Great man!
Thanks alot!
=D
@Igneos
Justice Server
I have two /Mace tanks, and I would NOT recommend dropping Shatter. It's got the second highest damage after Clobber, has a fairly wide and deep cone, and does very reliable KD. I'd skip Pulverize or even JB instead.
I suspect you're taking all the ST attacks to slot KCs for S/L defense, but IMO it's not worth it, the loss of AoE damage will be significant.
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It was a quick build for a friend to give him an idea. I am not very familiar with WM so any advise be most welcome fin. I just took my WP/SS and switched out the secondary to WM and filled in the slots real quick.
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Originally Posted by Finduilas
I have two /Mace tanks, and I would NOT recommend dropping Shatter. It's got the second highest damage after Clobber, has a fairly wide and deep cone, and does very reliable KD. I'd skip Pulverize or even JB instead.
I suspect you're taking all the ST attacks to slot KCs for S/L defense, but IMO it's not worth it, the loss of AoE damage will be significant. |
Seeing as it's a Justice player.
I think it's always good to look at many samples. I do have a Willpower Mace but it doesn't look like this (never do my actual personal choices end up on show). This is just to provide another sample which often does in the archetype sections get lost with other samples. The person interested is free to mix whatever samples or take one persons build on board.
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He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
thx for all the imput guys.
this is my 1st tank ever, hence asking LSK for help..
I changed the build to increase defenses, not bothering with lethal/smashing, but after those posts, will tweak this one badly.. here it goes:
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Zero Shift i23: Level 50 Mutation Tanker
Primary Power Set: Willpower
Secondary Power Set: War Mace
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(5), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(7), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(7), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 1: Bash -- MotTanker-Acc/Dmg(A), MotTanker-Rchg/Res%(25), MotTanker-Dmg/Rchg(31), MotTanker-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), MotTanker-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), MotTanker-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 2: Mind Over Body -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(3), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(3), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(5), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(40)
Level 4: Fast Healing -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(9), Numna-Heal/Rchg(9), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Numna-Heal(11), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(13)
Level 6: Pulverize -- OvForce-Acc/Dmg(A), OvForce-Acc/Dmg/End(15), OvForce-Dmg/End/Rech(15), OvForce-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(40), OvForce-End/Rech(46)
Level 8: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 10: Jawbreaker -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(43), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(45), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 12: Rise to the Challenge -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(13)
Level 14: Fly -- Winter-ResSlow(A)
Level 16: Quick Recovery -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(17), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(17), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(48)
Level 18: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(19), LkGmblr-Rchg+(19), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(21)
Level 20: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt/Rng(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(21), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(23), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(23), Mocking-Rchg(25)
Level 22: Clobber -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(37), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40)
Level 24: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Tough -- Aegis-Psi/Status(A), Aegis-ResDam(27), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(27)
Level 28: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(29), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(29)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(33), SW-ResDam/Re TP(33)
Level 32: Whirling Mace -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(34), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(34), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34)
Level 35: Strength of Will -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(36), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(36), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Build Up -- Rec'dRet-ToHit(A), Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(39), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 41: Crowd Control -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Erad-Acc/Rchg(42), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(42), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(43), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(43)
Level 44: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(45)
Level 47: Focused Accuracy -- Rec'dRet-ToHit(A), Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(48), GSFC-Build%(48)
Level 49: Physical Perfection -- RgnTis-Regen+(A), Heal-I(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Panac-Heal/+End(A), Panac-Heal(31)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-End%(31), EndMod-I(50)
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@Igneos
Justice Server
It would help to know what your priorities and goals are with this build, Igneos, but I do see a number of things I'd bring up as someone who also has multiple */WM tanks at 50.
1) Absolutely agree about getting Shatter in the build. It's a great attack and not something I would skip. I recommend skipping Pulverize instead, as previously mentioned.
2) Rise to the Challenge is very underslotted. This is one of the key Willpower powers and I would free up more slots to invest here.
3) Not bothering with Smashing/Lethal Defense... why not? It's the most common damage type in the game, and it sounds the decision not to softcap S/L was a deliberate one. I don't really understand the reasoning behind that decision.
4) Gladiator's Armor: +3% Defense. You're already using Panacea and Shield Wall (the latter of which I'm not sure is really doing you much good, but that's your choice), so it looks like you can afford an expensive build. I'd work in the Glad proc to get some more Defense across the board.
5) Indomitable Will could use a bit more love in enhancing the Psionic Defense (or at the very least, a +5 in boosters on the LOTG you have slotted there). This power is a big part of why Willpower traditionally does fairly well against psi and you'll want to give it a bit more enhancing to get that performance out of the build.
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You guys are totally right, thats why I said "will tweak this build badly".
I have several brutes and even an scrapper. I love doing high damage (my main is an fire/fire brute) and killing things fast.
But, I understand that tanks primary function is not damage, so I picked Willpower (never had one) because it seems, overall, the set with most combined things to survive. With that being said, I want to tank everything, and be the best tank possible.
I have underestimated the softcap previously, because its natural hi resistance in those elements (wich I now see as an mistake).
Before this thread I was very lost in the build, since I had no experience with the power choices, or even the AT itself.
So what do you suggest as RttC slotting?
Edit: I see you all with multiple /WM tanks, any special reason? Am I underestimating it? I pretty much picked to fit in the character background..
Thanks for putting the time to help me with this every1!
@Igneos
Justice Server
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First off as for /WM I really have 1 of those and it is a low lvl toon. But for RttC I usually go with 2 or 3 numas, and a Taunt IO to help with migration since its aura is one of the weakest. ( think SR is weaker then WP got to check). But for the other ppl that had posted they have more experience in /WM so I would head there words of wisdom. I have had trouble before and both fin, and new dawn helped me out with my builds to make them better.
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Originally Posted by sandman_z
You guys are totally right, thats why I said "will tweak this build badly".
I have several brutes and even an scrapper. I love doing high damage (my main is an fire/fire brute) and killing things fast. But, I understand that tanks primary function is not damage, so I picked Willpower (never had one) because it seems, overall, the set with most combined things to survive. With that being said, I want to tank everything, and be the best tank possible. I have underestimated the softcap previously, because its natural hi resistance in those elements (wich I now see as an mistake). Before this thread I was very lost in the build, since I had no experience with the power choices, or even the AT itself. So what do you suggest as RttC slotting? Edit: I see you all with multiple /WM tanks, any special reason? Am I underestimating it? I pretty much picked to fit in the character background.. Thanks for putting the time to help me with this every1! |
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Willpower is a jack-of-all-trades set, having a bit of Defense, a bit of Resistance and a bit of Regeneration. To be a really good tanker, you want to shore each of those up as much as possible. Taking Tough gives you a hand in the Resistance department (Shield Wall helps too, but 3% Resistance isn't as big a deal as 3% Defense can be). Rise to the Challenge gives you scaling Regeneration with the number of enemies in range, and if you build up to softcap Defense with Inventions you've got a very solid character. Since the Defense you get from the set (i.e. from Heightened Senses) is typed, you'll want to build on that to get to S/L/E/N softcap. |
Originally Posted by sandman_z
I have underestimated the softcap previously, because its natural hi resistance in those elements (wich I now see as an mistake).
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Before this thread I was very lost in the build, since I had no experience with the power choices, or even the AT itself.
So what do you suggest as RttC slotting? |
However, despite its weak taunt strength, RttC is a key part of your survivability and you want the Heal and EnduranceReduction elements of it well-enhanced.
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Originally Posted by sandman_z
Edit: I see you all with multiple /WM tanks, any special reason? Am I underestimating it? I pretty much picked to fit in the character background..
Thanks for putting the time to help me with this every1! |
This is the second reason.
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So what do you suggest as RttC slotting?!
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This does entirely rest upon the rest of the entire build. In my suggestion I skipped QR I think, believing it to be a non essential as my attack chain + recovery would more or less even out. So I slotted the +rec, +hp others will slot +regen, +hp. I wouldn't miss 1hps and because they do have QR they wouldn't miss the +rec. Whatever I skipped QR for and it was to accommodate LSKs choice of epic and still tank well in my own eyes. If end is a problem then maybe just taking some incarnate will sort it out. Got to look as far as the eye can see.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
Well, this was very helpfull indeed.
Once more, thank you all for showing me the way...
=]
@Igneos
Justice Server
Here is a sample build for u
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.96
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Igneus: Level 50 Mutation Tanker
Primary Power Set: Willpower
Secondary Power Set: War Mace
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Pyre Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Mind Over Body -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(3), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(3), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(5), RctvArm-ResDam(5)
Level 1: Bash -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(9)
Level 2: High Pain Tolerance -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(11), RctvArm-ResDam(11), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(13), Numna-Heal(25), Numna-Heal/Rchg(25)
Level 4: Fast Healing -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(13), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(15)
Level 6: Jawbreaker -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(15), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(17), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 8: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(17)
Level 10: Pulverize -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(23), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(23), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 12: Rise to the Challenge -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Numna-Heal(21), Taunt-I(21)
Level 14: Fly -- Winter-ResSlow(A)
Level 16: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(27), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(27)
Level 18: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(29), LkGmblr-Def(29), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 20: Taunt -- Zinger-Taunt(A), Zinger-Taunt/Rchg(31), Zinger-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(31), Zinger-Acc/Rchg(31), Zinger-Taunt/Rng(33), Zinger-Dam%(33)
Level 22: Clobber -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(33), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(34), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 24: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 26: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-EndRdx(36), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(36), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(36)
Level 28: Build Up -- Rec'dRet-ToHit(A), Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(37), RechRdx-I(37)
Level 30: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(37), LkGmblr-Def(39), LkGmblr-Rchg+(39)
Level 32: Strength of Will -- RctvArm-EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(40), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(40), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(42)
Level 35: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 38: Crowd Control -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(42), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(43), C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(45)
Level 41: Char -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(45)
Level 44: Fire Blast -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(46), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(46)
Level 47: Fire Ball -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Dmg/Rng(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Dmg(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Flight(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Panac-Heal/+End(40)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A)
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