Mid_Forever

Desktop wins every time...easy pin with it's extra weight.
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What?! That's not what the thread is about? Oh, nvm then. =(

Necro-posters!

Than I would check there first, since it's as good a place as any, and it sounds like a connection problem while trying to zone into a...erm, zone.

Power cycle the thing and see if that helps. Then move inward (local intranet...your two systems) from there.

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Hi/bye Mid.

[waves]

Miss you kid.

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*hug'zez for teh old man*

(...well, you called me "kid"! )

((be back in another 6 months...maybe less ...but, in the meantime, there's always teh channel that's just sittin' around gathering dust... ))

(((You can haz ur thread baks now, OP )))

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All of these were cribbed from Mid_Forever's post in Zloth's ++ Common Solutions & Posting Guidelines ++ sticky.

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Weee, thanks for the plug! First one...ever!

...oh, OP, yes, good luck with the new system.

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GET RID OF THE DAMN LAG

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GET A REAL COMPUTER

and the aforementioned lag will go away.

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...you mean a PIII based system with 64MB ram and a 11000baud rate isn't considered a 'Monster' PC anymore?!

(sorry, couldn't resist )

((should have left when I said I was))

In other words, read and write speeds are what it's all about. SSD still can't write at the speed it needs to to be competitive in the home/enthusiest market for the price points they are currently at.

...but I'm probably wrong. =P

I'm assuming you two are on the same router/modem/switch/two cans connected by a string, correct?

Whoops, forgot:

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Well for me it's about cable management and not obstructing airflow and nothing to do with performance.

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Well, one could say proper cable management and airflow would have a little to do with performance. =)

(ok, ok, I'm leaving! Yeesh!)

\m/ \m/

Nevermind me, just passing through. Saw memory timings, voltages and FSB talk and got momentarily excited. =)

Yes, yes, FatherX and WolfShadow full of win and awesome...blah blah blah. =P

(Probably get reamed from those who have no idea who I am...and understandably)

((Good luck on the new system, whatever is finnaly decided))

(((Bye byes again)))

Second or third to last edit that I had done before I had posted it last time...but hopefuly only some missing info...and no broken links <crosses fingers>

( Get me quick if you see any blatant errors...only one day to edit )

Here are some useful little proggies I use. I'm sure there are dead links here...but might be useful.

General System Info:

Cpu-Z -
A simple, tiny, 0 footprint application packed with extrordinary amounts of information. No install process. Works on anything and everything. Shows cpu/memory/board/fsb/membus/timings/cpu votage/bios/graphic interface/board revision/cpu stepping/instruction set/cache/clocks/chipset/southbidge. Regularly updated and a very nice forum community (including me).
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

SiSoftSandra Lite (free version) -
This is an all araound program, gives alot of info about your system. Has alot of benchmarking tools. Has a little stress testing. Gives advice on what may or may not be wrong. Will also give advice on how to improve your system hardware wise and settings wise. The main meat of it however, will cost you...and honestly, it's not worth the cash to pay for what some free apps do better. THe free version is pretty good, but no reall need to buy the full version.
http://www.sisoftware.net/index.html?dir=&location=home&langx=en&amp ;a=

DxDiag.exe -
This one you allready have, everyone does. Start menu > Run > Tyoe "dxdiag" (without the quotes) and watch it go. Shows tons of info about system, focusing on drivers and multi media stuffs. Can be exported to a text document to be cut and pasted onto a forum. Allready noted by someone else but ALWAYS worth noting again.

Everest Ultimate Edition -
Shows absolutly everything about your system, but only a 30day trial. In my opinion, this one is actually worth paying for. Benchmarking with comparison charts, stress testing, health, details, advice, temp displays, voltage monitors, much more.
Trial is here : http://www.lavalys.com/products/download.php?ps=UE&lang=en

PCWizard 2008 -
Everything that Everest does....but for free, forever. Also, it's made by the same people who do Cpu-Z. Great prog, probably my favorite all around info application.
http://www.cpuid.com/pcwizard.php

Sysinternals -
Yeah, Microsoft bought them but there's some really good system analysis tools from them. Processor Explorer is a good one, like Windows Task Manager but...better...MUCH better. Lots more little app.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/default.mspx


Temperature Progs:

CoreTemp -
Simple temp monitor. Very small footprint (=very low resource use). Detects Core2Duo temps from on die of each core instead of center of chip. Only works for Core2Duo proccessors though.
http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/

SpeedFan -
Slightly larger then CoreTemp but shows temps for quite a bit, including SMART inabled hard disks, ambient case temp, basically anything your mother board and hard disks have sensors on, but does not show Video Card temps. Works on most proccessors, quite a few Intel and AMD 's. It supports Core2Duo's also, however it shows the old Tm1 (center of bts diode) temperature. It can monitor and change fan speeds provided your mobo supports that feature. Has a simple voltage readout. You can overclock with it but I do not recommend it, not even to experienced OC'rs. Has some info on hard disks, though very technical. Handy temperature graph.
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

Intel(R) Thermal Analysis Tool or TAT -
Genuine Intel program. Show temps from TM2 (on die diode) so will show a seperate temp per core of a Core2Duo. Very simple yet very handy processor stress testing tool. Outputs temperature logging to a simple Text document for easy cutting and pasting to forums (hehe). Sadly, only works for Core2Duo systems. Does not seem to work in Vista or with 4core Intels. BOOO!
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/392/Intel_Thermal_Analysis_Tool.html

Motherboard Monitor 5 or MBM5-
Highly customizable temp monitor. Requires some tech knowledge but it is minimal. Shows voltages, fan speeds, temps, clocks. Can be made to be always on top, transparent (so you can play games with it on), hot keyed, everything. Sadly it not being developed anymore, but it can still be used with a WIDE selection of older motherboards and a few newer ones. This is my favorite monitoring program, simply for it's extraordinary customizability.
http://www.download.com/Motherboard-Monitor/3000-2086_4-10518385.html?tag=lst-0-1


System Cleansing and General Upkeep:

HiJackThis and AdAware have allready been noted so I'll skip those.

Good old Windows Defragmentation tool -
People forget about good old Windows Defragmentation tool. That's not a good thing! Use it, regularly. Defragments you drives.

DiskKeeper -
It's a third party hard drive defragmentation software that's quite a bit more elaborate then the built in Windows one. Allows for different ypes of defragmentation: Boot defrag, MFT defrag, blah blah blah. I bought, I love it, most would say it's not absolutly needed though.
www.diskeeper.com


Video testing and Information:

RivaTuner -
Can be used with almost any vid card. Very non intuitive but VERY comprehensive. Just a TON of stuff to run through. Allows for use with both ATI and NVidia of all generations. This program DEFFENITELY REQUIRES reading through the manual and NO ARBITRARY CLICKING OF OPTIONS. It can break a videocard if you go about mucking with bits you don't understand. Best video detail/OC app I've ever found.
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163


PC Health, Testing, Benching, StressTesting:

PCmark05, 3DMark05/06, etc. -
I'll put these here since the different programs offered by this FutureMark can stress different types of things. Some of FutureMarks products can stress and bench your grahics capability some give give an overall look at your PC's strengths and weaknesses (sp?).
http://www.futuremark.com/download/

BurnInTest -
THis is one great stress testing program. Can stress each and (almost) every peice of you PC seperatly or all at once. Gives good info and can communicate with quite a few temp/voltage monitoring softwares to give an even more complete look at how your system performs at Load/under stress. It does offer a 30day free trial, but I'm all for outright buying it, it's that useful.
http://www.passmark.com/products/bit.htm

Orthos -
Memory, Dual Core cpu, single core cpu, memory+cpu tesing utility.
http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=200

Memtest86+ -
(Cribbed from README)
This is a utility designed to test whether your memory is in working order. It repeatedly writes an enormous amount of different patterns to all memory locations and reads them back again and verifies whether the result of the read is the same as what was written to memory.
There can be a multitude of reasons for running memtest, but foremost of all is of course to test whether your memory modules might be bad. Whenever you suspect your modules to be bad because of system crashes, lockups or reboots it would be nice to know whether the modules are in working order. Memtest86+ is a utility which tries to answer that question for you.
Another common use exists in the overclocking scene. When overclocking a system you are essentially pushing your system to the limits and at some point it will simply give way and break. Unfortunately there isn't a clear cut way of deciding whether a system is still working correctly. Because of the complexity of a computer a system which is pushed to the limits doesn't just break completely when it starts to fail, instead little errors start showing up in many different places in the system growing more frequent and widespread the more the system is pushed. Each one of these little errors can lead to a crash of your system but can also go unnoticed for days or weeks in a running system. The art so to speak of overclocking is thus to push the system as far as it can go without introducing any such errors. As memory is usually one of the first places these such errors start coming up a memory test is very useful.
www.memtest.org

Prime95 -
Another memory testing program (pretty much the same as Orthos), just a little simpler and just as good. Takes a few more clicks to set it up to stress a dual core cpu....but oh well. Not as pretty as Orthos though.
http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm

AquaMark -
Another benchmarking proggie...very low end though...stresses OpenGL more than anything, if I remember correctly.
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=673


Network and Internet testing:

Ping Plotter -
(cribbed from their 'help-me' file) Ping Plotter Freeware is an enhanced graphical trace route program. A "trace route" program uses Ping and ICMP echo requests to trace the route a packet takes between your computer and a final destination. Ping Plotter does this - and throws in multi-threading, enhanced statistics, and a multi-threaded high speed engine.
www.pingplotter.com


FUN STUFF!:

Slax -
(cribbed from their site) Slax is a modern, portable, small and fast Linux operating system with a modular approach and outstanding design. Despite its small size, Slax provides a wide collection of pre-installed software for daily use, including a well organized graphical user interface and useful recovery tools for system administrators.
The modular approach gives you the ability to include any other software in Slax easily. If you're missing your favourite text editor, networking tool or game, simply download a module with the software and copy it to Slax, no need to install, no need to configure.
If you are a beginner or you're just too busy to make it yourself, follow a few steps to build your own customized operating system by using web-based interface here: http://www.slax.org/


MORE STUFFS!:
-HDTach (Check Hard drives) - http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public/index.php?request=HdTach
-PCI32 ( PCI32 http://members.datafast.net.au/dft0802/downloads.htm )
-GCPUID (Vid proggy...kinda like CPU-z) - http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/GCPUID.shtml
-Super PI (memory testing) - http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=36
-HWMonitor (another CPU-z clone - http://www.cpuid.com/hwmonitor.php - In both 32bit and 64bit... )
-Lot sof burnin and testing stuff's here too: http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/browse.php?c=18

Good websites to find Teh Tech Stuffs:
-Random proggies, drivers, and utilities - http://www.guru3d.com/
-Laptop Drivers - http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/

I probably missed a ton of stuff but this is a start....I know there's alot more usefull programs out there, but I'm only one person.

Good Luck!

(P.S. Pardon my spellling and grammer...I know they suck...was VERY tempted to send this to Houtex prior to posting, hehe )

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<--Official Mid_Forever spell checker and... uh... well, I dunno what I'd be for the first part. 'Gender checker' seems a little naughty...

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I know, I know, goofing off in a stickied thread is frowned upon, but...that gave me a real, good laugh!

Thanks Houtie!

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That's perfect Mid!

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Hmm, maybe I'll have to 'Man Up' ( ) and work up the nerve to post it over in your new thread...after I fix any broken links and add a bit to descriptions...not grammer and spelling checking though, it just wouldn't be a Mid Post if there was no grammer or spelling mistakes!

....can I add a General Overclocking Walkthrough too??? PLEASE!!!!!??????!!!!???

(Hehe, J/K about the OC stuffs...I swear )

Also sent this in PM to Zloth. Pick it apart as you see fit if you feel like using any of it in your New thread.

I'm sure there are dead links here...but Might be useful.

You asked in your thread...so I thought I'd pull this out of storage ( ). It's far from complete, and probably some links are dead...but I thought I'd offer it up. I'm no writer....so do what you will if you want.

General System Info:

SiSoftSandra Lite (free version) -
This is an all araound program, gives alot of info about your system. Has alot of benchmarking tools. Has a little stress testing. Gives advice on what may or may not be wrong. Will also give advice on how to improve your system hardware wise and settings wise. The main meat of it however, will cost you...and honestly, it's not worth the cash to pay for what some free apps do better. THe free version is pretty good, but no reall need to buy the full version.
http://www.sisoftware.net/index.html...angx=en&a=

Cpu-Z -
A simple, tiny, 0 footprint application packed with extrordinary amounts of information. No install process. Works on anything and everything. Shows cpu/memory/board/fsb/membus/timings/cpu votage/bios/graphic interface/board revision/cpu stepping/instruction set/cache/clocks/chipset/southbidge. Regularly updated and a very nice forum community.
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

DxDiag.exe -
This one you allready have, everyone does. Start menu > Run > Tyoe "dxdiag" (without the quotes) and watch it go. Shows tons of info about system, focusing on drivers and multi media stuffs. Can be exported to a text document to be cut and pasted onto a forum. Allready noted by someone else but ALWAYS worth noting again.

Everest Ultimate Edition -
Shows absolutly everything about your system, but only a 30day trial. In my opinion, this one is actually worth paying for. Benchmarking with comparison charts, stress testing, health, details, advice, temp displays, voltage monitors, much more.
Trial is here : http://www.lavalys.com/products/down...UE&lang=en

PCWizard 2008 -
Everything that Everest does....but for free, forever. Also, it's made by the same people who do Cpu-Z. Great prog, probably my favorite all around info application.
http://www.cpuid.org/pcwizard

Sysinternals -
Yeah, Microsoft bought them but there's some really good system analysis tools from them. Processor Explorer is a good one, like Windows Task Manager but...better...MUCH better. Lots more little app.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sys...s/default.mspx


Temperature Progs:

CoreTemp -
Simple temp monitor. Very small footprint (=very low resource use). Detects Core2Duo temps from on die of each core instead of center of chip. Only works for Core2Duo proccessors though.
http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...opic.php?t=137

SpeedFan -
Slightly larger then CoreTemp but shows temps for quite a bit, including SMART inabled hard disks, ambient case temp, basically anything your mother board and hard disks have sensors on, but does not show Video Card temps. Works on most proccessors, quite a few Intel and AMD 's. It supports Core2Duo's also, however it shows the old Tm1 (center of bts diode) temperature. It can monitor and change fan speeds provided your mobo supports that feature. Has a simple voltage readout. You can overclock with it but I do not recommend it, not even to experienced OC'rs. Has some info on hard disks, though very technical. Handy temperature graph.
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

Intel(R) Thermal Analysis Tool or TAT -
Genuine Intel program. Show temps from TM2 (on die diode) so will show a seperate temp per core of a Core2Duo. Very simple yet very handy processor stress testing tool. Outputs temperature logging to a simple Text document for easy cutting and pasting to forums (hehe). Sadly, only works for Core2Duo systems.
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads...ysis_Tool.html

Motherboard Monitor 5 or MBM5-
Highly customizable temp monitor. Requires some tech knowledge but it is minimal. Shows voltages, fan speeds, temps, clocks. Can be made to be always on top, transparent (so you can play games with it on), hot keyed, everything. Sadly it not being developed anymore, but it can still be used with a WIDE selection of older motherboards and a few newer ones. This is my favorite monitoring program, simply for it's extraordinary customizability.
http://www.download.com/Motherboard-...ml?tag=lst-0-1


Hardware Health:

Drive Check -

System Cleansing and General Upkeep:

HiJackThis and AdAware have allready been noted so I'll skip those.

Good old Windows Defragmentation tool -
People forget about good old Windows Defragmentation tool. That's not a good thing! Use it, regularly. Defragments you drives.

DiskKeeper -
It's a third party hard drive defragmentation software that's quite a bit more elaborate then the built in Windows one. Allows for different ypes of defragmentation: Boot defrag, MFT defrag, blah blah blah. I bought, I love it, most would say it's not absolutly needed though.
www.diskeeper.com


Video testing and Information:

RivaTuner -
Can be used with almost any vid card. Very non intuitive but VERY comprehensive. Just a TON of stuff to run through. Allows for use with both ATI and NVidia of all generations. This program DEFFENITELY REQUIRES reading through the manual and NO ARBITRARY CLICKING OF OPTIONS. It can break a videocard if you go about mucking with bits you don't understand. Best video OC app I've ever found.
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163


PC Health, Testing, Benching, StressTesting:

PCmark05, 3DMark05/06, etc. -
I'll put these here since the different programs offered by this FutureMark can stress different types of things. Some of FutureMarks products can stress and bench your grahics capability some give give an overall look at your PC's strengths and weaknesses (sp?).
http://www.futuremark.com/download/

BurnInTest -
THis is one great stress testing program. Can stress each and (almost) every peice of you PC seperatly or all at once. Gives good info and can communicate with quite a few temp/voltage monitoring softwares to give an even more complete look at how your system performs at Load/under stress. It does offer a 30day free trial, but I'm all for outright buying it, it's that useful.
http://www.passmark.com/products/bit.htm

Orthos -
Memory, Dual Core cpu, single core cpu, memory+cpu tesing utility.
http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=200

Memtest86+ -
(Cribbed from README)
This is a utility designed to test whether your memory is in working order. It repeatedly writes an enormous amount of different patterns to all memory locations and reads them back again and verifies whether the result of the read is the same as what was written to memory.
There can be a multitude of reasons for running memtest, but foremost of all is of course to test whether your memory modules might be bad. Whenever you suspect your modules to be bad because of system crashes, lockups or reboots it would be nice to know whether the modules are in working order. Memtest86+ is a utility which tries to answer that question for you.
Another common use exists in the overclocking scene. When overclocking a system you are essentially pushing your system to the limits and at some point it will simply give way and break. Unfortunately there isn't a clear cut way of deciding whether a system is still working correctly. Because of the complexity of a computer a system which is pushed to the limits doesn't just break completely when it starts to fail, instead little errors start showing up in many different places in the system growing more frequent and widespread the more the system is pushed. Each one of these little errors can lead to a crash of your system but can also go unnoticed for days or weeks in a running system. The art so to speak of overclocking is thus to push the system as far as it can go without introducing any such errors. As memory is usually one of the first places these such errors start coming up a memory test is very useful.
www.memtest.org

Prime95 -
Another memory testing program (pretty much the same as Orthos), just a little simpler and just as good. Takes a few more clicks to set it up to stress a dual core cpu....but oh well. Not as pretty as Orthos though.
http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm

AquaMark -


Network and Internet testing:

Ping Plotter -
(cribbed from their 'help-me' file) Ping Plotter Freeware is an enhanced graphical trace route program. A "trace route" program uses Ping and ICMP echo requests to trace the route a packet takes between your computer and a final destination. Ping Plotter does this - and throws in multi-threading, enhanced statistics, and a multi-threaded high speed engine.
www.pingplotter.com

MORE STUFF!:
-HDTach (Check Hard drives)
-BurnInTest (Checks EVERYTHING)
-PCI32 ( PCI32 http://members.datafast.net.au/dft0802/downloads.htm )
-GCPUID (Vid proggy...kinda like CPU-z)
-Super PI
-HWMonitor (another CPU-z clone)

I probably missed a ton of stuff but this is a start....I know there's alot more usefull programs out there, but I'm only one person.

Good Luck!

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O.o

People change driver settings while a game is running?

zounds.

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Yeah, that is kinda a wierd note, but sometimes it's just not obvious.....sorta like the names for some of the nVidia settings recently being talked about on these here forums.

I've caught my husband doing it more than once....changing the settings while in game, that is.

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dev diaries are marketing?

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They are a carrot to dangle in front of us to make us want i12.

Thus, marketing.

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And it's good marketing too.....Coralax in the Hollows FTW!

w00t!

Not much to say but......LMAO!

(Somehow.....I doubt BillZ will show up in that other thread.....I think he's on to them [the devs, forum mods or ATI themselves...take your pick] and their schems to slowly drive him insane....and the quicker he gets that NVidia 8800gts, the quicker we get him on the road to recovery )

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Hrm.. *rubs chin* with a console version of CoH I wouldn't have to worry about the dialogue box popping up asking for "wut happened!?" when CoH crashes when I zone into Talos...

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I know I really shouldn't...but I have to lol at this comment.

/QFT*

*Realizes I do NOT have many problems running the game myself, but I frequent the Tech Forums enough to know that it can be VERY dificult to get things to work well sometimes.

(Nope, not gunna bash any consoles today.....don't feel like getting into that argument again....don't care enough to really invest the time to do the research to back up any comments I may make)

((I want it on the Wii! I'd love to be able to fly around suing the Wiimote....without following some YouTube tutorial to get it to work on a PC))

Sorry.

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Every new game I purchased in 2007 had the Nvidia logo on it.

That should tell us all something.

Gah, nevermind. I'm not going into this again. I failed for three years trying to get NCSoft/Cryptic to do SOMETHING about their very pretty but incredibly incompatible and flakey graphics engine.

Someone else can run that road.

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HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU SAY YOU "FAILED"!!!???

You continued to support ATI cards on these forums for a heckuva long time!!! THEY "failed", by letting a USER, a PLAYER, support there game!!! We ALL support different parts of this game and often, MORE than often, prevail when NCSoft suupport "failed".

Funky-A man! You "failed"?? My [censored].

YAY COV!!! Happy birthday (a day late, sorry, was busy taken the little one Trick or Treating)

(After reading through this thread, I feel that there are some people who exist in this community who are totaly without a nice bone in their bodies It's a birthday!! Just say something nice and leave the other whiney baby carp for one of the 'zillion other 'I hate PPP's' or 'Where are my Epic's' threads )

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So... if we can only create a door to the Ouroboros Citadel after we've been exposed to time travel, and we can only time travel by going to the Ouroboros Citadel, how do we get exposed to time travel in the first place?

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*head aspolodes*

time paradox anyone?

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WooT, new contact (or old contact with new story arc attached) and new story arc to introduce you to the Ouroboros! YAY!

(For the people who whined about the 'Rikti Invasion' being rehashed content.....this is gunna give 'em heartattacks )

Well, I'm quite happy with my Vet Pet. Also, happy with the all the Vet respecs. Nice base accessories. The nice, shiny, badges are cool too...can never have enough badges.

Whether you want to call them 'awards' or 'rewards' (both mean pretty much the same thing in this context), I still like most of the later ones just as much as the "useful" ones you are reffering to.

Well, except the boxing gloves...I'll /sign that part.....and the costume tokens have gotten a bit out of hand

Maybe I'm missing the point of your post? <shrug> Are you saying you would like more powers or something? Pretty sure more powers would unbalance the game quite a bit.....I'd hate to be nerfed simply because I've played for a few more months than others. Or maybe you're asking for something else? Yeah, you're post is not making much sense to me. Sorry

Would I be happy if a future vet reward/award was a vehical travel power? HECK YES!!! Basically anything the devs will put out as a vet whatever, I'll look forward to....I like getting new stuff for simply playing a game I like....makes playing the game even more of a 'rewarding' experience to participate in.

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Really enjoying this parallel dimension stuff. In fact, with this pre-I11 hype, I'm finding myself getting more into the mythology of Co* than ever before.

Good work, team!

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Everything this guy said.

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Me four!