little... extreme don't you think?
I mean a sweeping change to an entire nations laws to do somthing like that...
Wouldn't it work better for the corrupt governemnt officlas in question to be merly covering up a shadey medical companies (Possibley Crey, it sounds thier thing) experiments on children? -
Quote:It's not the definition of a hero we're arguing here, just how one definition for Vigilante could be used to describe superman.Any definition of Hero that does not allow for Superman to be among its number is an incomplete or wrong definition of Hero.
He's the ultimate goodguy after all! He'll do what he knows is right regardless of what the law says.
It just so happens Supes is ati-killing and a very good man. -
You really can't see how that makes him fit the definition offered in this thread?
Supes will follow his own moral code over and above the law, his moral code comes first and he makes Life or Death decisions with it.
He does not kill no, but Death makes up only half of "Life and Death" after all :P -
Quote:So Superman doesn't save people from burnign buildings? It's a life or death decision based on his own personal moral code after all, he's deciding who lives or dies after all.Really? In that case Lex Luther would be dead by now. Since Superman would go after him even after he was cleared in court, because 'he played the system for the last time!!'. But that's obviously not how superman operates. He obeys the law (majority incarnations), and doesn't intervene with the process unless he absolutely has to. No doing vigilante actions.
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While Shad is right about certian things in my assesment, just Good and Evil really is a massivley complicated system.
So complciated infact that in an attempt to make life easier for eeryone we have to invent more classifications for things to even begin to make sense.
As if you'll recall back before GR when we had two alignments, Villian (Evil) covered everything from people out only for profit, to people trying to make teh world confrom to what they thought was best by force to spycopathic killers.
And that's just 'evil', the more general the label gets the more complicated it becomes to define exactly what it means and if a charater falls under it or not. -
Wait what?
1=A
2=B
3=C
4=D
5=E
6=F
7=G
8=H
9=I
Is more complex then
1= A or B and C
2= D or I or H
3= I and E or G
4= F or H or B
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Because when the 4 are far more vauge and open to intepritation and alternate takes then the 9.
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Wow, bravo Wolfram, bravo, very eloquently put.
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And so I feel the need to point out what the game thinks they are, though again these are game definitions, as RPers we've got significant room to maneuver.
A Hero: Does the right and just thing, won't sacrifice anyone but themselves in their duty to try and bring evil doers to justice and save the world.
A Vigilante: Quite possibly unstable (have you seen the Vigilante tips my god...) who sees themselves as judge jury and executioner against what they perceive as bad, regardless of what any law says.
A Rogue: Doesn't really care for any laws, but has standards, typically the kind who saves the day but offers the excuse "Yea well... I only did it so the world I want to take over wasn't destroyed". Basically a villain with standards and a keen hunger for profit.
A Villain: Lord Puppy-eater, does evil for evils sake and enjoys it, all about the power and the fame. -
Quote:However, while the box was closed you have things like the Banished Pantheon, Circle of Thorns and Corolax all still kicking around and doing thier things albeit on a lesser scale.Personal view is that the box stunts the flow of the super source that gives humans powers/inspiration.
While it's closed you get people like Robin Hood, John Henry and the Wright Brothers, legendary people, fantastic inventors and folk lore heroes, but ultimately human, then when its open you get people like Manticore, Back Alley Brawler and Positron, who while similar to the previous heroes, ramp things up power wise.
And since you brought up the Isles you've got the Fort Hades ghosts too! Not to mention the heroes who predate the box opening, like Lady Grey or that guy who can remember all his past lives down in Founders.
Oh, and Nemesis. -
And of course there are teh issues of super pwoered beings/events taking place while the box was unquestionabley closed too :P
So it's not like the box sealed away all hero stuff, just limied it! -
Quote:Wait what? This doesn't match any of the Arachnos Commanders we fight in game.Set wise? He'd be a MM with 40+ Arachnos themed pets, air strikes and crowd control that lasted days if not months.
While Varrick did! The only thing slightly Sue-ish about him was his batman-esq ability to be ahead of the game, which I belive we both agreed on for the amusment of plots?
If you think being a Commander of a bunch of misfits is on the same level as being an Arbiter, well, your definition of that is as silly as your Godmodding one. -
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Quote:Uh, you are talking about Preatorian earth right? The planet which was absolutly devistated by a planet wide war?Hey - Primal Earth and Praetoria Earth, while not excessivley HUGE planets, are still pretty big places. So while Cole has his Praetors in Praetoria City, and there are definitely other cities on Praetorian Earth; Praetor positions are bound to be open to anyone who are strong enough and willing enough to take them.
That's down to one major city and several colony cities that arn't self sufficant right?
That has a world population of under a Billion and possibley in teh double digit millions?
Also player character preators are like player character Patrons or Arbiters, just ugh. -
I'll just point out, do we really really really want PC Pretors? I mean think about it for a moment, Preator is a hard title to earn, heck there's evidence that there's a limited number of them!
Just look at what happened to Anti-Matter! -
Quote:Quite simpel really, Heros are given powers similar to law enforcment agencies so they can enforce the law.Not really Forse, not really at all.
The very idea of people being above the law, or putting themselves above the law, and then having the gumption to act as if they are right after doing so?
it offends me on a very deep level.
If its okay for you to break the law when you feel the need to, then what value is the law at all? Why are you defending it? Why is it okay for you to break it but not others? Are you some how better than everyone else?
Y'know, arrest people and all that, s'what the hero licence does, so no they're not above the law but there are allowances to let them colelct evidence, beat up criminals and do things like that. -
Quote:So uh, what about me, Fans, Z and Shad? Y'know everyone else having that debate with CB over in that thread who you seem to have convinantly missed?got called on it? from what i read you simply laughed because his character Tomb is insanely evil and he was talking about ethics.
Are we just laughing at Tomb? Or are we trying to point out the flaws in his argument? -
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Going off of Z's post it seems like she'd prefer to wait and see what'd develop rather then try to force somthing :P
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To be fair Pious and/or Pistol do seem to keep missing my posts pointing out Techs Arachnos Attack plot was a wide scale thing done well.
Using the Rikti again wouldn't work in my opinion, not until we have some more news from the Devs on how that fronts progressing.
I'll second or third of whatever just letting the Devs and our own preatorian stories develop for now, a new event should grow out of that.
After all, a tad greedy to want another wide scale plot when Open Season is still ongoing :P