Oceanborn

I suggest dropping by, you won't get killed. If you're lucky you might see him. When I logged on again, there was a Blue Coralax-Hybrid in his place.

It's just a small pool (you can't miss it) on the NW side of Spider City (the Grandville walls.) You can't miss it because it's the only *clear* water there. The rest of the water (even the ocean) is polluted.

Heh, well, as awesome as that might be, unfortunately that can ruin the balance, so yeah. But the Incarnates still might be that new AT you're looking for, you never know.

Anyway, I decided to drop by my pool, and look who I found hanging out with me:

The place

The company

First, they added the pool, then they made it so you would look like you're swimming, now they added this (lvl 14) Red Coralax-Hybrid drinking coffee. Are the devs hinting something?

If you're asking for a powerful Archetype, that will never happend. If it can trump any Arachetype, it will never happend for the reason of balance. Now, as for Epic Archetypes, that may be an exception, but it wouldn't be a drastic change. I'm referring to the Kheldians having a mixture of powers, being diverse in their class - making it seem like they're weaker because "this class can do a Kheldians job better", etc.

I assume we'll be given new classes, something new, like the Mastermind and the Stalker in addition to Blast, Control, Support, Tank, and Melee. But as far as one that's more powerful than the other ATs, no, not even an EAT.

Story-wise, it probably doesn't make sense, but we're in the game now. Certain enemies have to be too powerful for 1 vs 1 combat for the game. With a story, ofcourse 1 vs 1 is very easy to believe, but game mechanics can't really have that becase.. well.. this is the game.


Also, just to remind everyone, the devs still hasn't revealed what they're going to do with the Incarnates yet. It will most likely be introduced to us as full-fledged Incarnates and not a combo like Statesman or Lord Recluse being part Incarnates only.

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What makes Statesman or Recluse Incarnates? What separates a Tank Incarnate from a Tank?

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I recommend reading up on their history, Statesman and Lord Recluse I mean. I recommend picking up the novel "Web of Arachnos" which pretty much covers that history - should be available in your book stores.

Anyway, to give you a summary (fyi, their story is a bit hazy to me now, pardon me if I may present you with some small minor errors in detail in their story): Statesman and Lord Recluse were once pals, normal people, wanted to look for this mythical island. They found the island, which is basically the Well of Furies, and there, they found the Fountain of Zeus. By drinking out of the Fountain of Zeus, Statesman was reincarnated into Zeus, so he became a demi-god - that would explain Statesman being a Tanker having Lightning powers. Lord Recluse drank from it too and was reincarnated as Tartarus (yes, it's a place in Hades but Tartarus in some mythos is portrayed as a god.) There's some other stuff in there about both of them opening Pandora's Box, thus unleashing the Golden Age of Heroes (and apparently villains) but I'm gonna need to pull the book out for that and I'm not sure where it is. Again, I recommend picking up the book "Web of Arachnos" which talks about their history.

So overall, an Incarnate means you're reincarnated with or to someone.

Now, don't think that just because Statesman and Lord Recluse were reincarnated into demi-gods or personified, that we'll be able to do that too. Remember, they play the lead roles in this game - er, it's story anyway - so we can't be more powerful than they are.

Also note that it's still unknown what the devs are gonna do with the Incarnates.

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Yeah, I've read the book. I think it was a great book. Anyway, I never got that they were reincarnates. That helps. So, now they just have to figure out a way to let any number of people be an incarnate of any number of things...that might prove to be difficult.

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There are a few things or.. possibilites:

The Incarnates has always been thought of as an EAT, which means a seperate EAT, not a fusion like Statesman (Tanker+Incarnate) and Lord Recluse (MM+Incarnate). So if it were to be seperate, it could either be a whole new.. thing. Like from the beginning, you're able to pick which being you'd be reincarnated with.

Another possibility is the fusion - one solution for that is probably like the Patron system, where you pick one and you're stuck with them from lvl 41-50.

All in all, I do hope that it's a seperate EAT. I don't think anyone should expect them to be 'god-mode' EATs (aka more powerful than other ATs) but I think it would be interesting to see what the devs have come up with. Some speculate that the Incarnates are the EAT coming in the expansion box - I'd rather see the Coralax but.. we'll see.

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Wow, I just have to say wow. I don't know how long you've or anyone else has been browsing the forums, reading the interview or whatnot, but I can't imagine how much has been going into it. Kudos to you, because I don't have the time or effort.

Sometimes, I think it's more fun to think about what the possibilities are that are coming out than to actually get them. My antipation for the Kheldians totally overwhelmed how I actually felt when I got them. I just hope that whatever the new archetypes are, they won't disappoint. I really hope that it's like what I read in an interview, that they're going to not just slap some powers together and call it an EAT. I hope they come up with something that combines ATs.

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Well, combine is a really strong word. Sometimes it almost isn't fair. In some cases, it can be picked or not picked over certain ATs, just like how some Kheldians complain about getting kicked off the team because another AT can do their job better. Anyway, to me, Epic ATs mean being able to join an Epic story, so I am looking forward to.. unique power sets rather than a combo of two or more, but all in all, the best part of being able to play one is to be part of their story - but ofcourse I'm mostly referring to the Coralax which I'm just very excited about. The Avilans and the Blood of the Black Stream as well.

As far as dev quotes, I just check the Dev Digest and interviews don't really go unnoticed around here in the forums. Once news hit that there's an interview, it'll be the talk of the day. But thanks though.

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Not if they're not allowed to, just like how the Kheldians can't access Ancillary powers.

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What makes Statesman or Recluse Incarnates? What separates a Tank Incarnate from a Tank?

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I recommend reading up on their history, Statesman and Lord Recluse I mean. I recommend picking up the novel "Web of Arachnos" which pretty much covers that history - should be available in your book stores.

Anyway, to give you a summary (fyi, their story is a bit hazy to me now, pardon me if I may present you with some small minor errors in detail in their story): Statesman and Lord Recluse were once pals, normal people, wanted to look for this mythical island. They found the island, which is basically the Well of Furies, and there, they found the Fountain of Zeus. By drinking out of the Fountain of Zeus, Statesman was reincarnated into Zeus, so he became a demi-god - that would explain Statesman being a Tanker having Lightning powers. Lord Recluse drank from it too and was reincarnated as Tartarus (yes, it's a place in Hades but Tartarus in some mythos is portrayed as a god.) There's some other stuff in there about both of them opening Pandora's Box, thus unleashing the Golden Age of Heroes (and apparently villains) but I'm gonna need to pull the book out for that and I'm not sure where it is. Again, I recommend picking up the book "Web of Arachnos" which talks about their history.

So overall, an Incarnate means you're reincarnated with or to someone.

Now, don't think that just because Statesman and Lord Recluse were reincarnated into demi-gods or personified, that we'll be able to do that too. Remember, they play the lead roles in this game - er, it's story anyway - so we can't be more powerful than they are.

Also note that it's still unknown what the devs are gonna do with the Incarnates.

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Yeah, I've read the book. I think it was a great book. Anyway, I never got that they were reincarnates. That helps. So, now they just have to figure out a way to let any number of people be an incarnate of any number of things...that might prove to be difficult.

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There are a few things or.. possibilites:

The Incarnates has always been thought of as an EAT, which means a seperate EAT, not a fusion like Statesman (Tanker+Incarnate) and Lord Recluse (MM+Incarnate). So if it were to be seperate, it could either be a whole new.. thing. Like from the beginning, you're able to pick which being you'd be reincarnated with.

Another possibility is the fusion - one solution for that is probably like the Patron system, where you pick one and you're stuck with them from lvl 41-50.

All in all, I do hope that it's a seperate EAT. I don't think anyone should expect them to be 'god-mode' EATs (aka more powerful than other ATs) but I think it would be interesting to see what the devs have come up with. Some speculate that the Incarnates are the EAT coming in the expansion box - I'd rather see the Coralax but.. we'll see.

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Wow, I just have to say wow. I don't know how long you've or anyone else has been browsing the forums, reading the interview or whatnot, but I can't imagine how much has been going into it. Kudos to you, because I don't have the time or effort.

Sometimes, I think it's more fun to think about what the possibilities are that are coming out than to actually get them. My antipation for the Kheldians totally overwhelmed how I actually felt when I got them. I just hope that whatever the new archetypes are, they won't disappoint. I really hope that it's like what I read in an interview, that they're going to not just slap some powers together and call it an EAT. I hope they come up with something that combines ATs.

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Well, combine is a really strong word. Sometimes it almost isn't fair. In some cases, it can be picked or not picked over certain ATs, just like how some Kheldians complain about getting kicked off the team because another AT can do their job better. Anyway, to me, Epic ATs mean being able to join an Epic story, so I am looking forward to.. unique power sets rather than a combo of two or more, but all in all, the best part of being able to play one is to be part of their story - but ofcourse I'm mostly referring to the Coralax which I'm just very excited about. The Avilans and the Blood of the Black Stream as well.

As far as dev quotes, I just check the Dev Digest and interviews don't really go unnoticed around here in the forums. Once news hit that there's an interview, it'll be the talk of the day. But thanks though.

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What makes Statesman or Recluse Incarnates? What separates a Tank Incarnate from a Tank?

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I recommend reading up on their history, Statesman and Lord Recluse I mean. I recommend picking up the novel "Web of Arachnos" which pretty much covers that history - should be available in your book stores.

Anyway, to give you a summary (fyi, their story is a bit hazy to me now, pardon me if I may present you with some small minor errors in detail in their story): Statesman and Lord Recluse were once pals, normal people, wanted to look for this mythical island. They found the island, which is basically the Well of Furies, and there, they found the Fountain of Zeus. By drinking out of the Fountain of Zeus, Statesman was reincarnated into Zeus, so he became a demi-god - that would explain Statesman being a Tanker having Lightning powers. Lord Recluse drank from it too and was reincarnated as Tartarus (yes, it's a place in Hades but Tartarus in some mythos is portrayed as a god.) There's some other stuff in there about both of them opening Pandora's Box, thus unleashing the Golden Age of Heroes (and apparently villains) but I'm gonna need to pull the book out for that and I'm not sure where it is. Again, I recommend picking up the book "Web of Arachnos" which talks about their history.

So overall, an Incarnate means you're reincarnated with or to someone.

Now, don't think that just because Statesman and Lord Recluse were reincarnated into demi-gods or personified, that we'll be able to do that too. Remember, they play the lead roles in this game - er, it's story anyway - so we can't be more powerful than they are.

Also note that it's still unknown what the devs are gonna do with the Incarnates.

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Yeah, I've read the book. I think it was a great book. Anyway, I never got that they were reincarnates. That helps. So, now they just have to figure out a way to let any number of people be an incarnate of any number of things...that might prove to be difficult.

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There are a few things or.. possibilites:

The Incarnates has always been thought of as an EAT, which means a seperate EAT, not a fusion like Statesman (Tanker+Incarnate) and Lord Recluse (MM+Incarnate). So if it were to be seperate, it could either be a whole new.. thing. Like from the beginning, you're able to pick which being you'd be reincarnated with.

Another possibility is the fusion - one solution for that is probably like the Patron system, where you pick one and you're stuck with them from lvl 41-50.

All in all, I do hope that it's a seperate EAT. I don't think anyone should expect them to be 'god-mode' EATs (aka more powerful than other ATs) but I think it would be interesting to see what the devs have come up with. Some speculate that the Incarnates are the EAT coming in the expansion box - I'd rather see the Coralax but.. we'll see.

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What makes Statesman or Recluse Incarnates? What separates a Tank Incarnate from a Tank?

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I recommend reading up on their history, Statesman and Lord Recluse I mean. I recommend picking up the novel "Web of Arachnos" which pretty much covers that history - should be available in your book stores.

Anyway, to give you a summary (fyi, their story is a bit hazy to me now, pardon me if I may present you with some small minor errors in detail in their story): Statesman and Lord Recluse were once pals, normal people, wanted to look for this mythical island. They found the island, which is basically the Well of Furies, and there, they found the Fountain of Zeus. By drinking out of the Fountain of Zeus, Statesman was reincarnated into Zeus, so he became a demi-god - that would explain Statesman being a Tanker having Lightning powers. Lord Recluse drank from it too and was reincarnated as Tartarus (yes, it's a place in Hades but Tartarus in some mythos is portrayed as a god.) There's some other stuff in there about both of them opening Pandora's Box, thus unleashing the Golden Age of Heroes (and apparently villains) but I'm gonna need to pull the book out for that and I'm not sure where it is. Again, I recommend picking up the book "Web of Arachnos" which talks about their history.

So overall, an Incarnate means you're reincarnated with or to someone.

Now, don't think that just because Statesman and Lord Recluse were reincarnated into demi-gods or personified, that we'll be able to do that too. Remember, they play the lead roles in this game - er, it's story anyway - so we can't be more powerful than they are.

Also note that it's still unknown what the devs are gonna do with the Incarnates.

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The quote on the super computer mentions use of Leylines and landscape geometry; the oil spill that dosn't dissapear shaped like a magic symbol could be just one part of this. Im thinking this "supercomputer" is in all actuallity the harnessing of magic from the use of symbols of power carved out on the earth (The Oil Spill being one of them) and using bits of technology to harness this power... to what end we dont know; use all that magical energy harvested from the earth to unleash demonic hordes maybe? This is the connection to Ba'tzul?

I have to say I am intrigued by the idea of turning the entire planet into one giant conduit for magical energy.

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I believe there's still alot of pieces missing in this puzzle - which is what this really is. A big web of.. conspiracies and connections. To me, honestly, alot of things don't make sense. They add up but they don't make sense.. yet. I hope the devs can give us more info sometime soon, not a spoiler, but just more hints.

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again, coralax is not the common foe. the common foe is the battalion which was mentioned in the announcement where they scrapped the skill system for good and announced the invention system.

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Who are you to say? Your name doesn't look red. I think the Coralax could, quite likely, be the common foe, being that they hate all life on Earth. (rather than in the ocean)

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I'd also love to see that quote. I can't seem to find anything in the search engine.

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I remember Statesman saying the skills system was 'shelved', but that was all that was in his comment. I don't remember anything about the Battalion. If you ask me, I would think it's either (a) The Coralax (b) The 5th Column (c) The Shadow Shard or (d) a new threat that.. threatens.. all of Earth.

At this point, I'd take anyone's opinions in consideration, if there's official proof, that just makes it all better.

10 years - probably in their home planet. Not on Earth, just like the Nictus who can't survive without a host.

As far as being disappointed, yes, mostly all of us were expecting new EATs, but then we get the Kheldians again. To be unbiased, we do need to balance it out, so it's a good idea, but I know alot of us wouldn't mind if we didn't get them at all and get new ones instead.

No no, you missed some news I think, haha.

The next EAT coming for the villains are the Warshades (or Nictus), what does that mean? we might be getting Rogue Peacebringers and Nictus - but let's not debate over that again. Other than that, nothing has been said other than we'll get 'em with Positron using the term "Warshades".

The next NEW EAT will be in the expansion box set, and most people think it's the Incarnates because in I8, we'll get a 'fat loot' system which will make our characters 'better and better and better..' and Posi even compared it to having to lvl to 60. Anyway, it's been officially said that the 'fat loot' system is only the beginning of it, and the expansion box will further it even more, so that's why people think it's the Incarnates, but then again, the devs have somewhat announced it to be a seperate EAT so I'm not sure.

One other possibility is the Coralax, since Posi said that in the expansion, villains and heroes will be joining to fight a "common foe" so it's easy to think that it might be the Coralax, but that's just pure speculation.

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What about War Witch (she's ice/fire blaster right) and Blue Steel?

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Not so sure, haha. Other people in the Player Questions side of the forum might know though.


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Well, this super computer definitely reveals more of Gadzul Oil's story more - or rather, the mystery of the story arc. When they said 'super computer' I don't think they mean a literal computer, I think they meant to say.. I don't know.. a certain reality or happening? it specifically said:

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The owners are not true villains, after
all—they just have their own agenda. Part of that agenda is
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Mordrogar also talked about the great 'circuit'; a sort of 'connection' if you may.

I think we'll just have to wait for more info to be revealed. I think all we have is 5% of the puzzle.

Although we don't really know who's running what, it's been made almost clear that the signs all point to Gadzul Oil, and all these coincidences are happening for a reason. Also, from that 'super computer' quote, they just may have revealed that the BotBS EAT will be both Tech and Magic origin - but don't take my word for it.

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I finally went to go look at the oil spill, and yes, it is shaped like the Eye of Horus. So what I'm thinking is that.. is it supposed to mean something or is it merely and insignia? I mean, it's a symbol of protection and power - and as far as we know, it's all about connections. The devs need to give us more clues, lol.

Well, this super computer definitely reveals more of Gadzul Oil's story more - or rather, the mystery of the story arc. When they said 'super computer' I don't think they mean a literal computer, I think they meant to say.. I don't know.. a certain reality or happening? it specifically said:

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The owners are not true villains, after
all—they just have their own agenda. Part of that agenda is
creating a kind of “supercomputer,” a blend of actual electronic components as well as geography, bloodlines, and even events that complete a quasimystical circuit.

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Mordrogar also talked about the great 'circuit'; a sort of 'connection' if you may.

I think we'll just have to wait for more info to be revealed. I think all we have is 5% of the puzzle.

Although we don't really know who's running what, it's been made almost clear that the signs all point to Gadzul Oil, and all these coincidences are happening for a reason. Also, from that 'super computer' quote, they just may have revealed that the BotBS EAT will be both Tech and Magic origin - but don't take my word for it.

You've made very very compelling points, and yes I did just read the Prima Guide yesterday. It was hard for me to connect things because the "Book of Mordrogar" arc still confuses me a bit, but I get the jist of it.

Anyway, IMO, it's still unclear who's behind what or who's doing what. Obviously the Hellions were hired just to be set up for failure, but it all seems like villainous fun for whoever's behind it. I do think that there are different factions here at work, and the supercomputer was just totally random, so I can't wait for further info on that; but I'm just drawing a blank right now -- I'll probably edit later.

Feel free to connect any dots.

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Someone posted above that the tooth was discolored. Um, no. You were given a crystal so you can 'see' the 'essence' of the Leviathan in the tooth. That's the tooth you have to click. It isn't clear that you have to 'click' the tooth to extract the essence. Even when I did click it, I didn't click it in the right place. It was only when I was flying past it and trying to click it again that it worked.

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I posted something about that. Unfortunately I was running on low graphics mode that time so I couldn't tell. Some glitches that happend in the game turns out the same color as the low-graphics version of the 'colorful' tooth. In higher resolution, it's eminating with power of different colors, in low resolution, it looks glitched.


Anyway, has anyone gotten Spirit Shark Jaws? I want to see what it looks like - if it's really Jaws or if the shark resizes to your opponent.

But do you think it's a mandatory pick just like the Dominator pets? Because Dominator pets are mandatory if you want to take full advantage of the set.

And another question, how do the normal attacks look like? I know I saw GW's Soul Tentacles attack and it was Soul Storm-colored. Do the others have the same Soul Storm-colored re-worked animation? (ie. Dark Blast, Gloom, Moonbeam, etc.)

I would think that would be the fair thing to do, but you never know

Well, to answer you honestly, I don't know. All I know is what Positron said:

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We’ll have veteran rewards, which you’ll get every three months of payment and I’d like to stress here that the three months don’t have to be continuous. There’ll be lots of fan requested items and I can tell you that a trench coats costume option will be the first reward that we’ll hand out. The rewards are account based, thus players won’t have to decide which character they want to use them on. Some of the other ideas we’re toying with are base items, free respecs and temporal powers. There’s even a chance we’ll see the beloved Christmas jet pack again. An expanded version of the Halloween event will also open this year giving newer players are chance of getting those cool badges.

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What level will the pets be? and what does everyone think about them? worth taking or do you have to take it because it makes up the whole set? (just like the Control-pets?)

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That was pretty much my reaction, too.

All the physics are client side only, and no information about them is passed from client to server -- so, it's strictly a visual on your machine. That means, there is no way for people to play volleyball, or kickball. We could put one in that only you, the player, would see, but I imagine that isn't what everyone would like.

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iLaff.

iLaffatyuwall.

Yeah, cannibalism ftw.

From what I remember, there is no Titan named Tartarus. Tartarus is where the Titans are held captive. Although, IIRC, Hesoid described Tartarus as both a deity and a place, maybe a personification. Anyway, it's a CoX mythos novel. I wouldn't be surprised if it's as accurate as Hequat's connection to the RL mythological goddess Hecate.

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While Statesman has the power of Zues, Lord Recluse has the power of the titan Tartarus.

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Good, it's not Hades like everyone predicted.

You can say that again.

I can't wait to start one when I7 hits the live servers.

Haha, that's interesting. Thanks

For some reason, when using ST + Fly, people usually can't come after me. Keeps me from getting insta-killed.