Ngamok

Yea, LRM isn't that great, Force of Nature on the other hand, woulda been fun to have.

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I keep looking at the numbers and reading the reports... the Patron Powers appear to be a bit, um, lame.

I just don't understand how one of the lead Devs (Cuppa) can PUBLICLY state the Villain Patron Powers are STRONGER than the Hero Epic Power Pools. I really question if the Devs understang MMOs, especially their own.

Cheers,

SUN

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It was Matt Miller (Positron) who said it in an interview. It's really too early to tell because everyone is looking at these powers "on paper". Yes, my brute woulda loved FA instead of 2 ranged attacks and a pet.

But like everyone else, the "on paper" numbers look rather weak. I would just like to get Body Mastery rather than Mace/Mu/Leviathan/Soul Mastery

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Let's face it, they made ALL the patron powers gimped so we wouldn't feel bad if we didn't want to take one.

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It's curious as well that

1. The powers are SO much weaker and expensive by the look of it relative to the EPPs hero side. Wasn't it stated by either Positron or Castle that they would be significantly stronger?

2. We basically have most of the numbers for most powers through vigorous player testing. Why were so MANY aspects of the numbers excluded? "Hard numbers" this may be, but it's a fraction of the numbers on them.

Both points need to be addressed, really...

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You mean this Interview:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/s...eID/194/page/1

Note:

MMORPG.com: In terms of balance, is there an equivalent power set available to the heroes in CoH, or is this a villainous advantage?

Matt Miller: The Patron Powers are stronger and more powerful than the “equivalent” powers in City of Heroes (the Ancillary Power Pools), because there is less diversification and the fact that Patron choices are permanent alterations to your character.

I was told Lord Recluse quit because he wasn't allowed to do the things he wanted. Having holds be 32s vs. hero 16s better have a hold that lasts twice as long because those don't look "more powerful" to me vs. what the heroes get.

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Another thing aside from the soft numbers they provided.......How are these powers "stronger" then their normal counterparts as stated by Matt Miller in a recent interview? If you ask me, all of the power are sub par to anything Ive seen in game ATM.

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Interview:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/s...eID/194/page/1

Note:

MMORPG.com: In terms of balance, is there an equivalent power set available to the heroes in CoH, or is this a villainous advantage?

Matt Miller: The Patron Powers are stronger and more powerful than the “equivalent” powers in City of Heroes (the Ancillary Power Pools), because there is less diversification and the fact that Patron choices are permanent alterations to your character.


I hope you didn't expect the PPP to be better than the APP. Smoke and Mirrors.

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We dont know what is contained in the Patron pools yet, how many powers exist, how similar they are to each Patron, etc...so its difficult to debate for now until we see it on Test to form our opinions on it.

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No that's incorrect. My concern is that the choice is permanent. I don't care if every pool was the identical but with different colors (it won't be), what I'm concerned about is that it's a permanent choice.

I just think that it is a bad idea to gate an ancillary pool this way and think the devs should offer the generic ancillary pools that heroes have access to on the side.

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I'd like that too, but I really doubt the devs will do it. If they make non-Patron APPs availble, I imagine lots of people are going to just avoid the Patron Power's and their related arcs and content. I doubt the devs want that to happen.

Personally, I think I'll just team with people doing to the missions to see what they are like, but I just can't accept a pool I can't change. Not when power changes are so frequent, and documentation of changes is so poor.

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I agree that's what would happen, but consider that. Is having the patron pools being this permanent choice that good an idea if many people would bypass it if given another choice to give an ancillary pool?

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I would go with the Patron Powers for the content and the "Hey <Insert Patron Here> says he don't want you here, so I'm gonna take you out"