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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang

That's why I explained in the subsequent post that Superman probably didn't even punch him.

Originally Posted by Kasoh

Deathstroke, who does have superpowers, but is closer to Steve Rogers than Superman has beaten the Flash by knowing where the Flash is going to be and attacking there.

Batman could likely beat any number of other metas in a similar fashion, but usually Superspeeding characters are not used to their full potential, or fan's perception of how useful superspeed is greatly overestimated.

Originally Posted by Dark One

She was bit on the neck and bled out. She wasn't alive at the end, iirc.

Edit - There was Morgan's wife, back when Rick was still in his hometown. They said she was bit, went feverish/sick, died, came back. That's why they were restraining Rick because of his wounds. They thought he was bit.

Originally Posted by Durakken

There are a few times we see Batman and Superman throw down...

The Dark Knight Returns. Neither are in great condition and Superman wants Batman to back down, not to kill him. Batman tries to force Batman to make that decision...Sometime in the middle of it Superman does recognize what the plan is to some degree and puts on the play. Superman wins, though it was the plan.

I don't know what the set up was but Batman and Superman fights in the White House. Not sure how much is a show and how much isn't, but Batman more or less trick Superman into having to slow down or not being able to do everything he can due to historical and national value of the things around him as well as lead lining of the walls and such. They do this to get their hands on the Kryptonite ring Luthor had and more or less it is insinuated that the whole thing is taken as a game to them. Batman wins. but it was the plan.

In HUSH i believe Poison Ivy gets Superman in his control and it's indicated that Supes holds back, but how much is unknown, due to Supes trying to fight the effects. Batman wins by making Superman break the effect. Draw, the effect is broken.

In the latest issue of Superman Batman they two kids talk about it and they listen in... In the end Batman says that it's close to "the" plan, but we all know Batman has multiple plans for every situation... the battle does end in a Draw, both die in the scenario.



Now... the thing with Superman and Batman is that Superman is more or less unwilling to go all the way while Batman is AND you don't know what Batman has planned while Superman you know he has a limited number of things he is going to do. It is possible that Batman has some sort of "Superman Termination" programming built into his suit where he doesn't need to actually survive, but rather just have it trigger due recognizing Superman attacking Batman. After all Batman would see it as If Superman went rogue, to the point he just killed Batman, meaning Supes gave up his morals, it is more important stop Superman at all costs than it is to worry about surviving...Obviously he'd want to survive, but he'd have something to go into effect just in case.

Also you have to realize that with Batman's training he'd be able to predict within a range of events of "if this happens what will it cause." He also has reflexive and faster muscles than normal. So lets say Superman is on the Opposite side of the planet, and New Earth is 4x as big as earth (probably about right for DCU)...and Superman is as fast as light... Batman would have 1/2 a second to react to react to an event that would make Superman go rogue. I know i can hit any where around my body in 1/16 of a second. Batman would likely be at least double as fast as me so 1/32 of second...He'd be able to activate the device 16 times in that situation. So Superman can get 16 times closer before Batman can't react based on Superman's distance alone.

This means Batman will defeat Superman if he knows Superman is going to attack him and Superman is 2500 kilometers away... which in terms of New Earth is roughly if you take the top edge of state of California... the coast to the border of Utah.

However since we know Superman is generally in Metropolis and Batman in Gotham... he has likely 1/25 of that time considering they have to be within 100 km of each other.

So Batman has 1/800 of a second to react in most situations...which is obviously a problem just considering distance and ability to move. However we also know that Batman likely always has an eye on Superman, he likely would react before Superman started to act, and there is no reason to believe that Batman doesn't incorporate some of the Speed Force technology into his suit so it could be that Batman could even the playing field within that amount of time and it really depends on how fast Superman realizes to go after Batman and how fast Batman realizes that Superman has gone rogue.

So despite on the surface it seems obvious that Superman wins the best that would likely happen is a draw

And that is more to do with the fact that Batman isn't gambling like many people think, but rather taking calculated risks and planning around it. That long with immense amount of training allows him to go toe to toe with Superman....that and practically the resources of the most advanced cultures in the Universe... and the respect of and/or hatred of the most powerful beings in the DCU, Spectre, the Entity, Superman, The New Gods.

And lets not forget that if one wanted to they could say that "worship" is something that fuels gods...and we know that Batman, particularly Bruce Wayne inspired the Bat People to worship him as the bat and if we take that to it's logical extent of him being the inspiration and worship of all Bat myths then he should be as powerful as any of the gods ^.^ And the whole "destroying" of Darkseid could elevate him in terms of conceptual powers within the universe...

Originally Posted by Nericus

By all rights, one punch from Superman should kill Batman if Superman isn't holding back. Batman should have been dogmeat after that.

Originally Posted by Rabid_Metroid

Superman holds back. He does it so constantly, I don't think he CAN bring himself to go in with a full force hit right off the bat. He has to build up to it, always trying to find that level of minimal effective force, so he doesn't go around hitting people so hard their heads explode from the impact of his fist.

Originally Posted by Rock_Crag

I lol'd. Dude has such a great sense of humor.

Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang

Actually I think it boils down to the fact that Superman doesn't truly want to beat Batman. Whether out of pity (for Bruce or himself) or respect, Clark doesn't want to beat him down.

About the only time I've seen Superman beat the crap out of Batman in continuity is during the Sacrifice arc, in which Superman thinks he's fighting a member of his rogues gallery that rivals his abilities physically, so Superman was actually trying to kill him, and it was only Wonder Woman's intervention that saved Batman. Even still, Bruce was beat to hell and near death after that confrontation.

Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay

Originally Posted by Zyphoid

I just read that, it was pretty lame. His complaints were all based on similarities with other movies, and it makes me wonder if he has ever read a comic.

Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan

Who is Hal's nerdy friend with glasses supposed to be?

Originally Posted by Jetpack

Really? I remember Hal doing tons of creation of items with the ring back in the 70's and 80's. Pity if they changed that.

Originally Posted by Rush_Bolt

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