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In my case it's not as simple as saying "All farming is bad".

However excessive farming & PLing to the point where when a new person joins the game in Atlas just to see reams and reams of "Farm farm farm" and can get from 1-20 in an hour or 2 without moving from the MA (thus missing out on the learning experience of teaming and doing normal missions) is so badly flawed that the game could be said to be plain broken.

Also at the moment the Risk/Reward trade-off is so hopeless broken towards Reward it's just not funny.

I'd love to see a valid argument as to why allowing a new person to join the game, ignore all the content the devs have crafted over the last 5 years and hit 50 in 8 hours mindlessly grinding (or more like mindless stand there while a Vet or two grind) the one mission Rikti spawnfest over and over can be seen as anyway good for the game?

Like I said if Vets / experienced people want to farm / PL then fair enough, within reason. Maps packed full of relatively harmless spawns of level 53 Rikti (my level 24 SOed Brute could withstand them for the most part, which is ridiculous for the XP they award) who are generally nothing more than bags of excessive XP/Tickets is not "within reason" IMO.

The title of this thread is "Too much farming", not "All farmers are the ebil and must be wiped out", that's my stand on it too.


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Pretty much the way i feel about farming.
I did farm villain side before I14 , i think we all know which map.
Almost all people on those farms were players with more than 12 month vet rewrads , most of them over 30 months.
I dont mind if players with many chars and playing the game for years who did all the content, pl their others toons to 50 just because they dont want to do all the content for the 20th time.

I CANT understand and i dont think its good if new players who havent done all the content in the game ge pl to 50.

I did do some MA farms i admit and i check the badges of every person in those farms, most of the have 4 month ot 6 month vet rewards if any at all.
Hardly enough time to exlore all the content in the game.

If vet players pl a char to 50 most of them know how the char is played.
But i really annoys me when i see a growing number of relatively new players with 40-50 chars who ask "silly" questions that show they have no clue at all how even the basics of the game work.

Maybe i should blame the vet players who invite "noobs" to farms and allow them to leech their way up to 50 in one day.

If i farm i farm with people i know and played with for a long time, mostly to help them try out a new build.
If someone asks me to join i check the badges if he/she doesnt have more than 12 month vet bage i wont let him leech.
If someone just doorsits even if he could help he is kicked

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Just a second... isn't the 3rd icon on power tray #3 the portable workbench accolade? Those 8 hrs included the time to gather and craft all those many, many CIOs?

And what were you just about to type what when CoH crashed... I can't quite make out that word on the screeny..

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Its the icon for the 36 months veteran pet :-)

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You know why it's so easy to Perma Rage with just 3 generic SOs...

...because the set was built around it, SS damage outside of the rage buff isn't all that great, infact because it's smashing which it seems like everyone and their dog resists except robots, you're not going to be hitting hard anyway.

The whole set was designed around perma-rage, it's why it has the annoying crash in it...yes they could drop the -def which does hurt some sets more than others, a /WP tanker isn't going to feel the defense debuff half as much as an Ice tanker would do.

I takes a LOT of inf and +recharge in order to get Rage to stack for anywhere beyond 10 seconds when you're solo, now with buffs you have longer periods of double Rage BUT then you can say the same thing for 8 x AM buffs that a Rad/X superteam has, due to the magnitude of buffs AM is effectively perma.

Also Controller damage is fine as IS it's just the combination of Fire and Kin that make it go into farming territory.

Here's a little fact, have you played a Fire/Kin through the early levels, soloing with one is like pulling teeth, infact soloing with any controller is like that, I've gotten my fire/Kin up to 14 and soloing with her is so painful I'm probably just going to delete her, I can't be bothered to wait 38 levels until she becomes good (meanwhile my Dark/Dark corruptor has remained steadly good for the last 19 levels). It's not until they get their pets and Transference that they actually become AoE damage gods.

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Well Battle Axe and Dualblades is lethal which is even more resisted, stone meele and warmace is smashing too....

There has to be a reason why SS doesnt get ported to scrappers, maybe its because it would be way to overpowered on them like many people claim in many threads.


As for kin/fire trollers, the damg cap lowering would only really adress this combo, which btw only really shines in big teams or doing farm maps anyway, since you need big spawns for fulcrum shift to turn you into a killing machine.

Without big spawns fulcrum shif isnt that great and you wont reach the damg cap of 300%.
So lowering the damg cap to 200% would only really adress farmers or trollers in big teams who act as main damg dealer.

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Even mind/empathy would suffer, if they where teamed with a kineticist. This is a multiplayer game, remember?

I also vote no to any global nerfs to counter farming. It just doesn't work. If farming causes a problem for the economy, then it is the economy that needs to be fixed. If you just don't like people farming, get of your high horse. It's thier money, let them enjoy themseleves how they like.

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I dont like people farming cause its bad for the game.
Will people leave in masses when they notice they cant farm as good as before, i doubt it.

But for new players it depressing to see the prizes on the market that gone up like no tomorrow because of farming, and they realize they need a year to afford some sets.
or they are forced to make a farming char just to get the inf they need to io out the char they really want to play and pimp out.

I dont mind if people play as they like as long as it has no negative impact on the game as a whole, but excessive farming does have a negative impact since it destroys the economy.

If you want to PvP your almost forced to farm very often just to be able to buy some sets that let you compete with others.

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Farmings been part of CoH for as long as I've been playing (started Feb 05) and to be honest i haven't seen a massive increase in it maybe slightly but i think much of the perceived increase is because people are more vocal about it now (be they for or against it)

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MA made farming much easier, before I14 only spefific builds were good farmers, now you can make maps with huge amounts of mobs that are no threat to you and die very fast.

Bedore I14 farming a map took much longer and the risk of getting killed was much higher.

Villainside there were TWO farm maps before I14 and those maps had the most annoying mob in the game, only very few specific builds were able to farm.

Now i can make a map in 5 min that gives more xp/inf per mob, is much faster to complete and has much easier mobs in it.

I get invites and tells to join or make farms all the time, i do know that before I14 i didnt get even half as many.

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I play my main which is a Mind/Emp. I don't farm, never did and never will. He was created in Issue 5, and was soloed until level 35(ish). I take a lot of time to kill anything that comes up against it. I've already suffered through a nerf to Psionic Tornado because, apparently, it was being misused by players.

I don't want to be nerfed again, in any way, because of the way other people choose to play the game they are paying for. So, leave well enough alone, mind your Ps and Qs, and once more... no, a thousand times no.

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Aehm well i guess you didnt get what lowring the damg cap means then.

Cause as mind/empathy you wouldnt be nerfed at all.
It would only lower the effect of huge damg buffs like fulcrumshift etc, which puts the damg on par with pure damg classes, which isnt intended.

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I have two-shotted EB's with my AS before.

cry some moar

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Most likely a brute with full fury could have done the same.

To the above poster concerning trollers.

Yes some trollers are mean killing machines, and the lowring the damg cap would only affect those specific killing machine farm combos.

If your not playing those specific builds lowring the cap wont touch you.
If you playing those builds you wont be affected until you fight huge spawns made for big teams that gives your secondary the chance to buff your damg into crazy lvls.

If you fight such huge spawns solo its most likely that you farm, if your in a team doing normal missions your main role as a troller isnt intended to be main damg dealer but crowd control/buff/debuff.

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1) Getting rid of farming will never happen. Dont make other suffer to try and hit a minority. /Unsigned

3) Again, stop trying to harm others to harm farmers. All you will do is screw things up. /Unsigned

6) (Or 7, seeing as you missed 6.)
Stalkers are not meant to be, nor ever were meant to be, the same as Brutes/Scrappers. They are totally different ATs, with massively different styles. Stalkers have low end costs and hide capabilities. Brutes have mass hitting powers, but need the Fury bar and have high end cost attacks. /Unsigned, it works fine as is.

The above post may/may not contain Pure Opinion.

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1) Explain to me why a nerf to troller damg cap would make non farmers suffer ?
It would only really affect THE troller farm combo, all other trollers wont be affected at all.

Of course you cant get rid of farming alltogether, but atm the whole game suffers cause all people do is MA farm missions. Tf/sf are hardly ever been run these days.

Its hard to deny that 90% of all broadcast tells are, looking for farmteam, farm team looking for more etc.
It wasnt this bad before I14

While some pots contain oure opinion like mine do too, your totally wrong about point 6.

Stalkers and brutes hav EXACTLY the same end cost on their attacks, so much for low end cost on stalkers.....
Even the secondaries the ATs have in common have EXACTLY the same end cost for all 3.
So brutes dont have ANY higher end cost than stalker at all.

Furthermore their end cost is very likely much lower if you compare that you have aoe attacks in most brute sets which allow you to kill many mobs much more end efficient than killing them one by one like a stalker.

Take into account that Regen and Wp for stalkers lack the end recovery brute and scrapper get.

So its not an opinion to say stalkers have lower end cost than scrappers or brutes its simply wrong.

Only thing stalkers have is AS which is lousy compared to the damg brutes and scrappers can dish out.


Sure AS almost 1 shots a lt but only with buildup, and you need to be hidden to do it, it takes 3 sec animation which can be interrupted.
Almost all brute primaries have an ST attack that kills a lt in one shot at full fury without having to hide and using an interruptible attack like AS.

As for fury unless the brute player isnt a total noob you can build 90% fury with 6 mobs.

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They are in English. And this should be in the Suggestions section.

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Ups right sry hope a mod moves it to suggestions.

My forum is in french, no idea why, not the posts, but the descriptions like search, post, explanations etc.
Its says bienvenue moghedien and repondre instead of welcome and replie etc .


Edit: Found the bug lol.....appears i14 closed beta forum did set my preferences to frech, problem solved :-)

I know most will be very unpopular but imo they would imrpove overall fun again...

1) Lower damg cap on trollers, they were never intended to be damg dealers, this would get rid some troller farming builds since they wont benefit much from dmg buffs.

2) Make tohit in rage +acc like in focussed accuracy, and either make rage unstackable or ad a 30% -regen - recovery debuff for each additional rage stacking. And no its not unfair to players with high recharge since rage is a clicky and you dont have to stack it and get the debuff.

3) Remove inf from MA missions that arent devs choice.
inf doesnt fit the theme anyway, the mobs are supposed to be hologramms, why should they give something apart from xp and tickets anyway ?
That would at least partly adress the insane abuse of the MA as easy farm maps these days.

4)Buff elusivity for defensive sets in PvP again or remove deminishing returns just for def sets, atm def sets are back to be a bad joke in PvP since everyone can hit them like there were no def at all, even without rage or foc acc.

5)Add some love to the tier 9s of pure defense sets, like SR, Ninjitsu.
Considering how easy it is to softcap defense on these, a tier9 that ads 70% def is pretty useless. Actually it only helps a tiny bit against high accuracy mobs or mobs with crazy +tohit.
Defese/resist mixed sets like WP or SD get much more out of tier9s since they really buff up survivability.
Maybe ad some +res into defense tier9s or a +regen.


7) For gods sake buff Assasin strike damg in PvE a huge amount.
Its totally stupid und beyond me, that most brutes can deal more damg with their attacks that cant be interrupted than a stalker can deal with AS.
If a whole AT is centered around a single attack like AS and therefore is more squishy than the other meele classes, that attack had to be truly outstanding in terms of damg.
As it is AS is pretty gimp compared to normal brute attcks.


Those are just my views how to improve the game a bit, so pls dont flame if you dont like them, just explain why you think it would be bad to implement those.

Btw why the hell are the forums in french now, pls change them back to english......

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and again mogh u'd prolly b wrong

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Might be the case, but of all mmorpgs i played and i played many, this is by far the game in which is farmed the most atm.

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again removing inf will have thesame problem

and no its not the most farmed game in the world atm... please take stupdity away (there are a lot bigger games than CoX globally)

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I never said its the game with the most subscribers, i said atm its prolly the game with the highest percentage of farmers.

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This'll all end with exp being removed from MA arcs.

Sad, annoying, but the only way to stop it.

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Just remove inf from MA missions, most ppl use it to farm inf not xp.
People only powerlvl some chars to lvl
50 and once they see they dont have the inf to io them, the farming will stop pretty fast.

Atm Cox is a worse farming game than any chinese mmorpg, and wont keep ppl interested very long.
With all the competition comming soon, Cox will loose many players i suppose.
MA is nice in theory but in reality it destroys the game if it stays as it is... at least for me.

No tf or sf anymore all you hear is looking for farm, its so annoying i had to log of.

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Nope Flurry damage is for real...now go check out jumpkicks damage too...

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Jumpkick damg is totally wrong in mids....
It only deals like 70 damg in pvp, tested it :-)

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That's not quite how it works according to the audio that was on massively.

There are ticket drops in place of the normal salvage &amp; recipe drops, plus a bonus at the end that depends on how many mobs you kill through the mission, so if you ghost or don't complete you get less rewards than by playing through 'properly'

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Oh ok then theres no problem :-)

I can see a problem here......

If players get always rewarded 1 ticket for a MA-mission they run, the more difficult and complex missions wont be run often, cause the time vs reward will suck, even if those missions are prolly the better ones.

Imho there will be 2 kind of often run mission, the pure XP farm missions with tons of mobs and bosses, and the
fast and very easy mission that can be done in minutes for ticket farming.
This could result in stupid uninspired mission to be top rank and not the well designed and lovely missions, players spend weeks to develop them.

Even though we disagreed on some things in the past, i appreciate your posts, since hey are informative and objective and written nicely.
I do even agree with many things you say :-)

I admit i gereralise pretty often, but often just to start an argument.
Some ppl act like i attacked or insulted them in real life just because i post my views of a stupid computergame.

I accept different opinions and sometimes i see i was wrong.

What i dont accept are insulting posts of some players who add absolutely nothing to an argument, and just post to attack ppl personally, and then i get aggressive, no matter if they insult me or others.

I can oly show respect for a person and how he/she acts in real life and how she/he behaves towards other people because that is what matters, not if someone can play a computer game well.

If ppl show me why they have a different opinion or think of something a certain way like you and some others do i appreciate it very much since i can think about the different views.

Just posting no sry you are wrong, an idiot and stupid and an idiotic child is hardly enough to argue without showing their point of view.
I wonder if those ppl act like that in real life too, since its an attitude that doesnt go well with society.

Boss:
"What is your opinion on our new product is it good or does it need more development?"

Employee:
" Your an idiot and immature and you have no sense of logic"

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I have not agreed with Fahie on any of her points.

Honestly - you need to get an adult to sit down and explain to you where you are going wrong with all your points.

You're like some kind of little mental kid that just doesn't get logic.

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Since you contradict yourself more and more with every post and get more and more absurd, its futile to reply to you anymore.

You talking bout logic is very funny......

Talking bout adults, obviously there was none around to teach you manners and logic when you neeed it.

Very mature to post insults and attack people personally without ading anything to a conversation, just because you get some weird kind of fun from it.

Since you dont agree with Fahie but defend her statements, its obious all you wanna do is troll.

At least i know how to admit when i said or did something wrong thats why i have no probs in the real world, something you still need to learn.
And therefore i withdraw from replying to you, cause i am mature enough to do so, i highly doubt you are.......

Have a nice day.

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Other AT's can get def. Your question is dumb. And I never said they were hard to kill. Why not ask the person who did?

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Havent seen any posts about SR beeing overpowered yet, or energy armor.

If you dont think they are hard to kill why do you agree with others who claim they are ?
And i ask you because you claim to know what Fahie said.

Mabye my posts are weird sometimes but yours are even more so ....

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Saying something is Godlike and almost unkillable IS NOT the same as saying something is hard to hit!

Can you grasp that very simple concept because everyone else can! Its not that hard...just try.

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Considering forts and nws dont have anything apart from def, no res no heals no nothing, any other AT cant get, your statement is very funny.
What is it that makes them godlike and unkillable then if notthe fact they are hard to hit ?

Interpret whatever you like :-)

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I'll agree there. In fact I don't think you've ever hit informative once.

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You consider your post informative, or any of your posts in this thread ?

Well aynways i wont reply to your troll posts anymore.

Have a nice day and good luck finding another thread you can post your "informative" comments. :-)

That was a very nice, informative and honest post Charnell, something i missed for a long time.

Thx a lot.

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Please show a link to the thread where Fahie said that forts and nw are almost impossible to hit.

She has already stated that you have mis-understood. &lt;removed by mod&gt;

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Maybe take a look at the:

"PvP problems and solutions thread" and actually read her posts before you post any more &lt;removed by mod&gt;?

Dont pretend you cant find the posts where she says forts and nw are godlike and almost unkillable, she posted several of them.

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We might as well give up on responding to ANY of Moghedien points. Its like arguing with a child. A stupid one at that who needs a good kicking off his parents. There is no logic or reson in his posts. They are just full of emotion. He's like a woman when she's flying the red flag.

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As if you argue.... all you do its childish insults.

Did you made a constructive post or even replied to a post i made with meaningfull content ?
NO, so pls stop disguising your immature troll posts as arguing.

Seems that every time you have a different opinion than a poster you say hes immature and childish (I DID read several of your posts in other threads°°)