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Quote:Exactly the same thing I do.Originally Posted by Roderick
Also, when I'm just crafting one recipe, I routinely add 2-3 extra zeroes to the "Current going price" for low-priced salvage, just to make sure I get it, instead of having to cancel and rebid a half dozen times just to find the right price. No screw up there at all. After all, it's common salvage. In 2 minutes, my bid won't even be on the list any more.
1k, 100k, makes no nevermind to me- I just want to get my junk and be on my way. In a world where you log in one day and find 900m in your tray, what's the point of sweating the small stuff. =P
heheheee! must be something in the air.Quote:Goat: I'm guessing it was the same guy who did this:
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Quote:Your definition is so broad as to be meaningless.Originally Posted by MeanNVicious
All I'm really trying to say is manipulation is real.
THE PRICE FLOOR GOES UP.Quote:You clearly state that the price goes up.
THAT IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A GENERAL PRICE INCREASE.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS VERY SIMPLE POINT?
No it isn't.Quote:However as you state the price go up. That is what you have said and agreed to.
Cool story, bro.Quote:Question & Simplified (but real) example :
- A low volume item. 10 Present on the market.
- You buy them all between 8 and 15 million.
- You relist at 35 million each.
- Someone decides they need one at that moment. Pays 35 million.
- They have now paid ~25'ish million more than they would have before you acted.
** You just changed the price on that item for that person. The price was increased.
Totally irrelevant to the current discussion, but cool.
You and AF make such a smashing couple I'd feel bad not adding you to my ignore list. Have fun in there ignoring clear statements in favor of spinning your own fantasy conversations. -
Quote:I'm not picky!Originally Posted by Man_From_AUNTIE
I am @Man_From_AUNTIE, of course I mainly just read the feed, not much interaction on my part.
FOLLOWED. -
I was poking around but finding forumites using their tools was less than ideal.
So, post handles here for a follow &/or suggest good videogame related accounts for me to check out.
TIA! -
y'know I often 'manipulate the markets' by selling a bunch of drops after an evening of play.
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Quote:That's not what I'm saying, but have fun making up stories.Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
And thanks for your brilliant insight
Again... still no compelling reason to NOT implement a name purge except for this elusive customer who is going to maybe return years later and maybe be upset he lost his "uber" name and maybe not just play as premium and not invest 1 cent in this game - that's a lot of maybes and guessing. -
Quote:The irony of posting this on an Internet forum is genuinely delightful.Originally Posted by Matuse
I greatly dislike how humans are basically treated as idiot vermin without any creativity or personality.
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Quote:So do current subscribers.Originally Posted by BrandX
They also provide the possibility of no future revenue.
Unless you think nobody ever cancels an account?
But thanks for the brilliant insight. -
Quote:Well, who can pass up the opportunity to dip into 3 or 4 power pools just so you can spend slightly less time held, stunned & faceplanted?Originally Posted by Tater Todd
Another_Fan can you explain to me why I would want to roll a Blaster rather than a Dominator or corruptor?
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Quote:Yes, that's a great tip someone brought up earlier when I whined about drawing the dreaded "three rescues" in a round of Scanner Roulette.Originally Posted by Quinch
Here's a tip - you can now abandon and retake missions. Thus, if you want, you can mash the abandon and ask-about-missions button in a savescumming frenzy until it it places the mission door somewhere more acceptable. I use it liberally to "cluster" my missions in as few zones as possible so I don't have to constantly shuttle my team all over the place.
But I hadn't thought of using it to shuffle mission doors- I can see that being a great timesaver esp. at the lower levels.
Son's first request this morning after breakfast was that we "visit" Lightning Bee. Logged her in & ran the Habashy arc with him on my lap- he liked it a bunch, especially the infiltration mission where you get disguised as a Hellion. He's a sucker for disguises & unusual maps.
Finished it up and he offered up a contact I hadn't seen before, Sondra Costel. So I took that one.
Really fun little arc!
Simple but with a couple of neat twists. My son especially liked the one where you're "watching" the reporter via video camera, I was tickled by the finale, where you have to jump up on a bunch of boxes to get at the boss. Little touches like that really dress up an otherwise straightforward mission.
We ended up level 5, so I headed for the trainer, grabbed FLY and turned him loose to cruise around the zone while I did the dishes.
A bit later he toddled in and said
"Uh, dada? I met some guys, and now we're in the host-a-bul."
"That's fine, we'll get them next time."
"Okay!"
I'm really liking Electric Control so far, although (predictably) Gale from her storm secondary is his favorite.
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Quote:How is not jacking the names of inactive players being treated "better" than me? It seems we both enjoy the same protections, which is as it should be.Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Actually, they aren't. By trying to treat former customers better than currently active players they are devaluing the importance of active players.
Why are you pretending an account being inactive is a permanent state?Quote:Active players buy stuff on the market. Active players subscribe. Active players provide other players with human interaction. Inactive players provide nothing if they aren't up to date subscribers.
It's not.
Inactive players provide the possibility of future revenue, which while not as arousing as current revenue is still several rungs up the ladder from "nothing". -
Quote:Here's the bit you either didn't read or failed to grasp, with the relevant lines in gold:Originally Posted by MeanNVicious
Apparently not as I'm overly successful.
So no, flippers aren't "just" driving up the price- that's complete rubbish.Quote:They raise the price floor and lower the price ceiling while increasing the supply of whatever they're working with- I think it's safe to assume all that underpriced stuff would otherwise vanish off the market. I've always said this is a social good, but even the most jaundiced observer would be hard pressed to say it was a negative.
Whatever financial harm we presume is being inflicted on bargain hunters at the low end is more than compensated for by dampening price escalation and spiking at the high end.
If you're going to pretend flipping is "manipulation", then so is buying and selling.Quote:I did clarify a thought that flipping is a part of manipulation but not the entirety of it.
When you broaden definitions to that degree they cease being useful or meaningful terms for informed conversation.
Given your comically broad definition of "manipulated" this information is value free.Quote:Can the market be manipulated for profit ? Yes. A LOT of profit.
Can it be done consistently ? Yes.
Have I done it ? Yes, yes, and oh my yes. -
okay, best laid plans and all that.
meant to hit Graves' arc with Scab Factory, ended up running the first episode of the villain SSA with Night Bee instead. Logged her in to check on a few bids, noticed she was close to leveling but didn't have any interesting contacts in her bar, then thought "Say, wait a minute!"
Overall, I had a blast. Really fun, I think I liked it more than the hero edition on the strength of the final mission. The maps and gameplay were basically a repeat, but I didn't mind. The storyline was different and that kept it fresh. And the final mission, with getting to steal Synapse's powers & lay the smackdown on a parade of heroes and all, was great.
Five stars, would play again.
Son wanted to check out Lightning Bee before bed, but he was really tired and acting nuts so I told him we'd 'visit' her in the morning after breakfast. -
Quote:There's no "manipulation" going on, unless you define it as "buying low & selling high", which renders the term meaningless.Originally Posted by MeanNVicious
IMO flipping is just another form of manipulation.
Nonsense.Quote:As A_F noted you are just driving up the price.
Re-read my post then check back here when you find the gigantic, gaping hole in your statement.
hint: you're ignoring an entire half of what successful flippers do. -
Quote:effort = resources.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Well technically it doesn't cost the company anything to do either. The cost of the storage space for the characters in question was paid off long ago, and the cost to develop the script to free up the names was also paid off long ago.
What it boils down to is whether or not the devs think it's worth the effort to run the script again, and from their responses to us they don't, and they don't plan on running it at any time in the forseeable future. -
Quote:How do you know that?Originally Posted by Snow Globe
As another poster mentioned, the line needs to be drawn at whether the customer is valuable or not. After 3+ years, they aren't valuable....
Oh right, you don't.
Which they are, by not wasting resources on jacking their customers names.Quote:...and the developers should focus on keeping active subscribers as they are more valuable. -
Quote:Actually, generally considered to be a creative high point of its era.Originally Posted by BrandX
Also consider by many to be a terrible comic.
But nice try. -
as a grizzled veteran of many a flipping thread over the years I'll make another stab at clarifying this to the point where even myopic, blinkered players with severe cataracts can figure it out:
Flippers are, as Uber notes, profiting off pre-existing volatility.
They buy junk at the low end (underpriced stuff) & recirculate it.
To ensure the brisk turnover necessary to keep the machine humming happily along, they re-list at a price point well behind the high end (overpriced stuff).
They raise the price floor and lower the price ceiling while increasing the supply of whatever they're working with- I think it's safe to assume all that underpriced stuff would otherwise vanish off the market. I've always said this is a social good, but even the most jaundiced observer would be hard pressed to say it was a negative.
Whatever financial harm we presume is being inflicted on bargain hunters at the low end is more than compensated for by dampening price escalation and spiking at the high end.
a 'last 5' that looks like this would be catnip to a flipper:
5000
60,000
4000
60,000
80,000
they'd likely drop a few stacks of bids at 6-8k and re-list somewhere around 20-30k. It wouldn't be surprising to check back a while later and see the last 5 looking like this:
10,000
45,000
40,000
55,000
10,000
As the Luck Charmers demonstrated you can drive flippers out of a niche by consciously narrowing the price point, buying above & selling below their limits until you end up with an item selling for more or less exactly what it's "worth".
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Quote:I haven't seen that, but whatever.Originally Posted by Antigonus
A lot of people have stated that Acrobatics and/or IOs have had little to no effect on performance.
Their impact is irrelevant because the "average" player isn't going to take them and in the case of IOs may not even know they exist.
Besides which ATs should be balanced without recourse to exterior systems.
Mez is very definitely a problem with the AT.Quote:what they don't seem to understand is that if people are taking and using the tools already provided but not seeing any significant improvement in performance, it could very well indicate that the problem isn't really mez like they thought. That's the point I'm trying to get across to people.
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Quote:Like, fer instance....Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Do you really want to go there Brand?
Super Hero Comics have a long tradition of creating heroes with odd, satirical, or down right silly names.
a silly name two-fer!
I pointed out the large % of words of French derivation some while back, so that at least can't surprise our language purist. =PQuote:First off I have to ask if you are aware that 80% of the English language has it's origins in foreign languages. -
Here's how the overwhelming majority of people play this game:
They make a character that sounds like fun, select powers that sound cool, they never look at the forums, they have no idea what "Mids" is, they slot whatever they can buy at the store & they largely experience the game world firsthand, without engaging forums or wikis or whatever.
The existence of things like pricey IOs and inobvious pool powers that potentially help ameliorate some of the mez problem for blasters isn't relevant to their experience of the game.
As noted, I've deleted more blasters than anything else- it's an AT I *want* to like, but it's an AT that's mostly un-likable unless you put in a lot of work.
I'm here to have fun and don't find playing ATs that *have* to take boring pool powers & *have* to invest in specialist IOs enjoyable in the least.
Saying mez sucks more for blasters than any other AT and that I've subsequently deleted a truckload of them over the years doesn't overstate anything- that's my game experience. -
Quote:I've been distracted by this and that, but logged Scab Factory in last night and talked to Graves. Hopefully tonight!Originally Posted by Arctic Man
Did you get around to Dr. Graves' final arc yet? Looking forward to your report on that one...
I crossed some kind of gaming Rubicon this morning with my son- he "created" his first character, more or less.
His favorite character right now is Night Bee, appropriately enough as he thought up her name. When he was younger & stayed up later I'd take him to the store with me after work. Our usual store had one particular light with an iffy transformer or something and it buzzed REALLY loudly. As the lights were only on at night and there was no buzzing during the day he decided that it came from "the Night Bees!"
Which inspired me to make the character.
Cut to now, when he calls her 'Lightning Bee', appropriately enough as elec is her primary. This morning he caught himself and said "oh wait, I mean Night Bee". I asked if he wanted to make a new character called Lightning Bee, and he said "yeah!"
She turned out surprisingly well, considering I was asking a toddler what he liked and letting him pick the colors. "Do you want a man or a lady? What kind of hat do you want? Do you like this coat?" Once we got the basic outfit picked (witch hat, Elemental Order jacket, tights, Jester boots, Celestial wings) I'd select the different items and let him pick the colors he wanted.
I'll post a screen one of these days.
AT is controller (figured he wouldn't mind the pace & it would keep him safe), hero side (he likes "saving" people) powers are electric & storm.
He was disappointed he couldn't fly right off (he had wings, after all), so I think I'll do a little PL'ing tonight and pick up Fly before he "plays" her again. -
Quote:This is on my psi/psi blaster who I played for a bit when the set was fresh then totally forgot about until the other night. He was totally unslotted (one of my Respec Binge characters I guess) and I've been slowly re-equipping him over the past few days, which is when I spotted what looked like a steady earning niche for low level fly IOs.Originally Posted by Ironblade
OMG! You don't turn off those annoying pop-ups on the right side of the screen?!?!?!
Anyway, I usually turn them off, but he's just been parked at the university making use of /ah + handy crafting stations so I haven't yet.
As much junk as I've sold on the market over the years I'd have expected to get one of these WHOOPS! sales before now. I've had a couple of obvious mistakes over the years, but it's always been pretty low stakes, bidding 1m instead of 1k, or 5m instead of 500k.Quote:Originally Posted by Wicked_Wendy
Congratulations and welcome to the wonderul world of "Holy Sh&%^$%^^ I added too many zeros!"
I have had this happen to me once .. Not as profitably as you but I did get 100 Mil for an item selling for and advertised for 10 Mil. Since it was impossible to locate the poor individual that simply could not stop hitting 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ... I donated the extra 90 mil to help feed and clothe poor neglected heroes still in those lower levels.. In other words I gave the extra cash to my low level alts.
I'd be willing to bet this happens quite a bit and there are probably quite a few players that are either the poor soul that added a zero to many or the lucky one that collected a TON more than expected for a sale.
This is the first massive screw-up that's come my way.
Assuming the lucky winner doesn't show up here I'll need to do something with the inf...it seems churlish to just pitch it into the Crazy 88's Infcinerator. Maybe I'll toss in another 100m and hold a costume contest with 1b in prizes.... -
Quote:Indeed- someone noticing a flipper at work is the beginning of the end of their niche.Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Most people do not consider any change to the markets to be "manipulation." Manipulation usually indicates a specific intent to cause a specific market reaction. Flippers actually often intend the opposite: they hope their impact on the market will be low enough for them to continue the activity indefinitely.
Flippers work best within the flow of the market- buy at the low-ish end of whatever natural price fluctuation is and sell a bit behind the leading edge. It rarely pays to try and "push" the price because whatever inflation you achieve takes a fair amount of work AND draws attention to you niche, neither of which is ideal for the marketeer in question. -
Fess up!
On the off chance you'd like a refund, send me a screenshot of your "winning" bid and I'll keep the 1m I was aiming for and email you the rest.
=D