New Dawn

If I said there isn't usually or if I said there isn't always does it make a difference?

If we are going to get into picky +1 posts that doesn't really say anything we can stop talking now.

Usually you will only see one Quartz dropped per group. The idea is to deal with one at a time. Then you only see one Quartz dropped per group. There isn't always a Guardian in every group, sometimes one in every 2.

It's no different from Invulns KoBing Sappers on sight. I remember when I first started leveling in the game, I got to 40 and saw my first sapper and all the experienced people told me this is where SRs come in and I was like okay cool. Only the SR scrappers didn't always deal with the Sapper on sight so since I have a rely on no one policy. I will rely on people to make them useful, to get the most out of their characters just not when it might mean insta death. Sappers are lamer now so the dealing with upto 3 at a time sounds even less astounding.

Did when I first ran into them somewhere about level 30 but then I made a macro to auto target Guardians, and kept groups away from eachother.

So it was Autotarget Guardian, shoot in and smack him with Clobber before Quartz can get dropped and pretty much wipe the floor with everything else.

This does entirely rest upon the rest of the entire build. In my suggestion I skipped QR I think, believing it to be a non essential as my attack chain + recovery would more or less even out. So I slotted the +rec, +hp others will slot +regen, +hp. I wouldn't miss 1hps and because they do have QR they wouldn't miss the +rec. Whatever I skipped QR for and it was to accommodate LSKs choice of epic and still tank well in my own eyes. If end is a problem then maybe just taking some incarnate will sort it out. Got to look as far as the eye can see.

Yeah and visa versa, if I see someone getting multiple replies by various people I tend not to join in.

I like to see things and keep things as brief as poss.

Can I make an alt account post here? I didn't know. I thought it was all tied to the main NCSoft accounts. Well if its true then that is somit I didn't know about but then there are things I will never know about like the reward system.

Most threads end up with me replying to one person and then having to reply to several other people. For me it always could look like I upset some forum clique although that's not necessarily the case. Time allows me to reply or care. If I see a wall of text I won't care.

I don't do the 18 pages of arguments. I get to a point to where things will just have to wait and so they wait. How can you say that I storm out of threads?

/Storms out of thread.

I believe she is more resistant to Energy just to start with.

Yep, that would be something I can say in a light tone.

OK lol. You may not know this but in real life I am basically never ever angered, frustrated and all that other stuff. So basically not as serious as people may think and the first paragraph just cracked me up.

That build you did I am assuming you would get the rechg down when filling in the rest of the build. I don't know if you would have to gimp the rest of the build without filling it in. I couldn't possibly play with an unfinished build due to rechg limits so it'll be inconclusive.

Inner Light I would use two damage buffs that start together, one lasting 30s and one lasting 10s. The one lasting 10s stacks to the 30s. If you you take away the 30s buff from the 10s and divide that by the amount of times the longer duration is compared to the shorter, then add that to the buff lasting 30s you can have a single average buff for calculation purposes. I use 1.432 for an average buff. ((1.72-1.288)/3)+1.28.

If you provide two fully realized builds which put AoE at the forefront we can determine the AoE/s of each together. This is your main AT so I would imagine you'll do a better job at the builds than I and we would both have to see them anyway.


Actually I think I am getting caught up in the moment here. I already know Warshade Nova is superior to Peacebringer Nova and that Peacebringer Dwarf for Tanking purposes is superior to Warshade Dwarf XD. I've been comparing human form.

So it's wrong to come across as confrontational even though it is stating the obvious, we can even create several links to prove the obvious?

And in those links we can also show where you have been confrontational towards others

Crumbs one rule for you and one rule for me. I guess you don't like being on the recieving end.

I'll look at that when I come back from MacDonalds if it your builds, are still there. I basically have excel near plug and play now. It wouldn't take me long but I am starving.

I don't know what you mean by PB number.

Bare in mind I was comparing your two human forms you gave me. You can compare them yourself for AoE potential over time. For Tri Form I have 2 non IO setted builds as the game is balanced on SOs. If you wanted to or already had we could look at what you would consider two top end builds that get the best aoes I can look at them and you can look at them so that we are looking at the same thing.

I am still inclined to say that AoE IO sets that reduce KB and do not have the same level of damage buff as other sets can have people fix their PB through choice or any other AT universally. The KB adds survivability but then doesn't as it can still add fight duration through dispersion.

When I look at figures I take into account (AoE*#of targets)/s.

So a PB could spam the hell out of Solar Flare hitting 10 targets. Overtime the total damage adds up. Total damage potential of the WS and PB are compared.

No. I neither think they under perform or overperform, I was worried that they can be helped to over perform by too much. In working out potential average dps between two builds that did take their aoes as opposed to using a pb biased st in mind. The ws fell behind the PB if you remove the damage to dps a PBs kb can create but given solid use of dark extractions the ws pulled forward once again. The Dark Extractions as they are, are necessary

Fluffies are relevant to a WS performance and necessary. Getting them to cone as much as possible is also necessary to compete with a PB without KB taken into account. If you take the KB into account, displacing mobs, then the DE don't need to cone attack every time it could.


No as I have farmed and kept them alive myself.

Looking at AIBs build which I like he might farm in Dwarf in which case that's the easiest way to keep the DE alive but I do not feel that sitting in Dwarf form is the way to get the best DPS out of a WS.

Unlike you, they don't appear to brag about things. If they wanted me to see them farm and take data, I don't feel confident if I would be getting anything better than I already have got.

The results here do depend on the builds. The Peacebringer used for this might of skipped an AoE which will have a maximum amount of targets and a frequency of use.

THB gave me two top end builds months ago the likes of which I have to say are actually fantastic human form builds. I said no one else will see them and no one else has from me anyway. I did put these builds into excel. Included pets, included buffs, included everything needed basically. I also did one for pure Warshades and Peacebringers on simple SOs.

I ordered the attacks in order of ST DPA, I then multiplied them by maximum number of targets, reordered them again. Attack chained them between either every second Sunless Mire or Photon Seeker deployment so not some simple straight attack chain but one using the best attack when it came up. I also got the average damage buff of Innerlight bang on.

Between Photon Seekers only 5 attacks needed to be used. Between Every Sunless Mire 5 attacks were used, Dark Extraction and Unchained Essence were used once between 2 Sunless Mires.

It assumed that Dark Extractions hit with their single target attacks and their cone attacks as often as possible. The idea of me watching people farm was to see on average what people achieve in reality, to calm the average DPS figure of Dark Extraction down. The PB in reality won't achieve the DPS figures it has shown on my Excel due to displacing mobs out of line of fire of it's other attacks once a KB is used, it won't also because of the number of non attacking clicks used to self sustain itself.

Within the right team and with the right team dynamics ie with a controller with immobs that do -KB the PB looks like it could be made to perform better but team make ups are not always a given or players will not always capitalize on the best team dynamic.

All calcs are always going to be rough. The game is going to be updated based upon Devs datamining (basing things upon what the players actually achieve) and so the playing field changes making the goal posts move in ways people may or may not agree with, with concept design in mind that players may or may not truly see.

To cut out long story nonsense, I will state the obvious, performance is different per person. All those with problems with PBs will highlight them, all those without will be silent. The Devs to my mind are going to look at things like leveling speed etc.

In my view things are arguably okay, new IO sets could tone down AoE KB and AoE damage output for PBs and PBs will still be okay. People can change their build through choice.

You know what, I apologize.

You're moving to the beat of your own drum. Good.

I wonder what else you will reluctantly realize over time. I am predicting that you might come around to other peoples way of thinking, as you slowly are anyway.

A standing 2.5s advantage is a good ballpark minimum however you are using powers like 1k cuts I take it, a 3.5s cast which means a 3.5s end rec. Long cast times allow for end recovery making and you also have consume. One day someone you might of been able to save had you not been locked into a long cast time might make you think of cutting some combos out. In cutting combos out you might come down to BF>Attack Vitals as best. You might take fiery embrace, you might even take haste. The crushing impacts could be swapped to kinetic combats. What's slotted in Burn now you might see as best elsewhere. You might incarnate and lose the need for consume.

Overtime you might reluctantly come around before someone else with Fire/DB joins your team and does all the things you can not.

I don't recall Dechs talk about farming with his Warshade or AIB. I'd only ask those of whom I would recall talking about it. Builds are one thing, being practised is another.